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In coronavirus news, New Hanover RMC is modifying their visitor policy and now allowing most patients to designate one visitor who can visit them.

https://www.wect.com/2020/08/24/nhrmc-modifies-visiting-restrictions/

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Speaking of CV ramifications and gyms, my brother lives in Wilmington and was able to work out at Planet Fitness. Durham hasn't reopened the one my wife goes to. Wonder if the franchisee down there said damn the man.

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I went by the Planet Fitness I go to and it did not look like it had opened up here in Raleigh. There are only two states that have not opened gyms. New Jersey, who I believe was getting ready to open theirs and of course North Carolina.

I don't know if people have been following the saga of the Atillis Gym in Belmawr, NJ. The owners went along with the closure for two weeks, but then said screw it and opened back up. The State and local Governments have tried over and over to close them down, but they keep opening up and damn the consequences. Last week they designated their gym as a campaign spot for the Republican Senate Candidate and the state cannot shut those down. Those guys have stood up for their Constitutional rights and they will win.

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Speaking of CV ramifications and gyms, my brother lives in Wilmington and was able to work out at Planet Fitness. Durham hasn't reopened the one my wife goes to. Wonder if the franchisee down there said damn the man.

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I went by the Planet Fitness I go to and it did not look like it had opened up here in Raleigh. There are only two states that have not opened gyms. New Jersey, who I believe was getting ready to open theirs and of course North Carolina.

I don't know if people have been following the saga of the Atillis Gym in Belmawr, NJ. The owners went along with the closure for two weeks, but then said screw it and opened back up. The State and local Governments have tried over and over to close them down, but they keep opening up and damn the consequences. Last week they designated their gym as a campaign spot for the Republican Senate Candidate and the state cannot shut those down. Those guys have stood up for their Constitutional rights and they will win.

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That is fantastic. I followed early in their story but I have to detach from some of this stuff sometimes. It's infuriating. Glad to see the good guys winning.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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packgrad said:

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Speaking of CV ramifications and gyms, my brother lives in Wilmington and was able to work out at Planet Fitness. Durham hasn't reopened the one my wife goes to. Wonder if the franchisee down there said damn the man.

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Well, the Twitter function doesnt want to work, so heres the link

Guess were not following science anymore

Edit: I give up, its copied below

[url=https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9][/url]Joe Bruno

@JoeBrunoWSOC9
[url=https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9][/url]


Governor Roy Cooper: "We want more people to get tested." Governor Cooper says the state wants asymptomatic people who have been in close contact with COVID-19 positive cases to get tested

Dr. Cohen:
"The CDC has changed their guidance. North Carolina has not."

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No kidding. As I was watching the briefing, I scrolled through my Facebook feed and found a nice sponsored ad from NC DHHS directing me where I could find free testing in my area. They REALLY want me to get tested.

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LOL. Slowly but surely more people are not giving a ****. Which is why the testing is down. Now that CDC has changed guidelines they are in panic mode to keep this thing going. My wife got a rapid test to be on the safe side over the weekend. Turns out we had a case of the good ole fashion rhinovirus (cold) in our house. Everyone got sick but me. My children brought it home from school. Called pediatrician... nurse wasn't even worried about COVID. Said if anything we need to test for strep... that was bad right now.

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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It does invalidate the fact that these people may be getting paid more to not work than go to work, BECAUSE THEY CAN"T ****ING GO TO WORK A MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHILE THEY HAVE A KID THAT ISN"T ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL

There's too many people that are fine with corporations getting billions of dollars of bailouts while being concerned that some minimum wage worker is getting enough money to help them pay rent for the month.

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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It does invalidate the fact that these people may be getting paid more to not work than go to work, BECAUSE THEY CAN"T ****ING GO TO WORK A MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHILE THEY HAVE A KID THAT ISN"T ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL

There's too many people that are fine with corporations getting billions of dollars of bailouts while being concerned that some minimum wage worker is getting enough money to help them pay rent for the month.

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statefan91 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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It does invalidate the fact that these people may be getting paid more to not work than go to work, BECAUSE THEY CAN"T ****ING GO TO WORK A MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHILE THEY HAVE A KID THAT ISN"T ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL

There's too many people that are fine with corporations getting billions of dollars of bailouts while being concerned that some minimum wage worker is getting enough money to help them pay rent for the month.

