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PackBacker07
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It obviously doesn't matter to a lot here, unfortunately.

Y'all means ALL.
packgrad
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PackBacker07 said:

It obviously doesn't matter to a lot here, unfortunately.


Your virtue signaling game is strong here.
PackBacker07
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Thank you for the inanity.
Y'all means ALL.
caryking
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and you want to know why, people like me, have distrust in our institutions...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/cornell-vaccine-mandate-only-applies-to-white-students/

On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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PackBacker07 said:

Thank you for the inanity.


You're welcome. Thank you for caring.
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caryking said:

and you want to know why, people like me, have distrust in our institutions...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/cornell-vaccine-mandate-only-applies-to-white-students/


Oh my.
BBW12OG
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I would be curious to see just how many deaths are actually from Covid 19. We will NEVER know the true number. Also, since I'm certain for the last 47 years of my life, or at least the years I can remember, this is Flu season. Any word on if Flu season has been cancelled due to Covid 19? Sure as hell haven't heard anything about it this year. Guess with all the posturing, fear mongering and demands from the DNC run media that we must obey all orders from our leaders that the Flu has miraculously been cured. Anyway, you slap happy's keep up the good work trying to turn this country into your socialist utopia.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-many-people-die-each-day/

Why don't some of "science based lefties" read this. Tell me exactly why Covid 19 is such major issue that we have to shut the entire country down? Places like Michigan have been shutdown for the most part since March and they are just as bad off or worse off than places that have been open. It's all in the reporting and who is in charge of the Governor's office. FACT.
BBW12OG
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caryking said:

and you want to know why, people like me, have distrust in our institutions...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/cornell-vaccine-mandate-only-applies-to-white-students/


Yep... this is exactly what the left has planned. May as well start a "white Conservative Christian tax" and be done with it. If they ever get absolute power in the Government the laws and changes they will try to institute will lead to the downfall of this country. And that is not hyperbole. It's the facts.
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BBW12OG said:

I would be curious to see just how many deaths are actually from Covid 19. We will NEVER know the true number. Also, since I'm certain for the last 47 years of my life, or at least the years I can remember, this is Flu season. Any word on if Flu season has been cancelled due to Covid 19? Sure as hell haven't heard anything about it this year. Guess with all the posturing, fear mongering and demands from the DNC run media that we must obey all orders from our leaders that the Flu has miraculously been cured. Anyway, you slap happy's keep up the good work trying to turn this country into your socialist utopia.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-many-people-die-each-day/

Why don't some of "science based lefties" read this. Tell me exactly why Covid 19 is such major issue that we have to shut the entire country down? Places like Michigan have been shutdown for the most part since March and they are just as bad off or worse off than places that have been open. It's all in the reporting and who is in charge of the Governor's office. FACT.
It's all just a bad cold; there is no such thing as the flu or Covid-19. Dah

That's why I don't trust the flu shot; China is injecting bits of data into my body and the US is in on it.
ciscopack
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ciscopack said:

For any single reason, December 9. 2020 was the 3rd most deadly day in US history.

#1 Galveston Hurricane of 1900 - 8000
#2 Antietam - Sept. 17, 1862 - 3650 (us Southerners called the battle Sharpsburg)
#3 Covid -19 - Dec. 9, 2020 over 3,000
#4 San. Fran. earthquake 1909 - 3,000
#5 - Sept. 11, 2001 - 2997
#6-9 - Covid-19 days
#10 - Pearl Harbor - 2403



Covid -19 passed the number of American deaths in WWII on Dec. 9, 2020 - just over 9 months







US Deaths -

World War II
1941 - 1945
291,557

Covid - 19
Feb. 29, 2020 thru Dec. 9, 2020
~297,173
caryking
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ciscopack said:

BBW12OG said:

