I lived there in the early nineties, when it wasn't like that and there was even one Republican in Congress from that area.

Seems like someone on this board was asking questions about what it would take to reach herd immunity fairly recently even...

Wrong thread

https://www.wbtv.com/2021/09/10/novant-health-issues-statement-leaked-internal-discussion-covid-19-patient-numbers/

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Dr. Daugherty says obesity plays a large part in this. He says least 9/10 patients in ICU with covid throughout the state, are also obese. @WBTV_News

— Caroline Hicks WBTV (@CarolineHicksTV) September 14, 2021

Maybe this should have been really a high point of emphasis when addressing vaccine hesitancy, instead of just talking around it.

I know it has been discussed here at length in the past, but really messaging should have been targeting those at the most risk (like we did for seniors).

I know not perfect, and there are 'healthy' people who end up with severe cases, but I would still think you target the 'likely' potential severe cases.

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There are so many .gifs that I want to use to respond to this.

If the communications would just be honest with the numbers and who is really at risk, you wouldn't have to threaten people to get the vaccine. People respond to honesty and transparency. I'm afraid it's too late for that, however, as the damage is done with all of the fear mongering and flip-flopping on what it is and isn't.

I just don't think it should be this difficult. If you're over 50, you need to take the vaccine. If you're 35-50, take it if you want to. If you are obese, you need the vaccine, at any age. The age stratification and obesity risks have been evident since early last year.

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When I was reading this (bolded), I really thought about Bill Clinton...

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

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https://www.wbtv.com/2021/09/10/novant-health-issues-statement-leaked-internal-discussion-covid-19-patient-numbers/

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This kind of **** has been going on from the start. The State (well, the entire country actually) needs to have a "uniform" way that this stuff is reported. If someone is no longer positive, but still in the hospital r e c o v e r i n g (not in ICU obviously, and not intubated obviously) and you want them reported - then put them into a category that explains exactly what that number means! They should also be quantifying and differentiating between "from covid" and "with covid"... but we need to scare as many people as possible with whatever "fear porn" that we can conjure up.

That woman should be relieved of her position immediately. New Hanover County has an indoor mask mandate in place (that very few people are following). That mask mandate is in place due to people like her that are injecting her own personal politics into public health guidance. It's absolutely disgusting.

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Dr. Daugherty says obesity plays a large part in this. He says least 9/10 patients in ICU with covid throughout the state, are also obese. @WBTV_News

— Caroline Hicks WBTV (@CarolineHicksTV) September 14, 2021

Maybe this should have been really a high point of emphasis when addressing vaccine hesitancy, instead of just talking around it.

I know it has been discussed here at length in the past, but really messaging should have been targeting those at the most risk (like we did for seniors).

I know not perfect, and there are 'healthy' people who end up with severe cases, but I would still think you target the 'likely' potential severe cases.

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There are so many .gifs that I want to use to respond to this.

If the communications would just be honest with the numbers and who is really at risk, you wouldn't have to threaten people to get the vaccine. People respond to honesty and transparency. I'm afraid it's too late for that, however, as the damage is done with all of the fear mongering and flip-flopping on what it is and isn't.

I just don't think it should be this difficult. If you're over 50, you need to take the vaccine. If you're 35-50, take it if you want to. If you are obese, you need the vaccine, at any age. The age stratification and obesity risks have been evident since early last year.

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And yet, that is not the message that is getting put out there for public consumption.

Instead they want children to wear masks to school (indefinitely) and as soon as possible have mandatory vaccines for them as well... but yet, no vaccine mandates for the teachers themselves!

Then they still want mask mandates regardless of vaccination status. When does this madness stop!

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It stops when the frauds that have signs in their yards about science and tell "dissenters" to stop politicizing the virus start following science and stop politicizing the virus.

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Yes... by all means... REMEMBER...."let's keep politics out of this..." LMAO... at least we know where this all started right?

You don't have to wear masks if you are at a BLM riot, a lefty event, a "high end fancy restaurant, a lefty politician or someone who supports lefty causes.

You must wear a mask if you don't agree with anything the left supports and you are "anti-science."

