#Pack9 vs unc-ch May 14-16 (H-S) 7pm, 7pm. 2pm. ACC Network

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BBADWOLF#1
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Blow it up! Bullpen is a joke! Chrysler should be fired now!
getwicked
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17-7? Oooff
PGAWolf
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At some point you have to have a pair of nuts and bring in a meaningful arm in a close game, even if you're down.

Bringing in Peisel might have been the dumbest decision I have ever seen Avent make. I can't remember one putting where JP hasn't been shelled. He couldn't make it out of the 1st inning against freaking Lafayette yet let's bring him in in the biggest moment of the year.
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Wake me up when Avent retires ….good night
Find joy …respect the athletes.
BSR2016
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Show some pride tomorrow and pull one out. Much more favorable pitching matchup as previously mentioned

Win a 2nd game against VT or Stanford and we're feeling a little differently
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BBADWOLF#1 said:

Blow it up! Bullpen is a joke! Chrysler should be fired now!


Careful. A lot of people think Chrysler is very good at his job
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pack2010 said:

BBADWOLF#1 said:

Blow it up! Bullpen is a joke! Chrysler should be fired now!


Careful. A lot of people think Chrysler is very good at his job

Or they remember the Foxhall years... -shudder-
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ICW Wolf
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PGAWolf said:

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ICW Wolf said:

Heath was fantastic last night.
I am not sure how we landed where we have with this bullpen.


It's a combination of things. Losing two guys who you were planning on accounting for 45% of your innings pitched each weekend really hurts.

Playing from behind hurts. When you're already thin you can't throw Nance in a game you're losing 6-4.

Manuel, Kitchings, Black, Heintz. All of these guys have showed potential but just haven't been good.

Then this staff relied way too much on Dudan and Mahron in the weak non conference. No reason they should have been throwing 110 pitches against Princeton. Should have taken that time to develop some younger guys.


Even with Dudan and Marohn this pen is a mess. Too many guys who are misses because of lack of command.

Getting to use 2 of Consiglio/Hemric/Andrews as bullpen arms in addition to Nance & Garino is as good top end as many ACC teams.

Plus, you likely get to use Nance 2x a weekend more often vs. one extended outing if he's following Marohn on Fridays first out.

Then you get the emergence of a young guy like Ragusa and you have as good of a weekend rotation and bullpen as you can ask for.

Look at UNC as the shining example - Decaro is good (Marohn is better IMO). We will probably see Lynch tonight and Dudan blows him away. Then they have Boaz next who is no good at all. Behind that they have two guys in Glauber (Nance > slightly IMO) & McDuffie (Better than Garino for sure, but better than Cig?) who throw 2-3 times a weekend and Matthijs who is just solid, but doesn't blow you away and doesn't pitch very often. They've won 21 conference games and are 2nd in the country with 5 guys throwing 84% of their innings.



When fully healthy I think the two pitching staffs are pretty even.

The difference is the offense. Your staff has given you a chance in just about every series even with the injuries.

The GT series is the perfect example. How many teams have the horses to hold them to 9 runs in the first two games at their place. Yet you lose both games 3-1 and 6-4.
UNC wins the first two games against GT because their offense was able to score 5 runs in the first game and 14 in the second.


They are bringing dudes out of the pen that are amongst the highest rated guys in NC coming out of HS. We have 1 dude out of the pen and that wouldn't have changed regardless of injury.


I guess I just don't look at yesterday and think the bullpen was the problem. It was the offense and defense.


Pitching is the problem period. The rest of it ain't great either.
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PGAWolf said:

At some point you have to have a pair of nuts and bring in a meaningful arm in a close game, even if you're down.

Bringing in Peisel might have been the dumbest decision I have ever seen Avent make. I can't remember one putting where JP hasn't been shelled. He couldn't make it out of the 1st inning against freaking Lafayette yet let's bring him in in the biggest moment of the year.


Peisel is no different Jan any other arm not named Nance out of the pen. None of them are ready for their role.
BBADWOLF#1
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Boo will be making a hire soon
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BBADWOLF#1 said:

Boo will be making a hire soon
Yeah they just named the clubhouse after coach Avent the only baseball hire boo will be making Is maybe a new janitor. Until he decides to retire avents not being replaced. Just a fact.
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State wouldn't be in this spot if they had taken care of business when Marohn and Dudan were healthy. Instead, they were 7-6 in ACC play with them and lost to 3 of the worst teams known to man in non-conf play
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I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.
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Mahaya said:

I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.


