Wayland said:

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6/1/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)

NC Cases*
29,263
NC Deaths**
898
Currently Hospitalized
650
Completed Tests
421,908

559 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
72 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

267 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
631 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

162 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)

WRAL is at 923 (+2) and NandO is at 944 deaths

674 positive cases over 5619 new tests. 12.0% positive rate.

3 of the deaths reported by DHHS today are over 10 days old. Expect a spike in hospitalizations tomorrow, hospitals have been slack in reporting on the weekends.

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6/2/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
29,889
NC Deaths**
921
Currently Hospitalized
716
Completed Tests
434,921

574 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
76 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+23 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

271 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
650 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)

WRAL is at 933 (+2) and NandO is at 961 deaths

626 positive cases over 13,013 new tests. 4.8% positive rate.

DHHS is now releasing updates at noon instead of 11am. Apparently they need an extra hour to process increased testing data. Tough decisions on what data to release on what day to support narratives.

There is that jump back in hospitalizations I called yesterday now that most of them are reporting again.

5 of the deaths reported today occurred over a week ago. The remaining 17 all fall between 5/27-6/1.

+66 on hospitalizations seems like a lot. Definitely would like to understand more about how people are being admitted, the level of care needed, etc.

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+66 on hospitalizations seems like a lot. Definitely would like to understand more about how people are being admitted, the level of care needed, etc.

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It is just weekend lag. Over the weekend reporting was down to 75%. It is now back to 89%. The highest I think I have ever seen was 92%.

So far all intents and purposes, I would call hospitalizations stable over the last week.

I would LOVE to know new admits, recovered/released, average length of stay, origin of patient (LTC vs general), hotel LTC, location of hospitalizations, ICU vs non-critical. But the state of NC puts no value on these things as public knowledge.

The Mass daily report lists hospitals and their actual patient counts in each hospital. NY and NJ both say how many NEW patients are coming in each day and how many RECOVERED are leaving.

NC provides just a raw number and even then doesn't even REQUIRE hospitals to report and everybody is ok with it. Media hasn't called them out on their gaps.

Which is why we need more insight into just what is a hospitalization.

Things like that drive me nuts. I cringed when Cohen said yesterday that we just had our highest day of cases on Saturday. No we didn't, we had it last Tuesday, but the (majority of the) cases were not reported until Saturday mixed in with some reporting from other days.

The state is being deliberately opaque in how data is presented so that the narrative can be controlled. Alluding to food processing and congregate outbreaks, but not straight out saying when they occur. I honestly think admitting to 'hot spot chasing' yesterday was a bit of a slip. Unfortunately, the media is not bright enough to understand how that can skew underlying data.

"BIG NUMBER BAD, LOW NUMBER GOOD." Is about all they understand.

While I am just ranting, I understand the lag going from County -> State data, but I would love more insight into the reverse lag. Odd statistical outliers like NC reporting 300 more cases of COVID-19 in Mecklenburg than Mecklenburg does on their site. It is not significant in the grand scheme, but it just makes me curious why you have a gap going the wrong way if data is going from County -> State what is the source of the data discrepancy. Also Meck has 18 Congregate outbreaks.....

Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

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The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

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The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Of course it is. According to you, COVID19 is fake. Just like the moon landing, the earth being round, all protesters are antifa and not other groups as well and on and on you go.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

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The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Of course it is. According to you, COVID19 is fake. Just like the moon landing, the earth being round, all protesters are antifa and not other groups as well and on and on you go.

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Man, first of all I learned a pretty long time ago not to even read one of Guerrilla's posts here... and I was all with you on your response until you stuck your head up your ass with the Antifa comment. But whatever...

TheStorm said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

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The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Of course it is. According to you, COVID19 is fake. Just like the moon landing, the earth being round, all protesters are antifa and not other groups as well and on and on you go.

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Man, first of all I learned a pretty long time ago not to even read one of Guerrilla's posts here... and I was all with you on your response until you stuck your head up your ass with the Antifa comment. But whatever...

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Stuck my head up my ass? You really believe that every one of these looters/rioters is antifa? You really believe they are the only group behind this crap? If I've got my head up my ass for seeing that it's multiple groups doing this, then so be it. But whatever.

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TheStorm said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

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The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Of course it is. According to you, COVID19 is fake. Just like the moon landing, the earth being round, all protesters are antifa and not other groups as well and on and on you go.