The Masking of the Servant Class: Ugly COVID Images From the Met Gala Are Now Commonplacehttps://t.co/3cyANKaU8D

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 14, 2021

Sorry to hear she's unwell. The mask inside thing is a worthless precaution, IMO, but her vaccination status really is concerning and I make that remark about the general public, not just her. Historically, vaccination is a practice used to promote immunity. It's how we put poliovirus and variola (smallpox) out to pasture. The big picture data on these Covid vaccines, if that's what they are, is a confusing mess.

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So the wife tested positive for 'Ro this morning.

Had a bit of a scratchy throat (thought it was allergies) and since we had a rapid test lying around decided to take it. Later confirmed with a PCR test (I tested negative on both antigen and PCR).

No idea how she got it. No known close contacts with C19+. Fully vaxxed and a rule follower who always wears masks inside since that is our current local rules.

So now the kid is out for at least 2 weeks from school and sports despite not being ill and having no symptoms and 1 dose of vaccine because of a close contact.

Yay science!

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Sorry to hear -- hope she (and you and your kid) stays healthy.
Weird to have no known exposures.

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I find it amusing how during the first weekend of college football the media was up in arms over the crowds. Yet I haven't heard a word about the Met Gala earlier this week or Broadway starting back up last night. Funny.

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It is frustrating -- you should tweet at a couple of those who were guilty of the reaction to CFB stadiums and ask them the difference? I doubt they'd respond, but some may.

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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Given the fact your wife is fully vaccinated, the science tells us she will be infectious for a shorter period of time than someone who is unvaccinated. Personally, I believe your son should be able to test his way out of quarantine starting next Monday, but no one cares what I think.

Regarding the crazy protocols regarding schools, you should be able to appreciate the following video. The person in the mask has a PhD in infectious disease and works for NIAID-NIH.

Mic drop moment. @MSmelkinsonPhD ripping into Montgomery County, MD school board.

They allowed one headache to put 1000 kids into quarantine. Impassioned words from a mother who has the gall to want her kids in school. #OpenTheSchools pic.twitter.com/bENIvduaHC

— Sam Kay (@NYCSamKay) September 14, 2021

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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And I thought my fiasco was bad. I'm sorry, man. That's just an unacceptable proposition, in my opinion. I've never been much of an outspoken individual, but I am building a data set from our local school system regarding last years test scores, current absenteeism and overall risk for children from local hospitals that I intend to take to our next school board meeting. It will probably fall on deaf ears, but some real life statistics and comparisons have to be put into the public realm. There is no argument for keeping a kid out of school for 17 days of instruction with their risk profile.

A couple of weeks ago, I posted a lengthy reply in which I asked - What is the endgame? If the endgame is "zero Covid" then people are living in a fantasy world. Currently, we have a couple of large, well-known universities (Duke and Yale) that appear to be following a zero-Covid approach to their campuses. Both have campuses that have a 99% vaccination rate, but they continue to treat those on campus as potential viral time-bomb.

More & more scientists are saying "we need to learn to live with COVID" instead of demanding COVID-zero (especially with delta). But if a 99% vax'd college campus from mandates (& no severe disease) cannot stop pursuing COVID-zero, that doesn't portend well for off-ramps. https://t.co/Dh1BSrJvQx

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) September 15, 2021

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and her mask doesn't fit very well.

Update from her twitter feed:

Today's update: MCPS scraps insane quarantine guidance!! No longer based on symptoms, tests on site, even considering test-to-stay.

While I believe schools should be normal, this is a HUGE improvement. Our children deserve the best year ever! Parents, WE NEED YOUR VOICES! https://t.co/FExPqIiKxJ

— Margery Smelkinson, Ph.D. (@MSmelkinsonPhD) September 14, 2021

Wayland said:

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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17 days? With no symptoms? And I assume no provision for remote learning? That seems really extreme.

That is Wake Cty? So the other side would be Union County, which effective now, I suppose your kid could be in class tomorrow with no symptoms?

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Wayland said:

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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17 days? With no symptoms? And I assume no provision for remote learning? That seems really extreme.

That is Wake Cty? So the other side would be Union County, which effective now, I suppose your kid could be in class tomorrow with no symptoms?