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packgrad said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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It does invalidate the fact that these people may be getting paid more to not work than go to work, BECAUSE THEY CAN"T ****ING GO TO WORK A MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHILE THEY HAVE A KID THAT ISN"T ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL

There's too many people that are fine with corporations getting billions of dollars of bailouts while being concerned that some minimum wage worker is getting enough money to help them pay rent for the month.

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Talk to your governor and school systems and demand they reopen schools. Tell them to listen to science. People need to get back to work.

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Nothing you've posted invalidates what he said. If you want to turn it into a larger discussion about wage disparity, make a thread.

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It does invalidate the fact that these people may be getting paid more to not work than go to work, BECAUSE THEY CAN"T ****ING GO TO WORK A MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHILE THEY HAVE A KID THAT ISN"T ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL

There's too many people that are fine with corporations getting billions of dollars of bailouts while being concerned that some minimum wage worker is getting enough money to help them pay rent for the month.

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Talk to your governor and school systems and demand they reopen schools. Tell them to listen to science. People need to get back to work.

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What in the past 6 months of this thread has given you the impression I haven't been doing those things? It's not mutually exclusive to want to let kids back in school AND hope that those who can't go to work have enough money to pay their rent.

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8/15/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
143,706
NC Deaths
2343
Currently Hospitalized
1032 <- 91% reporting (was 1049 at 90% yesterday)
Completed Tests
1,903,401

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1216 Deaths are now Congregate (+20)
376 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+30 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

751 Deaths assumed General Population (+8)
1592 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+20)

344 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+6)
Nursing Homes 183 -> 186
Resident Care 99 -> 101
Correctional 44 -> 45
Other 12 -> 12
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WRAL is at 2321* deaths

1536 positive cases over 26713* new tests. 5.9% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 25999 but DHHS claims only 24270 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/15
8/14(2), 8/13(4), 8/12(5), 8/11(5), 8/10, 8/9, 8/8, 8/6(2), 8/4, 8/1, 7/24, 7/22, 7/16, 7/14, 7/13(2), 7/10

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8/16/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
144,952
NC Deaths
2347
Currently Hospitalized
934 <- 80% reporting (was 1032 at 91% yesterday) MAHPC only 31%
Completed Tests
1,924,646

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1217 Deaths are now Congregate (+1)
377 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+4 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

753 Deaths assumed General Population (+2)
1594 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+2)

345 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 186 -> 187
Resident Care 101 -> 101
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 12 -> 12
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WRAL is at 2376* deaths

1246 positive cases over 21205* new tests. 5.9% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 22205 but DHHS claims only 20338 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/16
8/14, 8/12(2), 8/11, 8/9

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8/17/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
145,516
NC Deaths
2348
Currently Hospitalized
980 <- 85% reporting (was 934 at 80% yesterday MAHPC only 31%)
Completed Tests
1,935,472

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1218 Deaths are now Congregate (+1)
377 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+1 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

753 Deaths assumed General Population (+0)
1595 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+1)

345 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+0)
Nursing Homes 187 -> 187
Resident Care 101 -> 101
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 12 -> 12
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WRAL is at 2376* deaths

564 positive cases over 10826* new tests. 5.2% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 10826 but DHHS claims only 10302 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/17
One Death Added With Missing Date

Looks like for deaths Meck and Wake were both +1 and Durham was -1 for a Net of 1.

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8/18/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
146,779
NC Deaths
2396
Currently Hospitalized
1026 <- 85% reporting (was 980 at 85%)
Completed Tests
1,951,120

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1237 Deaths are now Congregate (+19)
389 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+12)
+48 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

770 Deaths assumed General Population (+17)
1626 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+31)

344 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 187 -> 186
Resident Care 101 -> 105
Correctional 45 -> 43
Other 12 -> 10
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WRAL is at 2377* deaths

1263 positive cases over 15648* new tests. 8.1% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 15648 but DHHS claims only 10048 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/18
8/17(3), 8/16(10), 8/15(10), 8/14(9), 8/13(2), 8/12(3), 8/9(2), 8/8(2), 8/7(2), 8/3, 7/25, 7/6, and 3/12(Checking This)
1 additional missing date of death.

