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In reply to packgrad • 10:24p, 12/8/20
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Sounds like Civilized was correct to me. He mentioned bars. So it's also Restaurants and gyms. Retail stuff. Which is typically not open past 10 anyway.
Grocery stores will still be open. Gas stations will still be open. So it's not a straight-up curfew it's only a partial curfew


I'm guessing you didn't read the order. It is a curfew, as the OP said.

Are there exceptions, as with the first stay at home order?


Yes. Professional and college sports are safe, amongst others. But small business is not.
See my edit. It's not a full-on curfew. Loads of exceptions.

Plus this:

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Are there any exceptions to the modified Stay at Home Order?

Yes. Individuals may leave home during the Stay at Home Period to: travel to or from a place of work; perform work at their workplace when the worker's presence is required by the worker's employer; travel for work purposes; obtain food, medical care, fuel, or social services; travel from a business that closed at or after 10 p.m.; travel to a business that will open at 5 a.m.; travel to take care of a family member, friend or pet in another household; travel to or from a religious service; travel necessary for personal safety; and travel into or out of the state.


Ok. Then there's never been a lockdown or curfew since this started.
Not for me. I'm "essential" I've never stopped working


As have I from day one. The point remains that a curfew was established.
Ok, point technically conceded.

My point is, with all the "exceptions", is it really a curfew? If you want to leave your house, you just say you're going to the grocery or Wendy's. Or the gas station.
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In reply to Pacfanweb • 10:28p, 12/8/20
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Sounds like Civilized was correct to me. He mentioned bars. So it's also Restaurants and gyms. Retail stuff. Which is typically not open past 10 anyway.
Grocery stores will still be open. Gas stations will still be open. So it's not a straight-up curfew it's only a partial curfew


I'm guessing you didn't read the order. It is a curfew, as the OP said.

Are there exceptions, as with the first stay at home order?


Yes. Professional and college sports are safe, amongst others. But small business is not.
See my edit. It's not a full-on curfew. Loads of exceptions.

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Are there any exceptions to the modified Stay at Home Order?

Yes. Individuals may leave home during the Stay at Home Period to: travel to or from a place of work; perform work at their workplace when the worker's presence is required by the worker's employer; travel for work purposes; obtain food, medical care, fuel, or social services; travel from a business that closed at or after 10 p.m.; travel to a business that will open at 5 a.m.; travel to take care of a family member, friend or pet in another household; travel to or from a religious service; travel necessary for personal safety; and travel into or out of the state.


Ok. Then there's never been a lockdown or curfew since this started.
Not for me. I'm "essential" I've never stopped working


As have I from day one. The point remains that a curfew was established.
Ok, point technically conceded.

My point is, with all the "exceptions", is it really a curfew? If you want to leave your house, you just say you're going to the grocery or Wendy's. Or the gas station.


Yep. Like Wayland said, it's theater.

To me it's infuriating though the way we continue to stoke the flames of fear unnecessarily. This does nothing but continue to scare people. And scare people from going to places other than their chain supermarket and hardware store. And liquor store.
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10:34p, 12/8/20
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In reply to Mormad • 10:54p, 12/8/20
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http://send.docwirenews.com/link.cfm?r=ctC7D29ePbhEhi4zMu6NrQ~~&pe=7ZYf5-KqHJqHsK9UbbwmPVrfUASezjIwHoQvU8gn0nTHsXjLIy8Nlc0OMgVCw1_nv9v6PTV2fZyg60cNyjTw3g~~&t=MOa9SXjyLwOCpVdaWqoG6w~~
Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link. I thought the following quote summed up people's attitudes perfectly:

"Some of the things they're telling you not to do are incredibly low-risk," Oster said. "When you are so strict about what people can do, they stop listening."
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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 11:03p, 12/8/20
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Mormad said:
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Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link. I thought the following quote summed up people's attitudes perfectly:

"Some of the things they're telling you not to do are incredibly low-risk," Oster said. "When you are so strict about what people can do, they stop listening."
Truth.

If they didn't treat the people like morons, they might listen. And honestly, lots of people ARE morons, but the ones that aren't are going to bow up at nonsensical restrictions, and then you might as well not have any restrictions.
Treat people like they have some sense, act like YOU have some sense, Roy, and this would go much better.
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In reply to griff17matt • 6:06a, 12/9/20
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Anyone on here a part of the Johnston County School Board so I can tell you directly what a worthless ****heel you are? Every failure from this generation of school aged children falls directly at your stupid God damned feet and I wouldn't stop to piss on any of you if you were on fire.
I am sorry.

