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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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San Francisco just had their peak 7 day average for COVID cases. One of the most vaccinated places in the U.S. is running well above the U.S. average for cases and the disease is still spreading with a seasonal surge.

Now, they don't seem to having issues with hospitals being overwhelmed, which is great.

Ole Miss football should play football without any restrictions this fall. They are all vaccinated... some many even still get symptomatic COVID, so?

COVID will continue to spread. Vaccines are readily available for those that wish to mitigate their risk of severe complications. Time to remove the mandate and restriction theater for this now endemic virus.

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InterestingI thought cases were only occurring in the bad ol South, apparently only to white GOP males (amd their kids)?

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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Your sarcasm meter appears to be on the fritz.

Young healthy athletes should not be tested or monitored for COVID, period. We cannot stop a virus from spreading and continuing to pretend as though we can will only continue to distort and disrupt our lives. Unfortunately many progressives see that as a great opportunity.

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Alicia Smith's recent Tweet, sums up my thoughts on the current administration and our health policy leaders very clearly. Here's what she says:

Instead we have these mealy mouthed, talking in circles, confusing guidance from the administration about what we can expect going forward, and have no actual off-ramp from the emergency phase of the pandemic.

— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) August 11, 2021

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Big fan of Alica Smith's work. Unfortunately she is operating under the (mistaken) impression that what is going on is being done in good faith to attempt to deal with a disease as opposed to cynical ploys to panic people into accepting vaccine mandates (and internal movement licenses) as well as the continued suspension of private property rights for political purposes.

“U.K. is closing in on a state of endemic equilibrium, where vaccines mean the virus isn’t likely to fuel significant new waves of sickness as in the past but it can still cause sporadic outbreaks”. Delta leaves immunity in its wake. Control allows living https://t.co/914MtbtlHK

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) August 11, 2021

Daviewolf83 said:

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Wayland said:

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bgr3 said:

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ciscopack said:

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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San Francisco just had their peak 7 day average for COVID cases. One of the most vaccinated places in the U.S. is running well above the U.S. average for cases and the disease is still spreading with a seasonal surge.

Now, they don't seem to having issues with hospitals being overwhelmed, which is great.

Ole Miss football should play football without any restrictions this fall. They are all vaccinated... some many even still get symptomatic COVID, so?

COVID will continue to spread. Vaccines are readily available for those that wish to mitigate their risk of severe complications. Time to remove the mandate and restriction theater for this now endemic virus.

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In summary, what is the "off ramp" to the endless mitigation steps. We were told to get vaccinated and we could return to normal, but new rule - mask up to protect those who chose not to get vaccinated. The vaccines will NOT prevent infection, so if the off ramp is zero-Covid, we will NEVER get to the off ramp.

We were told by the Biden administration that we needed to get 70% of the eligible population vaccinated with a first dose to return to normal. As a nation, we have achieved this milestone. So what did they do - they moved the freaking goalposts. Now it is no kids getting Covid, either at home or in school. We had the Surgeon General actually suggest that parents should wear masks in their home to protect their unvaccinated children - even if the parents are VACCINATED. What is the off ramp?

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... called on pharmaceutical giants to support his demands for 300 million vaccines by the end of the year (2020), then invited his vaccine czar to speak from the podium about how those calls were being met.

"The Federal Government has distributed the vaccines to the states," ... "Now it is up to the states to administer." (2020)

Roughly 58.2% of the US population has received at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose, CDC data shows, and about 49.9% is fully vaccinated. - 6 days ago

Mayo Clinic vaccine tracker by state

Your squad. Your crew. Your pod. Your fam. Your wolfpack.

It's time to add a new one to the list: Your herd.

Herd Immunity: How Many People Need to Get the COVID-19 Vaccine?

What is Herd Immunity and How Can We Achieve It With COVID-19?

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ciscopack said:

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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San Francisco just had their peak 7 day average for COVID cases. One of the most vaccinated places in the U.S. is running well above the U.S. average for cases and the disease is still spreading with a seasonal surge.

Now, they don't seem to having issues with hospitals being overwhelmed, which is great.

Ole Miss football should play football without any restrictions this fall. They are all vaccinated... some many even still get symptomatic COVID, so?

COVID will continue to spread. Vaccines are readily available for those that wish to mitigate their risk of severe complications. Time to remove the mandate and restriction theater for this now endemic virus.

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Fascinating. While I admit to not having paid close attention to the headlines of the major news networks the last couple of days.....THAT is not the impression one would have collected from most news sources, is it?

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Wayland said:

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ciscopack said:

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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San Francisco just had their peak 7 day average for COVID cases. One of the most vaccinated places in the U.S. is running well above the U.S. average for cases and the disease is still spreading with a seasonal surge.

