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I think the 24hours a day 7 days a week fear porn for over 2 years helps drive the hospitalizations. I have a coworker that felt sick and was sure they had it until their test came back negative. And then felt great. My coworker was around a college kid that had to test to return to campus, and tested positive with zero symptoms.

I don't think my coworker would have needed to go to ER, or be hospitalized, if test came back positive. The constant fear porn definitely got in their head though. I do have people in my life that can talk themselves into symptoms of diseases they read about. Fortunately none of them have tested positive yet. Very confident they would make a trip to the hospital.

My MIL won't even leave the house except to grocery store, doctor office, or our house. Just consumed with fear.

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caryking said:

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WOW!!! This thread got off a bit...

I think some of the graphs show trend data and could be good to review. I also think we have have a Government that is intentionally misleading and/or misguiding the people.

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packgrad said:

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I think the 24hours a day 7 days a week fear porn for over 2 years helps drive the hospitalizations. I have a coworker that felt sick and was sure they had it until their test came back negative. And then felt great. My coworker was around a college kid that had to test to return to campus, and tested positive with zero symptoms.

I don't think my coworker would have needed to go to ER, or be hospitalized, if test came back positive. The constant fear porn definitely got in their head though. I do have people in my life that can talk themselves into symptoms of diseases they read about. Fortunately none of them have tested positive yet. Very confident they would make a trip to the hospital.

My MIL won't even leave the house except to grocery store, doctor office, or our house. Just consumed with fear.

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Werewolf said:

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caryking said:

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WOW!!! This thread got off a bit...

I think some of the graphs show trend data and could be good to review. I also think we have have a Government that is intentionally misleading and/or misguiding the people.

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I'm sure Davie believes he's helping and I do think he's been a moderate guy. I think attention needs to be called to the fact that all the #'s are falsely generated and this is where Davie is in error.

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Bro you lost me here. "Davie believes he is helping". Wow you got no nuance in you homie.

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WPNfamily said:

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Werewolf said:

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caryking said:

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WOW!!! This thread got off a bit...

I think some of the graphs show trend data and could be good to review. I also think we have have a Government that is intentionally misleading and/or misguiding the people.

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I'm sure Davie believes he's helping and I do think he's been a moderate guy. I think attention needs to be called to the fact that all the #'s are falsely generated and this is where Davie is in error.

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Bro you lost me here. "Davie believes he is helping". Wow you got no nuance in you homie.

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Wayland said:

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Again, subject to backlog... but Wake is finally not pointing straight up when looking a few days back by collection data (of course they get the brand new mass testing site today... so there is that.. will see how that plays out).



In probably something that only interests me (and again, the data is subject to backlog). There is still an interesting pivot point in Deaths. Again, I expect deaths to increase just due to the sheer number of cases (and both WITH/FOR). People are going to die and when possibly as high as 10% of the population is ACTIVELY infected then people are going to die with COVID.

While this is just correlation and doesn't mean anything, the peaks of both our major waves of 'Deaths, Date of' eventually came in just under 2 weeks from our case peak. The week of 12/18 is when Omicron really started taking hold... look at the current death curve two weeks later:



Again, I full expect this to bounce in the near term just due to volume. But even looking at death by report date, on Jan 12, 2021 we were reporting a 7 day average of 92 deaths a day... and today our 7 day average is 32.

Until things change (and a lot of backlog comes in), my hypothesis is that is the Omicron effect on what was our winter wave which up to then was primarily Delta.

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Again, a nice interpretation and prediction right here.

At least here, I'm hearing of very few deaths from COVID-19, and a critical care guy told me last week, "they're not making it to us." Meaning the admissions aren't sick enough in general for the icu anymore. It is so prevalent in our communities that it is stressing the system, and yes some will die with covid, but it's very different this time around. Met with an ER friend yesterday, and he said he's "never seen it like this in my 25 yr career." It's not that the ERs are overrun with covid per se, but unlike the alpha wave in which every other medical issue seemingly shut down (MIs, strokes, bleeds, falls, etc) and allowed us to focus soley on covid, this time everything else is much busier PLUS the CLIs are coming in in large numbers. But we all think the peak is near just as Wayland and others have graphed... We think within 2 wks conservatively.

I think the 36 RBD mutations of the cron has essentially defanged the virus as we have always felt a novel virus could eventually do, and while there will still be those who suffer more than others, it will eventually be what most would consider another endemic cold or flu variant. Cases will be milder, outcomes will be better, and hysteria will finally fade.

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What is the average person with current strain in the ER for? Respiratory symptoms? Dehydration? Low O2? As someone who has never went to the ER, I guess I'm just naive to the reasons why someone would be there with what is widely reported as a mild cold?

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Wayland said:

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Again, subject to backlog... but Wake is finally not pointing straight up when looking a few days back by collection data (of course they get the brand new mass testing site today... so there is that.. will see how that plays out).



In probably something that only interests me (and again, the data is subject to backlog). There is still an interesting pivot point in Deaths. Again, I expect deaths to increase just due to the sheer number of cases (and both WITH/FOR). People are going to die and when possibly as high as 10% of the population is ACTIVELY infected then people are going to die with COVID.

While this is just correlation and doesn't mean anything, the peaks of both our major waves of 'Deaths, Date of' eventually came in just under 2 weeks from our case peak. The week of 12/18 is when Omicron really started taking hold... look at the current death curve two weeks later:



Again, I full expect this to bounce in the near term just due to volume. But even looking at death by report date, on Jan 12, 2021 we were reporting a 7 day average of 92 deaths a day... and today our 7 day average is 32.