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8/19/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
147,932
NC Deaths
2431
Currently Hospitalized
1001 <- 91% reporting (was 1026 at 93%)
Completed Tests
1,978,094

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1247 Deaths are now Congregate (+10)
394 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+5)
+35 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

790 Deaths assumed General Population (+20)
1641 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+15)

343 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 186 -> 188
Resident Care 105 -> 102
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 10 -> 10
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WRAL is at 2438* deaths

1153 positive cases over 26974* new tests. 4.3% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 26974 but DHHS claims only 26323 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/19
8/18(6), 8/17(9), 8/16(5), 8,15(2) 8/14, 8/13(2), 8/12(2), 8/11, 8/7(2), 8/6, 7/29
3 new missing dates of death for 6 total

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8/20/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
149,904
NC Deaths
2465
Currently Hospitalized
1023 <- 91% reporting (was 1001 at 91%)
Completed Tests
2,003,307

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1262 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
401 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+7)
+34 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

802 Deaths assumed General Population (+12)
1663 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+22)

347 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+4)
Nursing Homes 188 -> 188
Resident Care 102 -> 105
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 10 -> 11
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WRAL is at 2463* deaths

1972 positive cases over 25213* new tests. 7.8% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 25213 but DHHS claims only 21375 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/20
8/19(3), 8/18(8), 8/17(6), 8/16(3), 8/15(2), 8/14, 8/13(2), 8/12(3), 8/11, 8/10(3), 8/8, 8/7, 8/6, 8/1, 7/29, 7/20
One Death REMOVED 7/28

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8/21/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
151.912
NC Deaths
2494
Currently Hospitalized
1015 <- 90% reporting (was 1023 at 91%)
Completed Tests
2,030,885

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1271 Deaths are now Congregate (+9)
413 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+12)
+29 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

810 Deaths assumed General Population (+8)
1684 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+21)

354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+7)
Nursing Homes 188 -> 192
Resident Care 105 -> 108
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 11 -> 11
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WRAL is at 2487* deaths

2008 positive cases over 27587* new tests. 7.3% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 27587 but DHHS claims only 22076 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/21
8/20(3), 8/19(9), 8/18(9), 8/16(2), 8/15(2), 8/13, 8/11, 8/5, 7/15(3)
One added date from missing

Deaths REMOVED
8/14, 5/16

Cases definitely up this week.

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8/22/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
153,641
NC Deaths
2521
Currently Hospitalized
996 <- 92% reporting (was 1015 at 90%)
Completed Tests
2,052,118

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1285 Deaths are now Congregate (+14)
415 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+27 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

821 Deaths assumed General Population (+11)
1700 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+16)

361 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+7)
Nursing Homes 192 -> 195
Resident Care 108 -> 109
Correctional 43 -> 46
Other 11 -> 11
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WRAL is at xxxx* deaths

1729 positive cases over 21233* new tests. 8.1% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 21233 but DHHS claims only 16919 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/22
8/21(6), 8/20(5), 8/19, 8/18(5), 8/15, 8/14(2) 8/13, 8/12, 8/11, 8/10, 8/9, 8/8, 8/7(2), 8/6

One Death Removed
6/13

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8/23/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
155,113
NC Deaths
2531
Currently Hospitalized
898 <- 84% reporting (was 996 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,078,472

CONGREGATE NOT UPDATED BY DHHS
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1285 Deaths are now Congregate (+x)
415 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+x)
+10 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

821 Deaths assumed General Population (+x)
1700 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+x)

361 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+x)
Nursing Homes 195 -> xxx
Resident Care 109 -> xxx
Correctional 46 -> xx
Other 11 -> xx
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WRAL is at 2552* deaths

1472 positive cases over 21233* new tests. 5.6% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 26354 but DHHS claims only 21567 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/23
8/22(3), 8/21(4), 8/20, 8/16
One Additional Missing Date

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8/24/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
156,396
NC Deaths
2535
Currently Hospitalized
948 <- 83% reporting (was 898 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,087,695

CONGREGATE NOT UPDATED BY DHHS on 8/23.
BELOW IS 2 DAY CHANGE 8/23 and 8/24
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1287 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
420 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+5)
+4 Deaths Overall since yesterday. (+10 on 8/23)

828 Deaths assumed General Population (+7)
1707 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+7)

365 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+4)
Nursing Homes 195 -> 199
Resident Care 109 -> 109
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 11 -> 11
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WRAL is at 2562* deaths

1283 positive cases over 9223* new tests. 14% positive rate. <- college outbreak testing(?)