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Yup. Wake County. For household contact, no illness/symptoms. Earliest test out option is 17 days.

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Update from her twitter feed:

Today's update: MCPS scraps insane quarantine guidance!! No longer based on symptoms, tests on site, even considering test-to-stay.

While I believe schools should be normal, this is a HUGE improvement. Our children deserve the best year ever! Parents, WE NEED YOUR VOICES! https://t.co/FExPqIiKxJ

— Margery Smelkinson, Ph.D. (@MSmelkinsonPhD) September 14, 2021

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It is a shame she had to go to such an extreme. The policy was definitely "insane." As to NC, they should be doing the same thing and allowing those who test-out to remain in class. Supposedly, the federal government provided money to schools in all states for testing, but I doubt they are using this money.

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Wayland said:

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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17 days? With no symptoms? And I assume no provision for remote learning? That seems really extreme.

That is Wake Cty? So the other side would be Union County, which effective now, I suppose your kid could be in class tomorrow with no symptoms?

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Yup. Wake County. For household contact, no illness/symptoms. Earliest test out option is 17 days.

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Can you get by with 7 days if your child lives with a different relative for a week? Say someone who has no children at home and perhaps works from home so they aren't impacted as well.

CMS just left a voicemail the other day that they are setting up the program for testing of teachers and kids in the coming weeks (why it wasn't planned for during the summer....?). We really need to have a better end game and plan than holding kids out of school for almost a month from an exposure.

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Wayland said:

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Here is the NC DHHS guidance for a HEALTH STUDENT who has a household contact:

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The child needs to quarantine since they are not fully vaccinated. The child will have to quarantine for the 10 day isolation PLUS the additional quarantine period of the 7, 10, or 14 days. They should get tested day 15 (day 5 of quarantine period).

However NCDHHS and Wake County Public Health have provided options to reduce quarantine time after an exposure, if you meet the requirements. Health officials stress that to prevent additional exposures, illnesses, and COVID-19 clusters, it is critical for you to closely monitor yourself for any symptoms and stay home if you have experienced symptoms.

• 7 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 7 days if it has been at least 7 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms of illness AND you provide proof that you have a negative antigen** or PCR/Molecular* test result no earlier than 5 days after your last date of exposure AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 10 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 10 days if it has been at least 10 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not experienced any symptoms AND you must continue to monitor yourself for symptoms and strictly follow all required health precautions at school through 14 days after the date of last exposure.
• 14 Day Quarantine Option | You may return after 14 days if it has been 14 days since the last date of exposure AND you have not developed any symptoms of COVID-19.

LIVE WITH SOMEONE DIAGNOSED WITH COVID-19?

If you live with someone who has COVID-19, your quarantine for exposure does not begin until the end of the 10th day of isolation for the person with COVID-19.

• You may return after 17 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 7-day quarantine.
• You may return after 20 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 10-day quarantine.
• You may return after 24 days if you meet all of the requirements of the 14-day quarantine.

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17 ****ING DAY QUARANTINE at a minimum for an exposure. Can't even test out until after 17 days.

My kid can't return to school until the second week of October. Health Depts are a fraud.

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17 days? With no symptoms? And I assume no provision for remote learning? That seems really extreme.

That is Wake Cty? So the other side would be Union County, which effective now, I suppose your kid could be in class tomorrow with no symptoms?

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Yup. Wake County. For household contact, no illness/symptoms. Earliest test out option is 17 days.

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Can you get by with 7 days if your child lives with a different relative for a week? Say someone who has no children at home and perhaps works from home so they aren't impacted as well.

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Good question.

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Can you get by with 7 days if your child lives with a different relative for a week? Say someone who has no children at home and perhaps works from home so they aren't impacted as well.

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I would think so because you are fast forwarding the last date of exposure to the person in question

I hope it helps. Good luck!

Laughing my ass off at the lefties now "complaining" about overreach....

Best wishes to all who have family members fighting Covid or are fighting Covid... But the hypocrisy of some of you on here is typical of the mantra of the left.

"The rules are great as long as I don't have to follow them." And you know who I'm talking to.