wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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Bas2020 said:

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Yeah.... I dont get the "follow the rules" crowd without questioning the absurdity of the rule.


James hates the "block charge rule" in basketball but doesnt blame our coaches and players for not learning and executing the art of the flop.


IF the rule in public schools was for your child to sit in a school closet 30 min per day would you say "well those are the rules"... or would your question/fight it?


UNC broke every rule imaginable with the NCAA and fought it.....since when do NCAA rules matter ?

You think this "July 1" transfer portal rule is going to be a rule that is followed? Let's sit back and watch....

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If a vaccinated player with COVID is so dangerous to other athletes in their 20s, why not test all of them? Does anyone really think Miss St or Vandy wouldn't pop a few positives also?

There may not have been anything we could do but you can at least seem upset. Geez.

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Please stop using logic in your reasoning.

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6 ft for more than 15 minutes.......that is the timeline for contact tracing.....if that did not happen then those people do not need to be tested....

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None of them should need to be tested. If you play a game against Vanderbilt and there is no 6 foot for 15 minutes, so they don't get tested, why does it matter? Why can't you play a second game? Especially if you tested negative? The whole thing is ridiculous.

As for those of you saying the rules are the rules. There are tons of rules that get pushed back on for stupidity. Why do we roll over and take it vs fighting like other schools? Does anyone think UNC followed the rules in the cheating scandal? Find a loophole and let your best team ever play for the national championship. Grow a pair of balls and call out the hypocrisy. Stand up against contact tracing rules that make no sense.

Fact is we didnt because it is politically incorrect to say anything about COVID or contact tracing.

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Gravis said:

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They flew on a charter.

The positive players were sent by bus.

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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then you just refuse to take off your wolfpack fan glasses. who in the world is still confused about the covid rules and protocol the ncaa sent out? it couldn't be more straightforward and clear. agree with them or not, nothing about it is remotely difficult to interpret. furthermore, they were applied to us exactly how they laid them out. you didn't see a fight from boo because we didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it.

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wilmwolf80 said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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then you just refuse to take off your wolfpack fan glasses. who in the world is still confused about the covid rules and protocol the ncaa sent out? it couldn't be more straightforward and clear. agree with them or not, nothing about it is remotely difficult to interpret. furthermore, they were applied to us exactly how they laid them out. you didn't see a fight from boo because we didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it.

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There are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people who aren't wearing Wolfpack fan glasses that have a big problem with how this all went down. I'm one of the most objective people on this board, my opinion is not being clouded by my fandom. I appreciate your input, and understand you position. I do not agree with it.

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Packsd14me said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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then you just refuse to take off your wolfpack fan glasses. who in the world is still confused about the covid rules and protocol the ncaa sent out? it couldn't be more straightforward and clear. agree with them or not, nothing about it is remotely difficult to interpret. furthermore, they were applied to us exactly how they laid them out. you didn't see a fight from boo because we didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it.

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There are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people who aren't wearing Wolfpack fan glasses that have a big problem with how this all went down. I'm one of the most objective people on this board, my opinion is not being clouded by my fandom. I appreciate your input, and understand you position. I do not agree with it.

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those tens of thousands have a problem with the hypocrisy of it all. they're outraged that the rules (or lack thereof) that we all go by in every day life wasn't applied to our players in this setting. i have a problem with hypocrisy of it all. the "rule followers" on this board have a problem with it.

it's an entirely separate issue from understanding what went down with our team in omaha.

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So instead of taking time to see how they applied their rules, they let it affect the integrity of their National Championship by kicking out a team that earned the right to be there without a review of how to apply these rules and what is in the NCAA's best interest and college baseball. Drastic times calls for drastic measures. They failed here as a leader. That is my issue. Delay the tournament until at least they try to figure out a fair solution. It's no different than a rain delay. They didn't. They just threw our arguably their best team.

Do you think that happens to Duke, Kentucky, UNC or Kansas in basketball? I don't. They simply say, in the event to find a true champion.....here is what we are going to do. I have run large tournaments before, making changes on the fly. Treat everyone the same and everyone understands changes to schedule and rulings that are made. We aren't important enough to them to force them to make a change to rules when a consequence that is likely not thought about when writing the rules happens. We were given the shaft. Everyone should be treated them same. No one had advanced as far as we had in a tournament to be ousted. They were wimpy and wrong here. As usual with the NCAA, bad leadership.

