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NYC Mayor: Get vaccinated or get weekly tests & lose pay for off time

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New York City will require all city workers to receive a coronavirus vaccine by the start of the new school year, or to present mandatory weekly coronavirus tests, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced on Monday morning.

The new policy will apply to over 350,000 city workers, including all public school teachers and police officers. About 60 percent of Department of Education workers are vaccinated against coronavirus, a spokeswoman told the Wall Street Journal, while the NYPD said 43 percent of its service members are vaccinated.

Additionally, de Blasio said the city will require unvaccinated employees to wear a mask in indoor settings. Vaccinated employees will not be required to wear a mask if they are able to show proof of vaccination before entering their workplace.

Renee Campion, the city's labor relations commissioner, said that unvaccinated employees who refuse to wear a mask "will not be paid" for days spent out of the office.

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The 40% of teachers and 57% of service members (police, etc) who don't want to be jabbed should organize a strike or other form of protest. Don't give in to this tyranny. Fight it and fight it hard. There a LOT of people who are not going along with this. They are not some "small minority" of people. In many places they are the majority. If enough people stand up to this, this agenda will crumble and either they will back down or won't be able to enforce it. Look, for example, at how even in Los Angeles, the LA County Sherriff said he wouldn't enforce the latest mask mandate. File a ton of lawsuits, and use other forms of pressure to force them to back down.

And where they will not back down, you are going to see a large exodus of the population from these far Left authoritarian cities and states, which has already been accelerating over the last year and a half -- with large numbers of people moving, for example, to states like Florida and Texas due to their policies prohibiting these tyrannical measures.

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

R in NC is 1.33 (.92-1.81), R in our coverage area is 1.33.

PackPA2015 said:

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packgrad said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

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Just let me know how you want to send those funds my way.

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I believe your numbers are accurate. The skew is definitely to the younger population and anyone who does not want to believe it is in denial. Based on the vaccination rates for those 65+, it makes perfect sense.

It is a shift towards the younger and healthier. These individuals were less likely to receive a vaccine, thus are more vulnerable.

I have obviously been a proponent of the vaccine. I have that conversation with every patient I see in the clinic. I had that conversation with every family member and any friend that would ask. I would much rather take my "chances" with the vaccine after being studied in millions of individuals at this point than have COVID. I've seen too many patients struggle or die with it to think otherwise. But it does need to be a personal decision with you, your family, and your provider.

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We have 23 admitted, 2 in ER, and 9 in icu, none intubated

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Those numbers are consistent with what we have seen for most of the pandemic. As a rule, the average number of admitted Covid patients in ICU is 27%. It is currently 28% (14-day average) in all hospitals in NC.

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packgrad said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

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Damn, this could get interesting. PackPA may retire younger than he had planned!

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Every other outlier throughout the pandemic happened in his county. Now young people with no preexisting conditions, or more than one, are the majority needing "serious care". Of course.

Another opinion I have, the hospitalized would be a fraction of what they are without the constant fear porn.

PackPA2015 said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

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Damn, this could get interesting. PackPA may retire younger than he had planned!

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Every other outlier throughout the pandemic happened in his county. Now young people with no preexisting conditions, or more than one, are the majority needing "serious care". Of course.

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I mean, what would I gain by lying about that information?

My county is only at 31% fully vaccinated with 70+% of the fully vaccinated group being 65 and over. Where else does the virus have to go?

Our hospital numbers are running closely with Mormad's overall numbers as well.

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I didn't say you were lying. You said what you heard. Mormad provided stats about his area, not hearsay. They didn't differentiate between young and healthy with no preexisting conditions and otherwise. What are the percentages in your area that are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem that are in the hospital with Covid? How big is your Covid floor? Mormad said 23 admitted, 2 in ER, 9 in ICU. How do your numbers compare, and how many are young with no preexisting conditions?

packgrad said:

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Another opinion I have, the hospitalized would be a fraction of what they are without the constant fear porn.

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That's an interesting opinion. Can you explain?