Delta completed tests 9223 but DHHS claims only 9003 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/24
8/23, 8/22(3)

Reviewing additional data

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8/25/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
157,741
NC Deaths
2570
Currently Hospitalized
1000 <- 92% reporting (was 898 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,102,359


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1302 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
430 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+10)
+35 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

838 Deaths assumed General Population (+10)
1732 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+25)

371 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+6)
Nursing Homes 199 -> 202
Resident Care 109 -> 110
Correctional 46 -> 48
Other 11 -> 11
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WRAL is at 2574* deaths

1345 positive cases over 14644* new tests. 9.2% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 14644 but DHHS claims only 8467 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/25
8/24(3), 8/23(8), 8/21(10), 8/20(7), 8/15(2), 8/2

Four new MISSING Dates of Death (now 6 total).

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8/26/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases
158,985
NC Deaths
2606
Currently Hospitalized
1004 <- 90% reporting (was 1000 at 92%)
Completed Tests
2,121,001


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1323 Deaths are now Congregate (+21)
437 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+7)
+36 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

846 Deaths assumed General Population (+8)
1760 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+28)

358 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-13)
Nursing Homes 202 -> 196
Resident Care 110 -> 105
Correctional 48 -> 45
Other 11 -> 12
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WRAL is at 2599* deaths

1244 positive cases over 18642* new tests. 6.7% positive rate.

Delta completed tests 18642 but DHHS claims only 15303 completed tests

Dates of Death Reported 8/26
8/25(6), 8/24(11), 8/23(10), 8/22(2), 8/21(3), 8/20, 8/19, 8/15, 8/11, 8/9, 8/8, 8/5, 8/4

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dogplasma said:

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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dogplasma said:

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Pacfanweb said:

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dogplasma said:

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Every death sucks but we are beating every model that was out in the spring. They were talking 240,000 by August 1st in part of that low range.

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Pacfanweb said:

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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I think deaths are for sure over counted, but "excess death" studies do show a lot more people have died this year than years past. Life insurance claims at my company are much, much higher than normal.
Is the true number 50% of the reported total? 75%? I really don't know

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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I think deaths are for sure over counted, but "excess death" studies do show a lot more people have died this year than years past. Life insurance claims at my company are much, much higher than normal.
Is the true number 50% of the reported total? 75%? I really don't know

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Looks like we're cruising for a national death toll of a quarter million or more by the end of the year - possibly the third leading cause of death nationally behind cancer and heart disease.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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I think deaths are for sure over counted, but "excess death" studies do show a lot more people have died this year than years past. Life insurance claims at my company are much, much higher than normal.
Is the true number 50% of the reported total? 75%? I really don't know

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Some studies are attributing some of the excess death number as "Lockdown Deaths". Meaning people that died due to lockdowns; for example people not getting proper care or medication in March & April when hospitals were shutdown, increase in drug overdoses and suicides, etc. It certainly doesn't account for all of the unaccounted for excess deaths but some believe it is a good chunk of them.

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I'm sure the total death statistic isn't perfect, but any number anywhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 will be pretty shocking. That's not just a percentage above a really bad flu season, that's many times above. And it could accelerate when the flu season hits, as I'm sure everyone in this thread already knows.

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Assuming that the virus was the primary cause of death. Which in many cases, I believe it was probably not. Dying with covid-19 versus dying from covid-19 are two entirely different things. Might be a couple of years before we sort all that out, if ever.

It is my belief that many of the deaths are from people that would have died anyway, and it would have just been listed as caused by something else. But since covid-19 hit, that gets the credit deserved or not.

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While I believe there is some truth in this, I believe strongly this doesn't happen enough to explain away the Rona as the 3rd leading COD. Damn, may be the first time I've ever disagreed with you.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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The media definitely has an agenda and are definitely trying to politicize this pandemic, as evidenced by the latest "Breaking News" Tweet by WRAL.

Here is the comment I posted back to their Tweet:

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Daviewolf83 said:

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The media definitely has an agenda and are definitely trying to politicize this pandemic, as evidenced by the latest "Breaking News" Tweet by WRAL.

Here is the comment I posted back to their Tweet:

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