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Man, first of all I learned a pretty long time ago not to even read one of Guerrilla's posts here... and I was all with you on your response until you stuck your head up your ass with the Antifa comment. But whatever...

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Stuck my head up my ass? You really believe that every one of these looters/rioters is antifa? You really believe they are the only group behind this crap? If I've got my head up my ass for seeing that it's multiple groups doing this, then so be it. But whatever.

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There is a big difference between your "every one" and who is organizing and orchestrating these riots, looting and destruction of personal property across an entire country (none of which has anything to do with George Floyd, by the way). We just went through this 3 years ago or so. When it got to Charlotte, 90% of those people were from other states. They came in on ****ing busses. Glad that you were paying attention as normal.

TheStorm said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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TheStorm said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Sorry if this was posted earlier, but the CDC admits that the death rate for "Covid-19" is less than 0.40%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

Quote:

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CDC says 35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic

[...]

The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

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So...if 0.40% death rate is for those that show symptoms, and 35% of infections do not show symptoms...then by my math that means that around 1.5 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms..and the overall death rate would be 0.26% according to those numbers.

That 35% number seems like an extremely low estimate to me. Probably more like 5-10 times as many people have been infected as have shown symptoms.

The death rate for the seasonal flu is right around 0.20%. So this thing is probably less deadly than the seasonal flu.

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Of course it is. According to you, COVID19 is fake. Just like the moon landing, the earth being round, all protesters are antifa and not other groups as well and on and on you go.

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Man, first of all I learned a pretty long time ago not to even read one of Guerrilla's posts here... and I was all with you on your response until you stuck your head up your ass with the Antifa comment. But whatever...

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Stuck my head up my ass? You really believe that every one of these looters/rioters is antifa? You really believe they are the only group behind this crap? If I've got my head up my ass for seeing that it's multiple groups doing this, then so be it. But whatever.

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There is a big difference between your "every one" and who is organizing and orchestrating these riots, looting and destruction of personal property across an entire country (none of which has anything to do with George Floyd, by the way). We just went through this 3 years ago or so. When it got to Charlotte, 90% of those people were from other states. They came in on ****ing busses. Glad that you were paying attention as normal.

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So you're saying they are all antifa? That all these riots are being orcastrated by one group? That's what you're saying correct? Also, glad to see you bolded part of your post this time. You didn't on the last one so I thought you were going out of character.

They are George Soros funded acolytes (employees), under many names.

Wayland said:

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Wayland said:

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6/1/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)

NC Cases*
29,263
NC Deaths**
898
Currently Hospitalized
650
Completed Tests
421,908

559 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
72 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

267 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
631 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

162 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)

WRAL is at 923 (+2) and NandO is at 944 deaths

674 positive cases over 5619 new tests. 12.0% positive rate.

3 of the deaths reported by DHHS today are over 10 days old. Expect a spike in hospitalizations tomorrow, hospitals have been slack in reporting on the weekends.

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6/2/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
29,889
NC Deaths**
921
Currently Hospitalized
716
Completed Tests
434,921

574 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
76 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+23 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

271 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
650 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)

WRAL is at 933 (+2) and NandO is at 961 deaths

626 positive cases over 13,013 new tests. 4.8% positive rate.

DHHS is now releasing updates at noon instead of 11am. Apparently they need an extra hour to process increased testing data. Tough decisions on what data to release on what day to support narratives.

There is that jump back in hospitalizations I called yesterday now that most of them are reporting again.

5 of the deaths reported today occurred over a week ago. The remaining 17 all fall between 5/27-6/1.

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6/3/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
30,777
NC Deaths**
939
Currently Hospitalized
684
Completed Tests
449,263

585 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
80 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+18 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

274 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
665 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+15)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+0)

WRAL is at 952 (+2) and NandO is at 980 deaths

888 positive cases over 14342 new tests. 6.2% positive rate.

Every day for the last 8 days contains at least 1 death reported in today's total.

26 of the deaths reported by the media but not reported by DHHS are coming from three counties.
Carteret - DHHS 3, NandO 9, County - 3
Robeson - DHHS 14, NandO 26, County - 22
Alamance - DHHS 20, NandO 28, County - 23

Media reporting that unfortunately, NC has had its first death of a minor due to COVID-19 complications.