Now, they don't seem to having issues with hospitals being overwhelmed, which is great.

Ole Miss football should play football without any restrictions this fall. They are all vaccinated... some many even still get symptomatic COVID, so?

COVID will continue to spread. Vaccines are readily available for those that wish to mitigate their risk of severe complications. Time to remove the mandate and restriction theater for this now endemic virus.

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InterestingI thought cases were only occurring in the bad ol South, apparently only to white GOP males (amd their kids)?

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Fascinating. While I admit to not having paid close attention to the headlines of the major news networks the last couple of days.....THAT is not the impression one would have collected from most news sources, is it?

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While admittedly they previously had a much smaller peak than most of CONUS, Hawaii is now at over twice the case rate of its previous peak and climbing (although Rt is likely past peak already).

But, seasonality doesn't get clicks.

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ciscopack said:

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Ole Miss Football - 100% vaccinated
Mississippi (the state) - 35%

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Going to be fun when they have positive tests among vaccinated players and guys are kept from going about their lives and forced to engage in health theatre anyway.

Remember when these restrictions were all just until the vaccine was available for everyone??

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There is nothing "fun" about anyone being sick or missing the great game of football! They live in a place that will spread the disease and they are doing their best to live a normal life and enjoy the game that they love. They are trying!

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San Francisco just had their peak 7 day average for COVID cases. One of the most vaccinated places in the U.S. is running well above the U.S. average for cases and the disease is still spreading with a seasonal surge.

Now, they don't seem to having issues with hospitals being overwhelmed, which is great.

Ole Miss football should play football without any restrictions this fall. They are all vaccinated... some many even still get symptomatic COVID, so?

COVID will continue to spread. Vaccines are readily available for those that wish to mitigate their risk of severe complications. Time to remove the mandate and restriction theater for this now endemic virus.

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Happening in Bay Area places where 40-55% are vaccinated...

SOLANO COUNTY, Calif. (KGO) -- Experts say unvaccinated neighborhoods across the Bay Area are driving most of the transmission fueling our fourth COVID-19 surge, and there are a few areas in particular that stand out.

Our data journalism team compiled COVID-19 vaccination rates for zip codes that have at least 5,000 individuals or more that are part of the 12+ vaccine eligible population. The areas that ranked high on the list are pockets of Solano and Alameda counties. The list includes zip codes in Berkeley, Vacaville, Suisun City, Dixon, and Fairfield -- where 45 to 60 percent of the eligible population living in each of these zip codes are not fully vaccinated.

These 5 Bay Area cities may be 'most at risk' for new COVID-19 infections, data shows

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“U.K. is closing in on a state of endemic equilibrium, where vaccines mean the virus isn’t likely to fuel significant new waves of sickness as in the past but it can still cause sporadic outbreaks”. Delta leaves immunity in its wake. Control allows living https://t.co/914MtbtlHK

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) August 11, 2021

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Good to hear!

They're reaching this equilibrium at what, 90% of adults having at least one dose?

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Between 90% and 94% of British adults have some degree of immunity to coronavirus from full or partial vaccination, or prior infection, the U.K. statistics office estimates, based on statistical analysis of blood samples.

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Includes prior infection, one shot, or two shot vaccination.

I don't recall any mention of prior infection counting in our numbers. Do we have an official number from the CDC?

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The CDC estimate as of May was 120.2 million. Looking for updated numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

More on my prediction that the Summer Wave will end in a couple of weeks. How quickly will the mask mandates go away when cases begin to fall? I predict they will remain much longer than they should. Also, let me be clear. The mask mandates will have no effect on when the Summer Wave ends. It will end when the viral cycle says it should end.

Making predictions on anything in this pandemic has been a fool’s errand.

But Missouri is likely the canary in the coal mine as it was first state to have delta outbreak.Over past week or so state has shown consistent signs of plateau/beginning of decline. So that’s a good sign https://t.co/E5LQOoMSZJ

— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) August 11, 2021

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Between 90% and 94% of British adults have some degree of immunity to coronavirus from full or partial vaccination, or prior infection, the U.K. statistics office estimates, based on statistical analysis of blood samples.

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I don't recall any mention of prior infection counting in our numbers. Do we have an official number from the CDC?

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Makes sense since the "partially or fully vaccinated" bucket overlaps with the "prior infection" bucket.

If around 90% of UK adults have been at least partially vaccinated, the proportion of their adult population with some degree of immunity ranges from a bottom threshold of 90% to something more than 90%.

I'd WAG mid-90%'s.

If you look at their total population, they're at around 71% partially or full vaxxed. If you add in "or previously infected," that bumps to what would we guess, around 80% partially or fully vaxxed, or previously infected?

We're at 59% partially or fully vaxxed. Seems like getting another ~35 million Americans vaxxed, to get us up to where the UK is now with partial/full vaccinations may make a big difference in reaching endemic equilibrium.