I can only shake my head that a school board would take such a position of ignorance so late into this. Schools need to be open and in person....
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6:31a, 12/9/20
Democrats are for main street? My ###. They are destroying main street all over this country, and Cooper has a direct hand in it.

Boy, the yankees that keep moving here are going to love it when we raise taxes to pay for these shutdowns.
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In reply to Wayland • 6:58a, 12/9/20
Wayland said:
griff17matt said:
Anyone on here a part of the Johnston County School Board so I can tell you directly what a worthless ****heel you are? Every failure from this generation of school aged children falls directly at your stupid God damned feet and I wouldn't stop to piss on any of you if you were on fire.
I am sorry.

I can only shake my head that a school board would take such a position of ignorance so late into this. Schools need to be open and in person....


I can't speak for Johnston County, but in our county we just went back to remote learning starting next week. The reason why is staffing. They had so many teachers out due to the virus, other teachers had 2-3 classes each. They are trying to hire substitute teachers like crazy, but no one is signing up. Not sure if Johnston has similar issues, but just wanted to offer up a possible explanation as to why they may feel they have to go remote.
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In reply to Pacfanweb • 7:02a, 12/9/20
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Ok, point technically conceded.

My point is, with all the "exceptions", is it really a curfew? If you want to leave your house, you just say you're going to the grocery or Wendy's. Or the gas station.

Yep, this was the spirit of my original post. I didn't see Cooper laying down an early curfew that truly impacted many/any establishments other than bars (and restaurants that essentially turn into bars late-night).

Implementing a 10 PM "curfew" that has many exceptions is essentially restricting bars. No other non-essential retail businesses are open that late.

Cooper's comments about large(r) gatherings at these establishments the later the night gets echoes that. What establishments other than bars have increasingly large crowds after 10 PM?
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In reply to GrillOut • 7:28a, 12/9/20
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Democrats are for main street? My ###. They are destroying main street all over this country, and Cooper has a direct hand in it.

Boy, the yankees that keep moving here are going to love it when we raise taxes to pay for these shutdowns.
And as a Southerner, I will keep moving South. I have many friends from the North; however, the majority have been and will continue bringing their ideology with them.

It's funny, Northerners move away from the **** holes and bring the **** hole ideas with them.
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

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In reply to Civilized • 8:15a, 12/9/20
Again from Davie's post on the previous page:

# of reported clusters:
Brewery/Bar = 3

Total Cluster Associated Cases:
Brewery/Bar = 14

Total Cluster Associated Deaths:
Brewery/Bar = 0

1. These are from since March BTW.
2. And I think someone else said none in the last two (2) months.

But yes, those large gatherings at "Bars" late at night are really pumping our numbers up!
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In reply to TheStorm • 8:48a, 12/9/20
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Again from Davie's post on the previous page:

# of reported clusters:
Brewery/Bar = 3

Total Cluster Associated Cases:
Brewery/Bar = 14

Total Cluster Associated Deaths:
Brewery/Bar = 0

1. These are from since March BTW.
2. And I think someone else said none in the last two (2) months.

But yes, those large gatherings at "Bars" late at night are really pumping our numbers up!

I don't know why you're directing this at me.

I was hypothesizing about what I thought Cooper was going to do, not what he should do.
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9:00a, 12/9/20
All that latest order does is hurt restaurants/ bars even more. So more crushing of small businesses. Which is the point by the way.

Posters have already pointed out that large outbreaks haven't been traced to these places. People that go out for nightlife will probably just end up going over to someone's house and if there's virus to spread it spreads regardless. We are having the worst spread right now and no one knows why and we can't stop it. But instead of honesty our leaders like Cooper would rather do a useless order like this so they can make the public think that they are doing something about the spread when in reality a guy like Cooper doesn't give a damn about anybody but the powerful backers who line his coffers.

He has made himself a king in this crisis. He has gone outside the confines of the US and NC constitution and has absolute power. The founders would declare him a tyrant and demand we go to war to overthrow him. The legislature isn't stopping him, the courts won't stop him. I'm not advocating for violence or war but I'm just telling it like it is... what the country was founded on is basically gone and if the men who founded it were here right now they wouldn't be *****ing on a message board, they'd be loading their muskets.
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In reply to ncsualum05 • 9:05a, 12/9/20
It sounds like the largest spreader is Churches and family gatherings. Nothing he can about churches at this point since the Supreme Court ruled against NY, and families are going to do what they want as well. These are some of the only levers he can pull, even though I don't think they will be productive.