Until things change (and a lot of backlog comes in), my hypothesis is that is the Omicron effect on what was our winter wave which up to then was primarily Delta.

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The Netherlands is one of the most interesting places for tracking the divergence of cases from more acute outcomes as Omicron takes over

Timing of its winter Delta wave meant numbers rose *and fell* before Omicron took off, so any rise now can reasonably be attributed to Omi pic.twitter.com/D4cya5O83E

— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) January 11, 2022

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He was at least kind enough to start his own thread because he didn't want his 'information" to get lost amongst a bunch of "useless' graphs (his words, not mine ).

Mormad, don't you even think about not posting here because of some over the top loon… now… if we could just get glass and / or runs to do something useful and move any new posts of his to "his" thread, then we'd be making some progress…

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TheStorm said:

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He was at least kind enough to start his own thread because he didn't want his 'information" to get lost amongst a bunch of "useless' graphs (his words, not mine ).

Mormad, don't you even think about not posting here because of some over the top loon… now… if we could just get glass and / or runs to do something useful and move any new posts of his to "his" thread, then we'd be making some progress…

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Hmmmm… For some reason now, I can't find that special "only for the good stuff" thread that got started yesterday.

I guess it must not have been that great afterall?

And look, I'm all for whoever posting whatever is relevant to any given thread, but when 9 out of 10 posts are basically nothing but spam, it really starts to "get in the way" of / about what the purpose of the thread is to begin with.

Surely there can be some degree of a happy medium here, can't there?!?

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TheStorm said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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TheStorm said:

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TheStorm said:

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He was at least kind enough to start his own thread because he didn't want his 'information" to get lost amongst a bunch of "useless' graphs (his words, not mine ).

Mormad, don't you even think about not posting here because of some over the top loon… now… if we could just get glass and / or runs to do something useful and move any new posts of his to "his" thread, then we'd be making some progress…

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Hmmmm… For some reason now, I can't find that special "only for the good stuff" thread that got started yesterday.

I guess it must not have been that great afterall?

And look, I'm all for whoever posting whatever is relevant to any given thread, but when 9 out of 10 posts are basically nothing but spam, it really starts to "get in the way" of / about what the purpose of the thread is to begin with.

Surely there can be some degree of a happy medium here, can't there?!?

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So you've joined the group of whiners and cheerleaders for censorship here in the WC?

You can't just label somebody else's views/posts as "spam" as a justification for censoring their posts. I could just as easily slap the label "spam" on anything that you post. But I won't do that, because I actually believe in freedom of speech.

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Spam is posting a link on every. single. post.

Why don't you guys post all that junk on the "Mark of the Beast" thread or any number of the other threads that "you guys" have started on the subject in the past?

Oh, that's right?

Because. No. One. Is. Reading. Them.

Plus, you two would just rather continue to try your damnedest to ruin a good thread, I guess.

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TheStorm said:

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Why don't you guys post all that junk on the "Mark of the Beast" thread or any number of the other threads that "you guys" have started on the subject in the past?

Oh, that's right?

Because. No. One. Is. Reading. Them.

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BREAKING: The Supreme Court BLOCKS the federal government's COVID-19 vaccine-or-test requirement for large workplaces. The court ALLOWS a vaccine mandate for workers at federally funded health care facilities to take effect nationwide.

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) January 13, 2022

Daviewolf83 said:

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Mixed bag from the Supreme Court today on vaccine mandates. Rule the OSHA mandate as unconstitutional, but upheld the mandate on healthcare workers.

BREAKING: The Supreme Court BLOCKS the federal government's COVID-19 vaccine-or-test requirement for large workplaces. The court ALLOWS a vaccine mandate for workers at federally funded health care facilities to take effect nationwide.

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) January 13, 2022

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Mormad said:

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The reason hospitals receive benefits on covid pts is because covid pts are very costly to the system. Some people read that hospitals receive extra money for coding for the care of covid pts and immediately jump to ignorant conclusions without stopping to consider the reasoning behind such payments. Hospitals don't make squat on admitting sick medical patients. Bills are high, but payments are low.

Covid added significant costs to care: prolonged icu stays, expensive medications like remdesivir and mAbs, negative pressure rooms, PPE, facility upfits, ventilators, etc. They incurred great costs that far outweighed any uptick in payment for the care that was generously offered in an attempt to offset costs, remove disincentives, and keep business solvent in a time of crisis.

Look, I'm no best friend with hospitals or insurance companies. Docs and hospitals are often adversarial because while we make the hospitals money, we're also cost centers and we butt heads. Especially neurosurgeons. We ask for expensive sht. But I'm backing the hospital on this one. They've taken a huge hit to the nuts, they've managed this bs as best they could, and anyone suggesting otherwise is clueless about the business of health care. Hospitals make money on surgery, hearts, and heads. They don't make money on sick medical trainwrecks. And those medical trainwrecks have shut down the centers in the hospital that make money. Covid, very simply put, is a huge money loser for health care systems.

That is why i steamed over that whole, "mormod, just another dolla" bullsht. That's a completely senseless, clueless, diskish statement that insults my character and my intellect while some clown pretends to know one gd thing about my finances, my motives, or how covid has effected me. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a surgeon will take a huge financial hit when elective cases are shut down for weeks at the time, pts stop wanting to go to the doctor, pcps stop referring pts for elective stuff, and reimbursement declines. My group has lost 25-33% of our income. "Just another dolla" my fckin ass.

Sorry for the rant. Not intended for you at all. Just blowing off steam that's been building. Loved watching you kick btw.

I feel better.

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