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More on my prediction that the Summer Wave will end in a couple of weeks. How quickly will the mask mandates go away when cases begin to fall? I predict they will remain much longer than they should. Also, let me be clear. The mask mandates will have no effect on when the Summer Wave ends. It will end when the viral cycle says it should end.

Making predictions on anything in this pandemic has been a fool’s errand.

But Missouri is likely the canary in the coal mine as it was first state to have delta outbreak.Over past week or so state has shown consistent signs of plateau/beginning of decline. So that’s a good sign https://t.co/E5LQOoMSZJ

— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) August 11, 2021

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Davie you may have mentioned this but what is Wake football's masking policy right now? Where have they landed?

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I don't recall any mention of prior infection counting in our numbers. Do we have an official number from the CDC?

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The US now has over 70% with of the eligible population with one dose and likely 10-15% with prior infection in the US. So the US is at 80-85% of the population protected due to the vaccine and prior infection. The UK went through their Delta spike already and have come out the other side. The US will also come out of the other side in a few weeks. This is how viruses work and it is following the same curve we saw last year. The US will have another wave starting in late October. I guarantee we will have one and the news media and talking heads will lose their minds again. They will blame holiday gatherings, like they did this past year, and completely ignore the data that shows the Winter Wave started in late OCTOBER.

I will ask it again - what is the off ramp to this endemic virus?

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Are you sure those numbers are apples to apples Davie?

We're seeing this reported three ways -

% of adults vaxxed
% of eligible population (with the US currently having 12-17 year olds eligible but not considered "adults")
% of population (presumably entire population including all eligible and ineligible for vaccine)

From an apples-to-apples standpoint, the US is lagging England by around 11% in vaccination rate when looking at total population.

The UK is at 71% of their population (not just eligible, total pop) being partially or fully vaxxed so they're probably in that 80%-85% range with some immunity including prior infections.

The US is at 59% of our population partially or fully vaxxed, so we're probably closer to 70%-75% with some level of immunity.

Not trying to be pedantic, but that 10% difference in vax rate between us and the UK could be consequential when we're trying to get to herd immunity or equilibrium or whatever.

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The US now has over 70% with of the eligible population with one dose and likely 10-15% with prior infection in the US. So the US is at 80-85% of the population protected due to the vaccine and prior infection.

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Using the CDC number of 120M infections and an estimated 330M vaccine eligible folks, 15% would be about 50M prior unvaccinated cases. That leaves 70M infections for the vaccinated folks. I suspect that is too high for the vaccinated population. If we assume 66M unvaccinated and 54M vaccinated, then 20% of the population would count towards the prior infection number. That would get us to 90% too.

ETA: I'm not trying to argue. I was playing with the numbers and then posted before reading Civ's posts.

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The US now has over 70% with of the eligible population with one dose and likely 10-15% with prior infection in the US. So the US is at 80-85% of the population protected due to the vaccine and prior infection.

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Using the CDC number of 120M infections and an estimated 330M vaccine eligible folks, 15% would be about 50M prior unvaccinated cases. That leaves 70M infections for the vaccinated folks. I suspect that is too high for the vaccinated population. If we assume 66M unvaccinated and 54M vaccinated, then 20% of the population would count towards the prior infection number. That would get us to 90% too.

ETA: I'm not trying to argue. I was playing with the numbers and then posted before reading Civ's posts.

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It's obviously unknowable but I'd be so curious to know how many true infections we've had including the asymptomatic, undiagnosed cases.

Just how pervasive has this thing been?

And also what percentage of the infected have now been vaxxed.

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More on my prediction that the Summer Wave will end in a couple of weeks. How quickly will the mask mandates go away when cases begin to fall? I predict they will remain much longer than they should. Also, let me be clear. The mask mandates will have no effect on when the Summer Wave ends. It will end when the viral cycle says it should end.

Making predictions on anything in this pandemic has been a fool’s errand.

But Missouri is likely the canary in the coal mine as it was first state to have delta outbreak.Over past week or so state has shown consistent signs of plateau/beginning of decline. So that’s a good sign https://t.co/E5LQOoMSZJ

— Alicia Smith (@Alicia_Smith19) August 11, 2021

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Davie you may have mentioned this but what is Wake football's masking policy right now? Where have they landed?

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Anyone who is fully vaccinated does NOT have to wear a mask, indoors or outdoors. The three unvaccinated players (all other players, coaches, and support staff are vaccinated) have to wear a mask at all times when indoors or outdoors, for all practices, team meetings, and conditioning. Players who are fully vaccinated do NOT get tested, unless they become symptomatic. If they come in contact with a Covid-positive person, they do NOT have to quarantine and are NOT tested after contact.