Charlotte schools just decided to go back to all virtual starting next week through 1/15/2021, assuming they want to prevent children coming back after having traveled or being with extended family during holidays.
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In reply to statefan91 • 9:21a, 12/9/20
The end game for POS governors like Cooper and Whitmeyer is to make the business owners dependent upon help from the government. They are playing socialist politics bordering on communism tactics. If the businesses are beholden to the government and are able to stay in business ONLY because of the government then the people in power have secured a voting base. Tell me why you can have thousands protesting for days on end and that's OK. But, you can't have people in a bar distancing and it's a "super spreader." It's all about the lefties and their need for power. God I hope that Georgia saves this country. Idiots that support Cooper and his ilk should move to California or New York where freedom and free will are already gone.
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9:23a, 12/9/20
Curfews are just the beginning. It's just the "warm up", to condition people to accepting increasing levels of tyranny. Next will come more severe travel restrictions. First, they will ban citizens from other states from entering the state of North Carolina, unless they have had a recent test done or quarantine for 14 days. Months from now, they could expand that to NC citizens not being able to travel to other counties, with those same restrictions.

Then will come mandatory contact tracing, with you being required to give your name and address or phone number whenever you visit a business, church, etc.

These things are already being done in other states.

Then, months down the road, they plan to then FORCIBLY take people to quarantine facilities on the pretext of the contact tracing.

None of this has ANYTHING to do with stopping a cold virus. This is all about laying the groundwork for a tyrannical (communist) takeover.
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12:38p, 12/9/20
Is it true that only 3,500 Americans under 40 have died this year?

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12:59p, 12/9/20
COVID19=influenza killer. Down 93% with almost twice as many tests. Make it make sense.

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In reply to Colonel Armstrong • 1:00p, 12/9/20
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Is it true that only 3,500 Americans under 40 have died this year?

The number seems low to me for a national number, but it might be accurate. In North Carolina, NCDHHS reports that 217 people under the age of 50 have died from Covid-19. Deaths in this age group constitute 4% of all Covid-19 deaths in NC. The case fatality rate (CFR) for all people under the age of 50 in NC is 0.08% (217 deaths/262,754 cases).

Compare this to people 75 years old and older. For this age group, NCDHHS reports 3,280 people have died due to Covid-19. If you calculate the CFR for this age group, you will find it is 12.3% (3,280 deaths/26,699 cases). Currently, 59% of the deaths in NC are from this age group. This is a key reason why you continue to see over half of the deaths in NC coming from nursing homes and other congregate facilities.
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1:19p, 12/9/20
Kids daycare called and said the 2 yr old's room had a confirmed case and has to close down for two weeks. 5 yr old's room isn't affected so they're able to stay open. Really ****ing sucks.

Getting tested on Saturday.
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In reply to statefan91 • 1:32p, 12/9/20
statefan91 said:
Kids daycare called and said the 2 yr old's room had a confirmed case and has to close down for two weeks. 5 yr old's room isn't affected so they're able to stay open. Really ****ing sucks.

Getting tested on Saturday.
My wife's school is still doing the 2 weeks standard as well. They are also apparently unaware of the latest CDC recommendations. Fortunately though, they haven't had any classes shut down.
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In reply to packgrad • 1:36p, 12/9/20
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statefan91 said:
Kids daycare called and said the 2 yr old's room had a confirmed case and has to close down for two weeks. 5 yr old's room isn't affected so they're able to stay open. Really ****ing sucks.

Getting tested on Saturday.
My wife's school is still doing the 2 weeks standard as well. They are also apparently unaware of the latest CDC recommendations. Fortunately though, they haven't had any classes shut down.
Yeah I asked the Director of the daycare and she said the State advisor told her the date she could reopen the room.
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In reply to statefan91 • 1:42p, 12/9/20
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packgrad said:
statefan91 said:
Kids daycare called and said the 2 yr old's room had a confirmed case and has to close down for two weeks. 5 yr old's room isn't affected so they're able to stay open. Really ****ing sucks.

Getting tested on Saturday.
My wife's school is still doing the 2 weeks standard as well. They are also apparently unaware of the latest CDC recommendations. Fortunately though, they haven't had any classes shut down.
Yeah I asked the Director of the daycare and she said the State advisor told her the date she could reopen the room.
At my wife's school (maybe the whole county. I do not know), the employees' still get paid without having to take annual leave, or sick leave, if they are told they have to be home for 2 weeks. Not that I disagree with that. The employees can't control the mandatory time off. Shockingly, nobody has disputed the PTO.

