Everpack said:

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ciscopack said:

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metcalfmafia said:

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People not wearing masks in public is such a low percentage at this point. I'd love to see the numbers on that if they somehow existed.

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You've got to get out in the country. I know of 3 local convenience stores where mask wearing is less than 50%...I don't sit there and count but I'd guess 35% wear masks. The people behind the counters are mask-less. I'd guess if most of those people went to Lowes, they'd find 1 but some would not.

The Family Dollar behind one of those convenience stores; I'd guess 80% wear masks there and the employees wear them. WalMart in Zebulon.....probably around 90%+.

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Ah yes, maskless, rural American convenience stores are the super spreaders for a worldwide respiratory virus pandemic. Do you even hear yourself?

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wilmwolf80 said:

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I was unaware that gas stations in Zebulon were driving the hospitalization numbers in the state. Learn something new every day.

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ciscopack said:

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metcalfmafia said:

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ciscopack said:

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metcalfmafia said:

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People not wearing masks in public is such a low percentage at this point. I'd love to see the numbers on that if they somehow existed.

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You've got to get out in the country. I know of 3 local convenience stores where mask wearing is less than 50%...I don't sit there and count but I'd guess 35% wear masks. The people behind the counters are mask-less. I'd guess if most of those people went to Lowes, they'd find 1 but some would not.

The Family Dollar behind one of those convenience stores; I'd guess 80% wear masks there and the employees wear them. WalMart in Zebulon.....probably around 90%+.

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Are you confident in saying that your local convenience stores are the same as the rest of the country? Cause that's what I'm talking about here.

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Absolutely not.

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Pack87 said:

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There was a claim on Twitter this morning saying there had been 279,000 deaths and at an average of 5'5" per person laid end to end would create a bridge to the moon 6 times. While I am not disputing 279,000 is a tragic number of deaths, my math tells me that is only about 290 miles. It is almost 240,000 miles to the moon one way. Yet there was no Twitter warning for inaccurate information put on this post.

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Pacfanweb said:

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And the liberals support this thinking...

https://www.westernjournal.com/pelosi-finally-admits-holding-relief-talks-months-pure-politics/

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Covid is real. No doubt about that.

But the Dems using it to make Trump look bad is equally not in dispute.

Americans really should be outraged about this, but I suspect many are getting politics fatigue at this point and just want it to be over.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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I highly recommend people research the dangers of vaccines in general, and of this "covid" vaccine in particular. Pharmaceutical companies have been given immunity by law from liability of harm caused by the vaccines they produce. They are motivated by profit alone, and have no incentive to make the vaccines safe.

Information is now coming out that this "covid" vaccine (from two top doctors, see article below) may actually cause an "exaggerated immune reaction" which would make you MORE susceptible to dying from covid-19, and which also may cause infertility in women.

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/


Found this info via this video:

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I will gladly take anyone's place in line if you do not want the Covid vaccine.

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caryking said:

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I would like to see an independent group do an audit of the deaths. I believe you will see the true number of deaths come down. I know for a fact that doctors and hospitals are coding COVID deaths improperly. The reimbursement is higher, so, they code the death more effectively for the reimbursement.

Now, what I don't know is how prevalent and widespread this is. For the liberals on here that complain about healthcare being too expensive, I would think you would support this type of audit. If the doctors and hospitals are cheating the system, this would cause an increase in the cost of healthcare and ultimately healthcare insurance.

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Pacfanweb said:

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caryking said:

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I would like to see an independent group do an audit of the deaths. I believe you will see the true number of deaths come down. I know for a fact that doctors and hospitals are coding COVID deaths improperly. The reimbursement is higher, so, they code the death more effectively for the reimbursement.

Now, what I don't know is how prevalent and widespread this is. For the liberals on here that complain about healthcare being too expensive, I would think you would support this type of audit. If the doctors and hospitals are cheating the system, this would cause an increase in the cost of healthcare and ultimately healthcare insurance.

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Not that I am disputing this, but HOW do you "know this for a fact"?

Have you personally seen this happen?

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Daviewolf83 said:

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caryking said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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caryking said:

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I would like to see an independent group do an audit of the deaths. I believe you will see the true number of deaths come down. I know for a fact that doctors and hospitals are coding COVID deaths improperly. The reimbursement is higher, so, they code the death more effectively for the reimbursement.

Now, what I don't know is how prevalent and widespread this is. For the liberals on here that complain about healthcare being too expensive, I would think you would support this type of audit. If the doctors and hospitals are cheating the system, this would cause an increase in the cost of healthcare and ultimately healthcare insurance.

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Not that I am disputing this, but HOW do you "know this for a fact"?

Have you personally seen this happen?

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People I know, very closely, work in hospital's COVID death center/designated area. These people tag the deceased with the cause of death. That's all I can say...

Also, I have an Aunt (96 years old) that died recently. She was classified a COVID death. She was in Hospice and her days were number. She contracted COVID and the nursing home designated her cause of death as COVID. Now, her son is a renowned cardiologist in the country and daughter has been in the health profession her entire life. They both said the cause of death was a joke and the nursing home only classified it for money.

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Caryking - I trust what you are saying is accurate. I will not go into details, but I received similar information a couple of weeks ago that aligns with your post. The reason I was given also aligns with your post - higher reimbursement. I agree that an independent group should be charged with auditing the Covid deaths reported by the hospitals to insure they have been accurately reported. Hopefully this will happen in the future, when the pandemic ends.

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Pacfanweb said:

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Okay, again...not disputing all that, BUT:

How do we explain the fact that we have over 200k more deaths than "normal" and that # pretty closely matches the Covid death claims?

There's no getting around the fact that we have more deaths this year. A lot more.

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Pacfanweb said:

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Okay, again...not disputing all that, BUT:

How do we explain the fact that we have over 200k more deaths than "normal" and that # pretty closely matches the Covid death claims?

There's no getting around the fact that we have more deaths this year. A lot more.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Okay, again...not disputing all that, BUT:

How do we explain the fact that we have over 200k more deaths than "normal" and that # pretty closely matches the Covid death claims?

There's no getting around the fact that we have more deaths this year. A lot more.

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Pacfanweb - Can you provide a link to the data or graph source? I am interested in reviewing the data for this report. I have seen mixed reports on this topic with some people saying we have excess deaths and others saying the baseline being used is not correct and the excess deaths are smaller than reported. I really do not know what/who to believe, so I just want to review the data to better understand how they are calculating the baseline and arriving at the other numbers. Thanks.

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