Hopefully, they will maintain these protocols for the entire season. I am not sure what the ACC protocols will be, but they are supposed to come out next week.

What causes more pediatric hospitalizations - Covid or RSV? Here's the data.

Respiratory Syncytial Virus is another useful reference point: 58,000 child hospitalizations per year from RSV. Current pediatric COVID hospitalization rate (239/day) would need to continue for 240 days straight to match this. https://t.co/mhMWBfrAFh pic.twitter.com/hRWNwWpgts

— Scott J Balsitis (@DrScottBalsitis) August 11, 2021

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Anyone who is fully vaccinated does NOT have to wear a mask, indoors or outdoors. The three unvaccinated players (all other players, coaches, and support staff are vaccinated) have to wear a mask at all times when indoors or outdoors, for all practices, team meetings, and conditioning. Players who are fully vaccinated do NOT get tested, unless they become symptomatic. If they come in contact with a Covid-positive person, they do NOT have to quarantine and are NOT tested after contact.

Hopefully, they will maintain these protocols for the entire season. I am not sure what the ACC protocols will be, but they are supposed to come out next week.

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Thanks. Seems like a sensible approach.

I'll also be curious to know what ACC protocols are.

Wherever the ACC lands, I hope State ends up nearly fully vaccinated like Wake.

Part of me died inside when the Pack9 exited the CWS in the middle of the night and I can't handle that **** again.

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I don't think anyone welcomes the negative outcomes, but here it is. It is a **** situation.

To provide context again and make sure we don't get lost in recency bias.

Here are the cases (reported) vs deaths in NC for the pandemic. While I would certainly expect daily deaths to rise for a few weeks post whenever this peak occurs. The winter peak in deaths was about 10x what the current reported daily death rate is and at this point last year we had almost a 3x times rate.

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Deaths will likely not be as high as previous waves, due to the infection age profile. In past waves, prior to the development of vaccines, they people with severe Covid were those aged 70+ and those with health conditions that made them prone to bad outcomes. As we know, the 81% of the deaths from/with Covid in NC have been those aged 65+. Many of these people already had other severe health issues, so becoming infected with Covid lead to their deaths.

In the current wave, we know the predominant age group hospitalized are those 50-59 years old and while there is still a significant number of people aged 65+ who are hospitalized, it is not to nearly the same level as previous waves. Those who are 59 and younger are likely to have better health conditions than those aged 65+, so their chances of ultimately dying are lower.

Additionally, the 14-day average for the percentage of those hospitalized for Covid that are in ICU (the most severely ill patients) is lower now than it has been historically for the entire pandemic. I believe this will translate into lower deaths per cases than the previous waves.

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Anyone who is fully vaccinated does NOT have to wear a mask, indoors or outdoors. The three unvaccinated players (all other players, coaches, and support staff are vaccinated) have to wear a mask at all times when indoors or outdoors, for all practices, team meetings, and conditioning. Players who are fully vaccinated do NOT get tested, unless they become symptomatic. If they come in contact with a Covid-positive person, they do NOT have to quarantine and are NOT tested after contact.

Hopefully, they will maintain these protocols for the entire season. I am not sure what the ACC protocols will be, but they are supposed to come out next week.

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Thanks. Seems like a sensible approach.

I'll also be curious to know what ACC protocols are.

Wherever the ACC lands, I hope State ends up nearly fully vaccinated like Wake.

Part of me died inside when the Pack9 exited the CWS in the middle of the night and I can't handle that **** again.

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I agree. I do think some masking rules, particularly for indoor masking, could change if Forsyth County enacts an indoor mask mandate. They have not yet, but with Guilford County enacting one that goes into effect at the end of today, I believe it is likely Forsyth County will follow their lead. The same could happen with State if Wake County decides to enact a mask mandate for indoors in the coming days.

I do know the worry the coaches have is related to what happened to State's baseball team. I had a chance to discuss with James last week and I told him this is something I know the coaches are concerned about. To try to avoid vaccinated people from becoming infected, the team does have some restrictions for people from outside the program. As I have posted previously, all media MUST be vaccinated before they are allowed to come in any direct contact with players, coaches, and staff. Additionally, they are required to wear masks during any period they may come in contact with players. This goes for both indoors and outdoors interactions.

At this point, State does not have this restriction on the media, but I would not be surprised if it becomes part of the ACC's protocols for the season. When I was at State's opening day Fall Camp practice last week to photograph the players, I can not recall seeing a single person (player, coach, staff, media member) wearing a mask and we were not asked at all about our vaccinations. I actually had my vaccination card packed in my camera bag, just in case it was requested.

My hospital system's COVID floors are full. That is 50 beds. ICU numbers remain pretty stable currently. Still the same demographics as mentioned previously.