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aqasaw234 said:

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going into this thing espn executives would've had their fingers crossed for a vandy/texas cws finals. that would be the biggest ratings draw for them. same for the ncaa. the bigger the tv ratings the more leverage they have in the next contact negotiations.

it's not about the vanderbilt fan base. vanderbilt has two big big big time star players that will draw eyeballs to espn just because they're on the mound. i promise you espn is giddy that rocker will be on the mound tonight in a winner take all game 3 situation.

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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then you just refuse to take off your wolfpack fan glasses. who in the world is still confused about the covid rules and protocol the ncaa sent out? it couldn't be more straightforward and clear. agree with them or not, nothing about it is remotely difficult to interpret. furthermore, they were applied to us exactly how they laid them out. you didn't see a fight from boo because we didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it.

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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Packsd14me said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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So you agree that the solution, although by their rules, was awful judgement on the NCAA's part. I am not mad at Boo but I am still angry at how the NCAA applied their rules without regard to the situation.....very poor in my opinion.

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aqasaw234 said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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One thing I know is that James is not going to change what he thinks. Arguing with him is like arguing with a fence post, he's not going to move. Personally, I think he's very wrong with his interpretation of events and the blame he wants to put on people under the circumstance, but I'm not going to keep arguing with him about it. In this case, as happens frequently when the NCAA is involved, it's not about the rules, it's about how the rules were interpreted and applied, that is bringing the ire of NC State fans. That ire is justified in this case, and similarly, you aren't going to change my mind about that.

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then you just refuse to take off your wolfpack fan glasses. who in the world is still confused about the covid rules and protocol the ncaa sent out? it couldn't be more straightforward and clear. agree with them or not, nothing about it is remotely difficult to interpret. furthermore, they were applied to us exactly how they laid them out. you didn't see a fight from boo because we didn't have a leg to stand on and he knew it.

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Boo also knows a major ball was dropped allowing our team to behave like Omaha was a covid free environment. I don't care what the rules for spectators are, if I know the stated testing protocol there is no way I'm allowing my players to cavort all over Omaha like the virus doesn't exist. Our biggest failure here is not making every effort to control the variables we could.

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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Well, I'll be honest, I don't know what motivates people to watch the CWS?
If it's baseball fans in general, then teams didn't really matter
If it's fans of a school....then Vandy wasn't it.
If it's storylines -- I think that one is obvious as the supers and CWS played out, we were the top story.
If it's starpower -- Vandy had this.

Again, not sure any of this matters....if you actually wanted to get into the craziness of conspiracies....ESPN would have likely had a lot more interest in just ensuring there would actually be a final series, regardless of the 2 teams that made it. I guess someone could argue that when they saw our case count, they suggested to NCAA to avoid the risk of those cases increasing, and knocking more players out, to where we had no team left....just to remove us.

No, I'm not saying I think that contributed.....but its a lot more supportable than ESPN saying, gosh Vandy sure would be a better draw (if that were in the works, they'd have made sure Texas beat MSU instead).

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Wlfpackamk said:

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I'm sickened by the people here and all over the country that keep saying, "you did it to yourself". There were so many anomalies in this decision against common sense, you just aren't thinking clearly.

And even if you agree with that sentiment, you have zero! idea if any other players, coaches, fans at hotels, umpires, etc. are a "danger" (and I use that term loosely) to safety.

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aqasaw234 said:

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Wlfpackamk said:

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I'm sickened by the people here and all over the country that keep saying, "you did it to yourself". There were so many anomalies in this decision against common sense, you just aren't thinking clearly.

And even if you agree with that sentiment, you have zero! idea if any other players, coaches, fans at hotels, umpires, etc. are a "danger" (and I use that term loosely) to safety.

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no one is arguing that their rules didn't go against common sense.

are you arguing that we didn't agree to abide by their rules that go against common sense?

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aqasaw234 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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Well, I'll be honest, I don't know what motivates people to watch the CWS?
If it's baseball fans in general, then teams didn't really matter
If it's fans of a school....then Vandy wasn't it.
If it's storylines -- I think that one is obvious as the supers and CWS played out, we were the top story.
If it's starpower -- Vandy had this.

Again, not sure any of this matters....if you actually wanted to get into the craziness of conspiracies....ESPN would have likely had a lot more interest in just ensuring there would actually be a final series, regardless of the 2 teams that made it. I guess someone could argue that when they saw our case count, they suggested to NCAA to avoid the risk of those cases increasing, and knocking more players out, to where we had no team left....just to remove us.