My numbers are across 4 campuses, so they're not scary at all. Most of them are in my hospital since it's the mother ship.

The only concern is that it has only been a couple of weeks since i posted only 8 admitted with 1 in icu, and that one was just as likely a trauma patient found to have covid.

packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

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Damn, this could get interesting. PackPA may retire younger than he had planned!

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Every other outlier throughout the pandemic happened in his county. Now young people with no preexisting conditions, or more than one, are the majority needing "serious care". Of course.

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I mean, what would I gain by lying about that information?

My county is only at 31% fully vaccinated with 70+% of the fully vaccinated group being 65 and over. Where else does the virus have to go?

Our hospital numbers are running closely with Mormad's overall numbers as well.

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I didn't say you were lying. You said what you heard. Mormad provided stats about his area, not hearsay. They didn't differentiate between young and healthy with no preexisting conditions and otherwise. What are the percentages in your area that are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem that are in the hospital with Covid? How big is your Covid floor? Mormad said 23 admitted, 2 in ER, 9 in ICU. How do your numbers compare, and how many are young with no preexisting conditions?

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That wasn't hearsay. That was directly from a provider on the floor treating those patients. That floor has 25 beds and is full, so 25 total covid patients hospitalized. They are expecting more so they are opening up another floor. There are 540 total beds in our hospital.

The specific examples were cases that stood out to her, because they were so much different than the winter wave.

She did not give me the exact percentage or exact number of individuals that were not obese or had one chronic medical problem or less, but I can try to get that number or percentage if you would like.

Mormad said:

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My numbers are across 4 campuses, so they're not scary at all. Most of them are in my hospital since it's the mother ship.

The only concern is that it has only been a couple of weeks since i posted only 8 admitted with 1 in icu, and that one was just as likely a trauma patient found to have covid.

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That's what opens Pandora's box, and arguably has opened it for much of the pandemic. The part about the one guy was just as likely a trauma patient. Wonder how many Covid patients in ICU are actually trauma patients now. How many in your ER and ICU are young with no preexisting conditions? (I ask that completely not expecting that information to be readily available.)

PackPA2015 said:

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packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Everpack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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We got a new update from our hospital system. COVID floor is currently full and they are going to reopen another COVID floor that they had just converted back to a normal med surg floor about a month ago.

Demographics are younger (40-55) and unvaccinated. Only 2 of the hospitalized were vaccinated - one that was immunocompromised and one that received J&J.

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You probably can't answer this with hard data, but I'd be curious to know how many of those hospitalized 40-55 year olds have a BMI under 35.

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ETA: I got a few answers.

Most (did not get a specific number) are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem (high BP, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc.). Just discharged a 20 y/o without any past medical history home on oxygen, so not fully back to normal. 32 y/o with some anxiety history on 60L/min O2 currently. 50 y/o on 100% high flow O2.

Just a few examples I was able to get. Very, very sick individuals.

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Thanks for the response. That's a massive change in direction for hospitalizations, isn't it? Unless I misinterpret your info, "most" of the patients needing serious care are under the age of 55 and no preexisting health issues, even obesity, should be shouted from the rooftops. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that would make my unvaccinated 37 yo self to reconsider.

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I would bet my retirement that is not accurate.

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Damn, this could get interesting. PackPA may retire younger than he had planned!

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Every other outlier throughout the pandemic happened in his county. Now young people with no preexisting conditions, or more than one, are the majority needing "serious care". Of course.

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I mean, what would I gain by lying about that information?

My county is only at 31% fully vaccinated with 70+% of the fully vaccinated group being 65 and over. Where else does the virus have to go?

Our hospital numbers are running closely with Mormad's overall numbers as well.

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I didn't say you were lying. You said what you heard. Mormad provided stats about his area, not hearsay. They didn't differentiate between young and healthy with no preexisting conditions and otherwise. What are the percentages in your area that are not obese or have more than 1 chronic medical problem that are in the hospital with Covid? How big is your Covid floor? Mormad said 23 admitted, 2 in ER, 9 in ICU. How do your numbers compare, and how many are young with no preexisting conditions?