There was talk earlier that some cases were attributed to Alamance County because the tests were run at LabCorp and there was no address given. I don't know how that might or might not apply to deaths.

In addition, I have been told that Alamance County COVID19 patients are all sent to the Cone facility in Greensboro. Could there be some delay/confusion about reporting where they die versus where their address was?

Have you been able to discern where the "Unknown" settings usually end up being for the deaths? The congregate deaths are staggering when compared to general pop, and then adding unknown makes it even more concerning.

statefan91 said:

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Have you been able to discern where the "Unknown" settings usually end up being for the deaths? The congregate deaths are staggering when compared to general pop, and then adding unknown makes it even more concerning.

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To me, "Unknown" is more likely a congregate death than not and I still think congregate deaths were being under counted early. Unknown deaths typically aren't being reassigned or if they are it is being clouded by the fact that additional Unknown deaths are being added on the same days as reassignment.

And the number of Unknown deaths continues to be an increasing trend (reassignment or not). I

t seems odd to me that DHHS is having that hard a time tracking these down. When it gets to 80 cases, now you have a backlog. But these are only coming in a couple a day, make some calls.

Along the hospitalization front. NC doesn't publish any data but other states post a ton. I saw a big headline today that Arizona has hit their record high hospitalizations (over 1000), but lets look at their cases by Date of Hospitalization from the Arizona Dashboard. (source: https://azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php)



Even allowing for some delay, there certainly isn't any noticeable spike. Based on other's analysis, people examining hospital resource usage are leaning towards hospitals are lengthening patient stays and hoteling patients.

I would guess something similar is occurring in NC, but without any insight into NC data, I have to make guesses based on comparable trends elsewhere.

Steve Williams said:

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This isn't a thread about George Soros, Antifa, etc. It's been my go-to for info on Covid so please don't screw it up. Thanks to you guys that have presented factual info daily.

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I agree fully.

Shouldn't have allowed myself to get goaded into it here. Not the place for it, thankfully.

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There was talk earlier that some cases were attributed to Alamance County because the tests were run at LabCorp and there was no address given. I don't know how that might or might not apply to deaths.

In addition, I have been told that Alamance County COVID19 patients are all sent to the Cone facility in Greensboro. Could there be some delay/confusion about reporting where they die versus where their address was?

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Do you live in Alamance County? Or are you from there originally? Seems like we knew some of the same people in past conversation...

TheStorm said:

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PackMom said:

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There was talk earlier that some cases were attributed to Alamance County because the tests were run at LabCorp and there was no address given. I don't know how that might or might not apply to deaths.

In addition, I have been told that Alamance County COVID19 patients are all sent to the Cone facility in Greensboro. Could there be some delay/confusion about reporting where they die versus where their address was?

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Do you live in Alamance County? Or are you from there originally? Seems like we knew some of the same people in past conversation...

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I grew up in Alamance County and still have family there.

Wayland said:

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statefan91 said:

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Have you been able to discern where the "Unknown" settings usually end up being for the deaths? The congregate deaths are staggering when compared to general pop, and then adding unknown makes it even more concerning.

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To me, "Unknown" is more likely a congregate death than not and I still think congregate deaths were being under counted early. Unknown deaths typically aren't being reassigned or if they are it is being clouded by the fact that additional Unknown deaths are being added on the same days as reassignment.

And the number of Unknown deaths continues to be an increasing trend (reassignment or not). I

t seems odd to me that DHHS is having that hard a time tracking these down. When it gets to 80 cases, now you have a backlog. But these are only coming in a couple a day, make some calls.

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The strangest part about all of this recent "getting cute with the numbers", "but Mandy Cohen says", etc. - and your well-stated, fully legitimate questions are, in that even if I just look at my personal (highly unsophisticated) tracking of the NCDHHS data (entered only as it is reported to me that one single day and not adjusted - ie. I'm completely using their numbers)... we are still D O W N the following from THE DAY BEFORE our HUGE May 23rd SPIKE:

Running Averages (From 5/22 through today):
% CONFIRMED CASES as of the number of Completed Tests - (Down 3.91% from 5/22 running average)
% DEATHS as of the number of Completed Tests - (Down 12.92% from 5/22 running average)
% DEATHS as of the number of Confirmed Cases - (Down 9.41% from 5/22 running average)

Nothing here suggests to me that this is getting worse...