I would be curious to see just how many deaths are actually from Covid 19. We will NEVER know the true number. Also, since I'm certain for the last 47 years of my life, or at least the years I can remember, this is Flu season. Any word on if Flu season has been cancelled due to Covid 19? Sure as hell haven't heard anything about it this year. Guess with all the posturing, fear mongering and demands from the DNC run media that we must obey all orders from our leaders that the Flu has miraculously been cured. Anyway, you slap happy's keep up the good work trying to turn this country into your socialist utopia.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-many-people-die-each-day/

Why don't some of "science based lefties" read this. Tell me exactly why Covid 19 is such major issue that we have to shut the entire country down? Places like Michigan have been shutdown for the most part since March and they are just as bad off or worse off than places that have been open. It's all in the reporting and who is in charge of the Governor's office. FACT.
It's all just a bad cold; there is no such thing as the flu or Covid-19. Dah
Cisco, I don't about know anybody else; however, I believe the COVID pandemic is real! This is not a conspiracy! That being said, I have a completely different outlook on life and government than, perhaps you.

I believe in people making decisions on their own and not coerced by the government, in any way. Sometimes the government coerces us in ways we don't even recognize. That, in my opinion, is scary as Hell!!!

George Orwell would be smiling if he were still alive...
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
ciscopack
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caryking said:

ciscopack said:

BBW12OG said:

I would be curious to see just how many deaths are actually from Covid 19. We will NEVER know the true number. Also, since I'm certain for the last 47 years of my life, or at least the years I can remember, this is Flu season. Any word on if Flu season has been cancelled due to Covid 19? Sure as hell haven't heard anything about it this year. Guess with all the posturing, fear mongering and demands from the DNC run media that we must obey all orders from our leaders that the Flu has miraculously been cured. Anyway, you slap happy's keep up the good work trying to turn this country into your socialist utopia.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-many-people-die-each-day/

Why don't some of "science based lefties" read this. Tell me exactly why Covid 19 is such major issue that we have to shut the entire country down? Places like Michigan have been shutdown for the most part since March and they are just as bad off or worse off than places that have been open. It's all in the reporting and who is in charge of the Governor's office. FACT.
It's all just a bad cold; there is no such thing as the flu or Covid-19. Dah
Cisco, I don't about know anybody else; however, I believe the COVID pandemic is real! This is not a conspiracy! That being said, I have a completely different outlook on life and government than, perhaps you.

I believe in people making decisions on their own and not coerced by the government, in any way. Sometimes the government coerces us in ways we don't even recognize. That, in my opinion, is scary as Hell!!!

George Orwell would be smiling if he were still alive...
Idiot in charge, where is he? At another mask-less rally....listen to his preaching. I'm going to send him $1000 today so he can keep fighting (lmao).
wilmwolf
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Dear God, are there not enough threads on this message board for you guys to infect with politics and crazy ass *****
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
BBW12OG
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ciscopack said:

caryking said:

ciscopack said:

BBW12OG said:

I would be curious to see just how many deaths are actually from Covid 19. We will NEVER know the true number. Also, since I'm certain for the last 47 years of my life, or at least the years I can remember, this is Flu season. Any word on if Flu season has been cancelled due to Covid 19? Sure as hell haven't heard anything about it this year. Guess with all the posturing, fear mongering and demands from the DNC run media that we must obey all orders from our leaders that the Flu has miraculously been cured. Anyway, you slap happy's keep up the good work trying to turn this country into your socialist utopia.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-many-people-die-each-day/

Why don't some of "science based lefties" read this. Tell me exactly why Covid 19 is such major issue that we have to shut the entire country down? Places like Michigan have been shutdown for the most part since March and they are just as bad off or worse off than places that have been open. It's all in the reporting and who is in charge of the Governor's office. FACT.
It's all just a bad cold; there is no such thing as the flu or Covid-19. Dah
Cisco, I don't about know anybody else; however, I believe the COVID pandemic is real! This is not a conspiracy! That being said, I have a completely different outlook on life and government than, perhaps you.

I believe in people making decisions on their own and not coerced by the government, in any way. Sometimes the government coerces us in ways we don't even recognize. That, in my opinion, is scary as Hell!!!