No, I'm not saying I think that contributed.....but its a lot more supportable than ESPN saying, gosh Vandy sure would be a better draw (if that were in the works, they'd have made sure Texas beat MSU instead).

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Agreed. The emphasis was probably on making sure there was a finals. Sacrifice them to ensure we have those games. I firmly believe they would've booted Vandy, Texas, Miss State, NY Yankees every bit as fast as they did us.

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Packsd14me said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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aqasaw234 said:

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To be clear, I don't think it motivated any decision either. I don't think we got intentionally screwed.

If not vandy, then who on our side of the bracket was the biggest tv draw. Stanford? And I mean who was biggest tv draw going into Omaha? Not after we captured America's hearts.

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Well, I'll be honest, I don't know what motivates people to watch the CWS?
If it's baseball fans in general, then teams didn't really matter
If it's fans of a school....then Vandy wasn't it.
If it's storylines -- I think that one is obvious as the supers and CWS played out, we were the top story.
If it's starpower -- Vandy had this.

Again, not sure any of this matters....if you actually wanted to get into the craziness of conspiracies....ESPN would have likely had a lot more interest in just ensuring there would actually be a final series, regardless of the 2 teams that made it. I guess someone could argue that when they saw our case count, they suggested to NCAA to avoid the risk of those cases increasing, and knocking more players out, to where we had no team left....just to remove us.

No, I'm not saying I think that contributed.....but its a lot more supportable than ESPN saying, gosh Vandy sure would be a better draw (if that were in the works, they'd have made sure Texas beat MSU instead).

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Agreed. The emphasis was probably on making sure there was a finals. Sacrifice them to ensure we have those games. I firmly believe they would've booted Vandy, Texas, Miss State, NY Yankees every bit as fast as they did us.

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I doubt that....a week's delay ...changing the format.....something innovative would have accomplished that goal....ensure the participation of all 4 teams without sacrificeing anyone. Vandy-State play 2 of 3, Miss St - Texas play 2 of 3....the winners play 2 of 3 championship....we ensure safety of fans,players and get a true champion...all with a little thinking, discussion and conversation with all 4 teams.....and tv...making more money....

again, bad leadership. You don't think ESPN would have agreed to this, moving the tv schedule?

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Again, I understand the rules are what they are. The issue I have is when 4 vaccinated players tested positive. That should've set off alarms for the ncaa and the health department. Either 1) there was an issue with the testing process, or 2) there is now an unforeseen problem with a variant that should've had the ncaa testing everyone on every team. They could have people participating in the finals now that are positive.

If it had turned out we were the only ones, I can live with that as crap luck. If there were other teams with vaccinated positives, that would've changed the entire narrative for everyone involved, including the ncaa. But, we'll never get that answer.

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I don't think they tested other vaccinated players (although they may have for Vandy) because the other teams gave them no reason to do so if that makes sense.

They are going to assume (right or wrong) the outbreak was limited to NC State.

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I doubt they really wanted to test those other teams guys either. If 4/14 can test positive....who knows who else might get popped...so, to your point, since this was never really about safety, if the team didn't give them a reason, stay away from opening up pandora's box.

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Part of why I think they were trying to encourage teams to bring vaxxed players in first place.

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Katherine Johnston said in a story yesterday that Reid had gotten Covid in February and still had the antibodies so did not get the vaccine. He never tested positive. I am sure we have others just like that. Forcing people to vaccinate is not right James. The NCAA screwed the pooch on this one by testing the vaccinated players who were of no danger to anybody.

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Who is forcing someone to get vaccinated?

The NCAA said clearly in their rules with an outbreak they can now test everyone.

That wasn't new to State. You don't see boo/Woodson complaining about that; they knew it ahead of time.

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You don't see them complaining because they are week and status quo guys. Don't want to rock the apple cart.

If the NCAA was encouraging players to be vaxxed, then they are in a way forcing your hand. If you think for one minute we had everybody vaxxed but still had one player with symptoms, they wouldn't have still thrown us out then I do have some ocean front property in Kansas I would like to sell you. The NCAA panicked and then try to cover up in the middle of the night. We had enough players to play that were not positive.

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Yep, the NCAA was going to do everything they can to prevent NC State from winning a CWS title. That was apparently the goal.

I just don't think that way, but I guess I'm in the minority. Unfortunately, over the years I"ve seen State do enough themselves to prevent it from happening, although I thought this time would be different.

There was no way they were going to let State take the field with 8 players and rising having tested positive over a 3-day period. It just wasn't happening. If you think that's b/c it was NC State and not some other team, I just have to disagree.

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