My wife has had quite a stressful year so far. I'm sure she wouldn't object to some contact tracing PTO right about now.
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In reply to Steve Williams • 1:57p, 12/9/20
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Steve Williams said:
Davie- curious if anyone tracks the number of tests administered per day... not + or - but total tests.
Yes, NCDHHS provides a daily view of testing. The testing numbers are for both PCR tests and antigen tests conducted. It does not provide tests by the date the test was administered, so these are aggregated numbers. They are the closest we have though for the daily tests administered. NCDHHS will publish an initial count for a day and they will adjust this number over the following days. Almost every time, the adjustment is upward. They also adjust the daily reported percent positive over the course of several days, so no one should go with the initial percent positive reported.

Is there something specific you are wanting to understand about the testing information?
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In reply to statefan91 • 2:00p, 12/9/20
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statefan91 said:
Kids daycare called and said the 2 yr old's room had a confirmed case and has to close down for two weeks. 5 yr old's room isn't affected so they're able to stay open. Really ****ing sucks.

Getting tested on Saturday.
This is not based on the latest CDC guidelines. I know for a fact that college programs have now adjusted to the new guidelines. Previously, for contact tracing it was an automatic 14 days of quarantine for those players subject to contact trace quarantine. Some schools have now gone to a 7 day contact trace quarantine, assuming the player in contact trace quarantine never shows symptoms and they test negative at the end of the 7 days.
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In reply to Daviewolf83 • 2:13p, 12/9/20
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Steve Williams said:
Davie- curious if anyone tracks the number of tests administered per day... not + or - but total tests.
Yes, NCDHHS provides a daily view of testing. The testing numbers are for both PCR tests and antigen tests conducted. It does not provide tests by the date the test was administered, so these are aggregated numbers. They are the closest we have though for the daily tests administered. NCDHHS will publish an initial count for a day and they will adjust this number over the following days. Almost every time, the adjustment is upward. They also adjust the daily reported percent positive over the course of several days, so no one should go with the initial percent positive reported.

Is there something specific you are wanting to understand about the testing information?
There just seems to be huge this huge push for testing and certainly it may be warranted. I know at one point in Wake Forest they were giving away free food if you'd come get tested. I'm interested to see how testing numbers now compare to say, six months from now. Wasn't sure if there was somewhere to track the info.
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In reply to Steve Williams • 2:57p, 12/9/20
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Steve Williams said:
Daviewolf83 said:
Steve Williams said:
Davie- curious if anyone tracks the number of tests administered per day... not + or - but total tests.
Yes, NCDHHS provides a daily view of testing. The testing numbers are for both PCR tests and antigen tests conducted. It does not provide tests by the date the test was administered, so these are aggregated numbers. They are the closest we have though for the daily tests administered. NCDHHS will publish an initial count for a day and they will adjust this number over the following days. Almost every time, the adjustment is upward. They also adjust the daily reported percent positive over the course of several days, so no one should go with the initial percent positive reported.

Is there something specific you are wanting to understand about the testing information?
There just seems to be huge this huge push for testing and certainly it may be warranted. I know at one point in Wake Forest they were giving away free food if you'd come get tested. I'm interested to see how testing numbers now compare to say, six months from now. Wasn't sure if there was somewhere to track the info.
Below is a graph that shows the daily testing numbers versus the daily percent positive. I included daily percent positive, since it is a better metric than daily positive tests. With increasing daily percent positives, we really need to see more testing.

Leading up to the Thanksgiving holiday, you saw a big emphasis on getting tested. People were traveling or having visitors and wanted to feel better about traveling. It was really a false sense of security, but it did help in identifying people who should not be traveling or hosting visitors. With the pending Christmas holiday, you will definitely see an increased emphasis on testing before people travel.

With the increases in percent positive in many of the rural counties in NC, this is where testing really needs to be focused. In some cases, the percent positives are in the upper teens and lower twenties. In those counties, they really must test more. Percent positives in those counties at those levels indicate the counties are not testing enough.



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3:22p, 12/9/20
I am looking for the age breakdown for under 40.

For all 34 and under it is 2351 so far.

35-44 is 4771. So split that in half and added to 2351 and you get 4500 under 40 *WITH* COVID.

Seems about right.