George Orwell would be smiling if he were still alive...
Idiot in charge, where is he? At another mask-less rally....listen to his preaching. I'm going to send him $1000 today so he can keep fighting (lmao).
You said you don't know who Eric Swalwell is but yet you are informed on the Covid 19 situation? Wow... again, answer the question I asked you. Are you ignorant or just like to cause chaos? It's a legitimate question. Covid 19 is real. So is the flu and dozens of other things that the government would like to control over us. Protect the ones that need protecting and use common sense. The government over reach on this is unprecedented. And it is an attempt to see how far Americans will let the government control their lives. Sheep like you that follow blindly with your hands out at every given opportunity are just the naive population that they target. Again, I asked you a question. I'll wait for your response.
caryking
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wilmwolf80 said:

Dear God, are there not enough threads on this message board for you guys to infect with politics and crazy ass *****
You guys?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
Colonel Armstrong
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What was the age of death of people dying in WW2? Late 20s?

Big difference between average age of death due to COVID. A tragedy either way though, lots of suffering this year.
ciscopack
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Johnson City Medical Center morgue runs out of space, hospital shifts to mobile morgue

(some) Locals say there is no such thing as Covid.


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ciscopack said:

Johnson City Medical Center morgue runs out of space, hospital shifts to mobile morgue

Locals say there is no such thing as Covid.



Missed where the article posted says that locals say there is not such thing as Covid.

Anyway thanks for posting. Shows the importance of getting that vaccine in record time. 4 times faster than any other vaccine. Hundreds of thousands lives will be saved!
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Cthepack said:

ciscopack said:

Johnson City Medical Center morgue runs out of space, hospital shifts to mobile morgue

Locals say there is no such thing as Covid.



Missed where the article posted says that locals say there is not such thing as Covid.

Anyway thanks for posting. Shows the importance of getting that vaccine in record time. 4 times faster than any other vaccine. Hundreds of thousands lives will be saved!
Today..... I actually saw a lady nurse from that hospital say that live in an interview and saw a lady (looked about 65) whose husband died and that is what he thought (she said crying). I'll see if I can find it.
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ciscopack said:

Cthepack said:

ciscopack said:

Johnson City Medical Center morgue runs out of space, hospital shifts to mobile morgue

Locals say there is no such thing as Covid.



Missed where the article posted says that locals say there is not such thing as Covid.

Anyway thanks for posting. Shows the importance of getting that vaccine in record time. 4 times faster than any other vaccine. Hundreds of thousands lives will be saved!
Today..... I actually saw a lady nurse from that hospital say that live in an interview and saw a lady (looked about 65) whose husband died and that is what he thought (she said crying). I'll see if I can find it.
That is fine. Lots of us in TN know covid is real. I just hope it is not like the nurse I believe from SD that was proven false after the media made a big thing about it.

So thankful we set a record on getting vaccines ready for use.
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Maybe because of my own biases, this article from WRAL really intrigued me. Is it possible that we would turn to Psychology to find the most effective ways to convince people to do certain things? The men that founded our country- I wonder what their reaction would be.

Duke psychologists: How to get people to wear masks, get vaccines

"Public health is all about collective action and public participation," she said. "Vaccines themselves don't save lives, vaccinations do."

To convince Americans to get vaccinated, Vasudevan said ads and campaigns need to feature information from sources people trust -- and people need to get more personalized information as opposed to a more generic "the vaccine is safe."

"The systems we create are important," Ariely added, suggesting a hypothetical situation where appointments to receive the vaccine automatically were made for people. Instead of deciding to get the vaccine, people would have to decide to opt out, and more people would end up getting vaccinated.

https://www.wral.com/duke-psychologists-how-to-get-people-to-wear-masks-get-vaccines/19423159/
ciscopack
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Cthepack said:

ciscopack said:

Cthepack said:

ciscopack said:

Johnson City Medical Center morgue runs out of space, hospital shifts to mobile morgue

Locals say there is no such thing as Covid.