More money is always good but I'm not sure why it matters in this scenario? What's the issue? State has more than enough talent. They've averaged 5 draft picks per year since covid and are set for like 8 this year. Isn't that the whole point of having money?
JCooke93
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Exactly
Pack31
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If Avent retires(and i think he should/would be given the option), and not let go or forced out)....is the BC coach an option? Seems to do more with less than anyone Ive seen in a while.
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EthanBarry said:

Mahaya said:

I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.


More money is always good but I'm not sure why it matters in this scenario? What's the issue? State has more than enough talent. They've averaged 5 draft picks per year since covid and are set for like 8 this year. Isn't that the whole point of having money?

UNC has a 3.64 ERA. NC State has a 5.39 ERA. I would imagine that's about the $ available to acquire talent and depth in the pitching staff. It matters.
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NC State will wrap up the regular season on Saturday, May 15th, at 2 p.m. on ACCNX. It will be Senior Day as the Wolfpack honors seven seniors: Dalton Bargo, Brayden Fraasman, Drew Lanphere, Wyatt Peifer, Danny Heintz, Julien Peissel, and Landon Carr.
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FLWolf
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UNC is just a lot better in all areas-definitely a top 8 team and hosting supers if they get there

Can they compete with top SEC teams?? Not sure yet but GT and UNC look like real players
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Mahaya said:

EthanBarry said:

Mahaya said:

I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.


More money is always good but I'm not sure why it matters in this scenario? What's the issue? State has more than enough talent. They've averaged 5 draft picks per year since covid and are set for like 8 this year. Isn't that the whole point of having money?

UNC has a 3.64 ERA. NC State has a 5.39 ERA. I would imagine that's about the $ available to acquire talent and depth in the pitching staff. It matters.


It's about HS recruiting. None of those UNC guys are portal guys.
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ICW Wolf said:

Mahaya said:

EthanBarry said:

Mahaya said:

I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.


More money is always good but I'm not sure why it matters in this scenario? What's the issue? State has more than enough talent. They've averaged 5 draft picks per year since covid and are set for like 8 this year. Isn't that the whole point of having money?

UNC has a 3.64 ERA. NC State has a 5.39 ERA. I would imagine that's about the $ available to acquire talent and depth in the pitching staff. It matters.


It's about HS recruiting. None of those UNC guys are portal guys.

And guess what, you need $ for top HS guys too.
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Mahaya said:

ICW Wolf said:

Mahaya said:

EthanBarry said:

Mahaya said:

I don't really keep up with baseball but one thing I know. UNC baseball has a lot more $ than NC State Baseball. This will be Avent's final season, but unless the $ situation changes it won't matter who Boo hires.


More money is always good but I'm not sure why it matters in this scenario? What's the issue? State has more than enough talent. They've averaged 5 draft picks per year since covid and are set for like 8 this year. Isn't that the whole point of having money?

UNC has a 3.64 ERA. NC State has a 5.39 ERA. I would imagine that's about the $ available to acquire talent and depth in the pitching staff. It matters.


It's about HS recruiting. None of those UNC guys are portal guys.

And guess what, you need $ for top HS guys too.


Other than 2B their entire infield is portal/JUCO. None were really big ticket portal guys that cost a mint.

RF was a walk on. CF was a portal kid from George mason. Their C was a portal addition from Ga State and another C came from duke and he's been DH'ng.

Their pitching staff (minus the lefty from last night) is homegrown from HS but none were highly ranked to the point it costs a mint in NIL to get them.

I totally agree we need to spend more money and Elliott is too old school to do that. Hart or whomever takes over will try to raise money, they have to.

Baseball is different in that the truly top HS guys get drafted and don't attend college. Guys like Ty Head got some money but it ain't football/basketball type money. Unc ain't spending too much more than us, IMO. Problem is it's more, which I think is your point.