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In reply to Wayland • 3:47p, 12/9/20
Does that also include the co-morbidity cases or all these 100% Covid related? I mean, some of the stories about hospitals, nursing homes etc... claiming Covid deaths are real and legit. Car wrecks, motorcycle accidents, cancer, pneumonia all have been attributed to Covid. It's real...but the fact is that it isn't as bad for the general population as it has been made out to be. This was another attempt to derail President Trump and it worked. Again, democrats will do anything for power. Pathetic lot they are.
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In reply to BBW12OG • 4:03p, 12/9/20
BBW12OG said:
Does that also include the co-morbidity cases or all these 100% Covid related? I mean, some of the stories about hospitals, nursing homes etc... claiming Covid deaths are real and legit. Car wrecks, motorcycle accidents, cancer, pneumonia all have been attributed to Covid. It's real...but the fact is that it isn't as bad for the general population as it has been made out to be. This was another attempt to derail President Trump and it worked. Again, democrats will do anything for power. Pathetic lot they are.

So now that Trump has been derailed, what's the motivation to continue reporting COVID metrics the same as before, to implement new lockdowns, etc.?

Trump lost. He'll be gone in January.

If the liberal/Democrat approach to COVID was purely political opportunism, wouldn't it have softened or morphed once Trump got voted out?
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In reply to BBW12OG • 4:25p, 12/9/20
BBW12OG said:
Does that also include the co-morbidity cases or all these 100% Covid related? I mean, some of the stories about hospitals, nursing homes etc... claiming Covid deaths are real and legit. Car wrecks, motorcycle accidents, cancer, pneumonia all have been attributed to Covid. It's real...but the fact is that it isn't as bad for the general population as it has been made out to be. This was another attempt to derail President Trump and it worked. Again, democrats will do anything for power. Pathetic lot they are.
COVID is a virus which can cause pneumonia, so might want to remove that one from your list.
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4:28p, 12/9/20
Both of my daughters go to school at High Point University. They have always had in person classes. The amount of COVID cases has been minimal and handled properly by the school.

They took the stance of, let's do normal classes and deal with any issues. They have been extremely successful!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

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In reply to Civilized • 4:30p, 12/9/20
Civilized said:
BBW12OG said:
Does that also include the co-morbidity cases or all these 100% Covid related? I mean, some of the stories about hospitals, nursing homes etc... claiming Covid deaths are real and legit. Car wrecks, motorcycle accidents, cancer, pneumonia all have been attributed to Covid. It's real...but the fact is that it isn't as bad for the general population as it has been made out to be. This was another attempt to derail President Trump and it worked. Again, democrats will do anything for power. Pathetic lot they are.

So now that Trump has been derailed, what's the motivation to continue reporting COVID metrics the same as before, to implement new lockdowns, etc.?

Trump lost. He'll be gone in January.

If the liberal/Democrat approach to COVID was purely political opportunism, wouldn't it have softened or morphed once Trump got voted out?
The only thing I can think of is he hasn't been legally voted out yet...
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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In reply to caryking • 4:51p, 12/9/20
caryking said:
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Does that also include the co-morbidity cases or all these 100% Covid related? I mean, some of the stories about hospitals, nursing homes etc... claiming Covid deaths are real and legit. Car wrecks, motorcycle accidents, cancer, pneumonia all have been attributed to Covid. It's real...but the fact is that it isn't as bad for the general population as it has been made out to be. This was another attempt to derail President Trump and it worked. Again, democrats will do anything for power. Pathetic lot they are.

So now that Trump has been derailed, what's the motivation to continue reporting COVID metrics the same as before, to implement new lockdowns, etc.?

Trump lost. He'll be gone in January.

If the liberal/Democrat approach to COVID was purely political opportunism, wouldn't it have softened or morphed once Trump got voted out?
The only thing I can think of is he hasn't been legally voted out yet...

No matter what though we're not doing the election over. There's zero reason for dems to posture politically on Corona in the month immediately following the only election we're going to have.
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11:10p, 12/9/20
For any single reason, December 9. 2020 was the 3rd most deadly day in US history.

#1 Galveston Hurricane of 1900 - 8000
#2 Antietam - Sept. 17, 1862 - 3650 (us Southerners called the battle Sharpsburg)
#3 Covid -19 - Dec. 9, 2020 over 3,000
#4 San. Fran. earthquake 1909 - 3,000
#5 - Sept. 11, 2001 - 2997
#6-9 - Covid-19 days
#10 - Pearl Harbor - 2403



Covid -19 passed the number of American deaths in WWII on Dec. 9, 2020 - just over 9 months
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