Missed where the article posted says that locals say there is not such thing as Covid.

Anyway thanks for posting. Shows the importance of getting that vaccine in record time. 4 times faster than any other vaccine. Hundreds of thousands lives will be saved!
Today..... I actually saw a lady nurse from that hospital say that live in an interview and saw a lady (looked about 65) whose husband died and that is what he thought (she said crying). I'll see if I can find it.
That is fine. Lots of us in TN know covid is real. I just hope it is not like the nurse I believe from SD that was proven false after the media made a big thing about it.

So thankful we set a record on getting vaccines ready for use.
She was masked in front of the mobile morgue at Johnson City; talking live in interview. The lady whose husband died was next on and she talked about him being the Patriarch and shining star for his family.
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Steve Williams said:

Maybe because of my own biases, this article from WRAL really intrigued me. Is it possible that we would turn to Psychology to find the most effective ways to convince people to do certain things? The men that founded our country- I wonder what their reaction would be.

Duke psychologists: How to get people to wear masks, get vaccines

"Public health is all about collective action and public participation," she said. "Vaccines themselves don't save lives, vaccinations do."

To convince Americans to get vaccinated, Vasudevan said ads and campaigns need to feature information from sources people trust -- and people need to get more personalized information as opposed to a more generic "the vaccine is safe."

"The systems we create are important," Ariely added, suggesting a hypothetical situation where appointments to receive the vaccine automatically were made for people. Instead of deciding to get the vaccine, people would have to decide to opt out, and more people would end up getting vaccinated.

https://www.wral.com/duke-psychologists-how-to-get-people-to-wear-masks-get-vaccines/19423159/


Yeah it's quite possible we'd use psychology to get people to do certain things.

That's called Advertising. It's been around for a minute or two.
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Civilized said:

Steve Williams said:

Maybe because of my own biases, this article from WRAL really intrigued me. Is it possible that we would turn to Psychology to find the most effective ways to convince people to do certain things? The men that founded our country- I wonder what their reaction would be.

Duke psychologists: How to get people to wear masks, get vaccines

"Public health is all about collective action and public participation," she said. "Vaccines themselves don't save lives, vaccinations do."

To convince Americans to get vaccinated, Vasudevan said ads and campaigns need to feature information from sources people trust -- and people need to get more personalized information as opposed to a more generic "the vaccine is safe."

"The systems we create are important," Ariely added, suggesting a hypothetical situation where appointments to receive the vaccine automatically were made for people. Instead of deciding to get the vaccine, people would have to decide to opt out, and more people would end up getting vaccinated.

https://www.wral.com/duke-psychologists-how-to-get-people-to-wear-masks-get-vaccines/19423159/


Yeah it's quite possible we'd use psychology to get people to do certain things.

That's called Advertising. It's been around for a minute or two.
When advertising comes on, I generally turn the channel if it's for a product or service for sale.

All the politicians will advertise their vaccinations, leading scientist and doctors will, then some preachers and family doctors and nurses will advertise their shots, local officials...

That opting out is familiar to websites like this or Ancestry or The Hull Truth... opt out if you don't want to be charged.
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Civilized said:

Steve Williams said:

Maybe because of my own biases, this article from WRAL really intrigued me. Is it possible that we would turn to Psychology to find the most effective ways to convince people to do certain things? The men that founded our country- I wonder what their reaction would be.

Duke psychologists: How to get people to wear masks, get vaccines

"Public health is all about collective action and public participation," she said. "Vaccines themselves don't save lives, vaccinations do."

To convince Americans to get vaccinated, Vasudevan said ads and campaigns need to feature information from sources people trust -- and people need to get more personalized information as opposed to a more generic "the vaccine is safe."

"The systems we create are important," Ariely added, suggesting a hypothetical situation where appointments to receive the vaccine automatically were made for people. Instead of deciding to get the vaccine, people would have to decide to opt out, and more people would end up getting vaccinated.

https://www.wral.com/duke-psychologists-how-to-get-people-to-wear-masks-get-vaccines/19423159/


Yeah it's quite possible we'd use psychology to get people to do certain things.