JCooke93
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Emotional day
Wolfpack91
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Time to salvage one game vs UNC.
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JCooke93 said:

Emotional day


I see what you have been putting down. I guess we will find out pretty soon - unfortunately it looks like we will find out sooner than later.
ICW Wolf
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This is a good post.
Money always matters but it is about much more than money in baseball. While Coastal has an amazing facility and with it comes fan attendance and revenue, if it was only about money, they certainly wouldn't be kicking Clemson and USC ass right now. Recruiting in baseball is so much about what you put into it over what money you have - now facilities and player development stuff does matter too.

To keep things focused on baseball and not on State or its staff, in general there are staffs who work really hard on the recruiting trail and there are staffs that don't. An example of a staff that works really hard is ECU - Palumbo is everywhere. Their camp arrangement is 2nd to none.
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I do think the athletic department/coaching staff/whoever needs to put more public effort into fundraising (I'm sure there's work going on behind the scenes). But in the 5ish years now of NIL, we've had one NIL dinner/fundraiser, we went like 2 years without any real update on the Doak renovations, etc. We don't do a great job of incentivizing fans to donate to baseball.

The easiest ask IMO is that whoever is in charge of the program next year needs to push the admin to bringing some of the tailgate culture over from football into baseball. Space beyond LF with Lee Field, plenty of parking in lots around there for weekend games. I would love for there to be a focus on improving the overall fan experience at/around games. Hell - if drinking on campus is too big of a deterrent- see if you can set up pregame a pregame bus or two to bring people over from Sammy's, Amedeo's, or PR.

Going to games like last night where there's an actual buzz before the game are too few. Carolina series this year, Clemson last year, UNC/Wake in 2024. We have 1-2 series a year where it seems like the casual fans care.

I love going to Doak, but unless you're a die hard Pack9 fan, we have never seemed interested in appealing to the casual baseball fan in the area or casual NC State fan.

Hope we get this one today and can make noise in the ACCT, but will be an interesting path forward if we have a coaching search this offseason.
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wroncsu said:

I do think the athletic department/coaching staff/whoever needs to put more public effort into fundraising (I'm sure there's work going on behind the scenes). But in the 5ish years now of NIL, we've had one NIL dinner/fundraiser, we went like 2 years without any real update on the Doak renovations, etc. We don't do a great job of incentivizing fans to donate to baseball.

The easiest ask IMO is that whoever is in charge of the program next year needs to push the admin to bringing some of the tailgate culture over from football into baseball. Space beyond LF with Lee Field, plenty of parking in lots around there for weekend games. I would love for there to be a focus on improving the overall fan experience at/around games. Hell - if drinking on campus is too big of a deterrent- see if you can set up pregame a pregame bus or two to bring people over from Sammy's, Amedeo's, or PR.

Going to games like last night where there's an actual buzz before the game are too few. Carolina series this year, Clemson last year, UNC/Wake in 2024. We have 1-2 series a year where it seems like the casual fans care.

I love going to Doak, but unless you're a die hard Pack9 fan, we have never seemed interested in appealing to the casual baseball fan in the area or casual NC State fan.

Hope we get this one today and can make noise in the ACCT, but will be an interesting path forward if we have a coaching search this offseason.


Completely agree. Even Thursday night it was a pretty docile crowd because the tickets are accessible enough to younger fans and students. Season tickets go to the old crowd and are completely sold out by late fall each year. Need more student engagement and some of your suggestions like LF are in line with that.
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ICW Wolf said:

JCooke93 said:

Emotional day


I see what you have been putting down. I guess we will find out pretty soon - unfortunately it looks like we will find out sooner than later.

At the latest it may be just after the ACCT.
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I don't follow baseball much but I was wondering how easy or hard it is for the average fan to hit a game up? I heard mix reviews.
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He probably won't but Nance has to start today
Nairo
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I could see Elliott taking an emeritus role in the athletics department while handing over the head coach and managerial duties to a successor. His entire life is NC State baseball, no children or grandchildren, and I think there is a way he can hang around the department, be an ambassador of the program and handle former player/alumni relations.
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ncsupack1 said:

I don't follow baseball much but I was wondering how easy or hard it is for the average fan to hit a game up? I heard mix reviews.

Seatgeek for today.
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ncsupack1 said:

I don't follow baseball much but I was wondering how easy or hard it is for the average fan to hit a game up? I heard mix reviews.


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