Big midweek death dump coming out of NandO, they used to hold on to data until after DHHS updated, but now they are pushing right away.

NandO has 999 deaths listed already and +500 cases already going into the evening. Which is a +29 on the day. Looks like Wednesday is when everyone clears their ledger.

Deaths look pretty spaced out but Alamance +3, Robeson +3, Guilford +6 (one of the hardest hit areas), No one else has more than 2 delta over morning numbers. Considering the Congregate Outbreak report still only has Guilford with 21 congregate deaths, some focus really needs to be put there (of course pending the report update).

TheStorm said:

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Steve Williams said:

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This isn't a thread about George Soros, Antifa, etc. It's been my go-to for info on Covid so please don't screw it up. Thanks to you guys that have presented factual info daily.

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I agree fully.

Shouldn't have allowed myself to get goaded into it here. Not the place for it, thankfully.

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Mea culpa

Apologize.

Wayland said:

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Wayland said:

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Wayland said:

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6/1/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)

NC Cases*
29,263
NC Deaths**
898
Currently Hospitalized
650
Completed Tests
421,908

559 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
72 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

267 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
631 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

162 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)

WRAL is at 923 (+2) and NandO is at 944 deaths

674 positive cases over 5619 new tests. 12.0% positive rate.

3 of the deaths reported by DHHS today are over 10 days old. Expect a spike in hospitalizations tomorrow, hospitals have been slack in reporting on the weekends.

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6/2/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
29,889
NC Deaths**
921
Currently Hospitalized
716
Completed Tests
434,921

574 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
76 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+23 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

271 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
650 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)

WRAL is at 933 (+2) and NandO is at 961 deaths

626 positive cases over 13,013 new tests. 4.8% positive rate.

DHHS is now releasing updates at noon instead of 11am. Apparently they need an extra hour to process increased testing data. Tough decisions on what data to release on what day to support narratives.

There is that jump back in hospitalizations I called yesterday now that most of them are reporting again.

5 of the deaths reported today occurred over a week ago. The remaining 17 all fall between 5/27-6/1.

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6/3/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
30,777
NC Deaths**
939
Currently Hospitalized
684
Completed Tests
449,263

585 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
80 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+18 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

274 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
665 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+15)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+0)

WRAL is at 952 (+2) and NandO is at 980 deaths

888 positive cases over 14342 new tests. 6.2% positive rate.

Every day for the last 8 days contains at least 1 death reported in today's total.

26 of the deaths reported by the media but not reported by DHHS are coming from three counties.
Carteret - DHHS 3, NandO 9, County - 3
Robeson - DHHS 14, NandO 26, County - 22
Alamance - DHHS 20, NandO 28, County - 23

Media reporting that unfortunately, NC has had its first death of a minor due to COVID-19 complications.

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6/4/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
31,966
NC Deaths**
960
Currently Hospitalized
659
Completed Tests
468,302

598 Deaths are now Congregate (+13)
79 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+21 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

283 Deaths assumed General Population (+9)
665 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+12)

167 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+4)

WRAL is at 963 (+2) and NandO is at 997 deaths

1189 positive cases over 19039 new tests. 6.2% positive rate.

Big case day, massive number of tests. Hospitalizations down (85% reporting vs 88% yesterday). Most of the cases are from Monday, maybe they are getting a little quicker at reporting.

Based on my daily tracking of deaths by date starting 5/7. Three of the death reported today either were not added to the DHHS graph or occurred greater than a month ago. 1 is from 5/21 and the remainder are from within the last week.

There's so much variability in the # of tests and results day to day, it's hard to understand them.

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There's so much variability in the # of tests and results day to day, it's hard to understand them.

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I wouldn't be surprised if some of that new prison testing was in there, but not much you can tell by the case numbers. Other than I wouldn't let the spikes scare you too much (despite white Cuomo might be trying to sell in his pressers. He called out NC today).

And of course WRAL's BREAKING headline is "NC reports highest single day of new coronavirus cases." They live for big numbers, no context.

Not sure their data expert they roll out even knows how to read graphs.

Will be interesting to see what the PHE Network hospitalization admit numbers looks like in the surveillance this afternoon. Thursdays and Fridays are always fun datawise as that is when CDC does their weekly compilation.

Agree on most of what you said.

Definitely not scared, actually took the kids back to daycare this week.