That's called Advertising. It's been around for a minute or two.
Yeah, good point lol
Mormad
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We're at 158 in the hospital, 27 in icu, 16 intubated

Update: we're at 175, and current projections are 250 by Christmas, and they feel like our death count over the next 10 wks could match that of the previous 8 months. Ouch.
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I'm going to get the vaccine, but I'm struggling to understand why most of the population has to get the vaccine before we get back to normal. The at risk groups are the ones that are skewing the fatality rates. Once they're able to get the vaccine and the death rates get closer to flu levels, why would we not get back to normal? If younger, healthier segments of the population want to wait to get vaccinated, they can continue to wear masks and limit going out.

The main 2 vaccines don't do anything to stop the spread of the virus anyway. It's only going to help how our bodies respond. The virus isn't going away. It'll continue to impact us for forever unless someone comes out with a vaccine that actually prevents the spread like the smallpox vaccine. We'll need to learn to live with this and accept that small portions of the population will die from this just like other things.

No politician will say this though. We'll be told that everyone has to be vaccinated before we go back to normal if ever because if 1 or 2 young people die then it's 1 or 2 too many. As morbid as it is to say there's a level we're going to have to learn to accept. We can't live like this forever.

Get the vaccine out to at risk groups and let's live our lives again.
ciscopack
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Herd immunity without 400,000 deaths per year/US....reached according to the scientists at 75-85% inoculated??????

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The hurdles we face before reaching herd immunity

FDA chief warns US won't reach herd immunity if people shun COVID-19 vaccine

Fauci says herd immunity possible by fall, 'normality' by end of 2021

COVID-19 Vaccine Key to Reaching 'Herd Immunity'

Oxford-Astrazeneca Covid vaccine shows sign of giving herd immunity
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Mormad said:

We're at 158 in the hospital, 27 in icu, 16 intubated

Update: we're at 175, and current projections are 250 by Christmas, and they feel like our death count over the next 10 wks could match that of the previous 8 months. Ouch.
Why? Why? Why?

I don't get it. We are almost a year into this. We should have the treatments now to help people in the hospital. People shouldn't be dying at increasing rates even if there's more spread right now. That doesn't make any sense. What is happening right now that's causing it to be so much worse than it's been most of the year? I know there's some bad behavior but that does not explain it all... there's been bad behavior this entire time. What county are you in and just what is going on?
caryking
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Pacfanweb said:

Okay, again...not disputing all that, BUT:

How do we explain the fact that we have over 200k more deaths than "normal" and that # pretty closely matches the Covid death claims?

There's no getting around the fact that we have more deaths this year. A lot more.


Not disputing the above; however, how do we explain the following:




On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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I wonder what deaths due to traffic accidents look like for 2020 vs. 2019.
Because I would think (total speculation, granted) that there's been less travelling in 2020 (due to Covid) from some people than in years past.

But then again, I could be totally wrong.
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The answer to that question is the answer to the question of why the projected deaths for this year dropped from the previous year, when we had been on an upward trend. That is the source of the excess death numbers that have been reported here. It is excess deaths compared to what was predicted, so what was the scientific reason that the predicted number of deaths was lower this year than last. I'll be interested to know if the answer to that question is out there anywhere.

(And questioning why the projection was lowered doesn't lessen the number of people who are listed as dying from Covid, or mean that I don't think it's real, or any of the other BS counter arguments that are normally made in this thread. I just want to know why the projection was lowered. )
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
Mormad
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8500 hospital staff in survey, 70% said they would receive the vaccine if offered. Many don't trust it or believe in it and want to see more data, which really means they want others they know to get it first and see how it goes.

Since it is unknown whether these vaccines stop the spread and therefore there is no apparent change in masking recommendations after vaccination, is the vaccine going to move the needle politically or socially at all? Maybe if it reduces hospitalizations and deaths the political and media fervor will die down?

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