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That wasn't hearsay. That was directly from a provider on the floor treating those patients. That floor has 25 beds and is full, so 25 total covid patients hospitalized. They are expecting more so they are opening up another floor. There are 1,160 total beds in our hospital.

The specific examples were cases that stood out to her, because they were so much different than the winter wave.

She did not give me the exact percentage or exact number of individuals that were not obese or had one chronic medical problem or less, but I can try to get that number or percentage if you would like.

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We'll just agree to disagree on hearsay.

mdreid said:

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JUST IN - Leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show the "vast majority of hospital #COVID19 cases being diagnosed after admission, in some cases weeks later – suggest it includes large numbers likely to have been admitted for other reasons" (Telegraph)

— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) July 26, 2021

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Not at all surprising.

Mormad said:

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Mormad said:

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Interesting point, but the huge hole in the argument is the then assumed admission despite the assumed lack of admission criteria. Doubt these folks who come to the ED with some level of hysteria or hypochondriasis are admitted based on that fear with a lack of objective findings. The hospital would lose its shirt, and nobody wants these people in the hospital. These patients are already money losers and put the 38% unvaxxed staff at significant risk and vaxxed staff at some small risk. When their vaxxed (and unvaxxed) docs start missing work for even mild cases, their revenues take an even larger hit. Lose lose... These people aren't getting admitted because they're scared. They just fill the ED unnecessarily.

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Are hospitals not admitting and evaluating patients in the ED that show up to the hospital with shortness of breath, coughing, and a positive Covid test (that's what I mean by talking themselves into symptoms).

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They're evaluating them in the ED yes, and only admitting those that meet certain admission criteria, like hypoxemia. Getting seen in the ED because you're scared ain't the same as meeting admission criteria.

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So they're not counted in the Covid hospitalization numbers?

Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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mdreid said:

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JUST IN - Leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show the "vast majority of hospital #COVID19 cases being diagnosed after admission, in some cases weeks later – suggest it includes large numbers likely to have been admitted for other reasons" (Telegraph)

— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) July 26, 2021

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Not at all surprising.

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You do realize how this is VERY different from what we're talking about, right?

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Yes. This thread is not only about what we are discussing right now.

Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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mdreid said:

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JUST IN - Leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show the "vast majority of hospital #COVID19 cases being diagnosed after admission, in some cases weeks later – suggest it includes large numbers likely to have been admitted for other reasons" (Telegraph)

— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) July 26, 2021

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Not at all surprising.

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You do realize how this is VERY different from what we're talking about, right?

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yes, just saw it and thought it was worth sharing, saw another twitter thread about multiple people posting the exact word for word script about just leaving their ER but i decided i'd leave that for Guerilla lol

packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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Interesting point, but the huge hole in the argument is the then assumed admission despite the assumed lack of admission criteria. Doubt these folks who come to the ED with some level of hysteria or hypochondriasis are admitted based on that fear with a lack of objective findings. The hospital would lose its shirt, and nobody wants these people in the hospital. These patients are already money losers and put the 38% unvaxxed staff at significant risk and vaxxed staff at some small risk. When their vaxxed (and unvaxxed) docs start missing work for even mild cases, their revenues take an even larger hit. Lose lose... These people aren't getting admitted because they're scared. They just fill the ED unnecessarily.

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Are hospitals not admitting and evaluating patients in the ED that show up to the hospital with shortness of breath, coughing, and a positive Covid test (that's what I mean by talking themselves into symptoms).

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They're evaluating them in the ED yes, and only admitting those that meet certain admission criteria, like hypoxemia. Getting seen in the ED because you're scared ain't the same as meeting admission criteria.

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So they're not counted in the Covid hospitalization numbers?

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No. An ED evaluation is an encounter. An admission is a hospitalization.

If you go to the ED with an ankle, and the x-rays are negative, and they wrap it and send you home, were you hospitalized?