aqasaw234 said:
podcast, brother. it's a good listen, and you'll know exactly where all 3 (james, rob, ethan) stand.
james: on us, we knew the rules
rob: both sides deserve blame
ethan: f*** the ncaa
pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
Yep. The rules dont make a ton of sense to me, but that doesnt change the fact that they are the rules and that we knew them going in. We did the same things the other teams did, we just got really unlucky that we are the party that had the positive tests.aqasaw234 said:pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
i doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that their rules are outdated and should be more closely aligned with CDC guidelines. that absolutely makes sense.
but bottom line is their tournament, their rules. and bull**** rules are still rules. playing in their tournament means we're agreeing to abide by their rules and protocol.
Lagniappe said:
Mad, exhausted, but is there any reason to be either? Does anything ever change for NC State? I'm beginning to think it doesn't. I guess it's true we used up many future years of good things in '83.
6 ft for more than 15 minutes.......that is the timeline for contact tracing.....if that did not happen then those people do not need to be tested....pack95 said:waxhaw said:
If a vaccinated player with COVID is so dangerous to other athletes in their 20s, why not test all of them? Does anyone really think Miss St or Vandy wouldn't pop a few positives also?
There may not have been anything we could do but you can at least seem upset. Geez.
Please stop using logic in your reasoning.
bingojadawson said:Yep. The rules dont make a ton of sense to me, but that doesnt change the fact that they are the rules and that we knew them going in. We did the same things the other teams did, we just got really unlucky that we are the party that had the positive tests.aqasaw234 said:pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
i doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that their rules are outdated and should be more closely aligned with CDC guidelines. that absolutely makes sense.
but bottom line is their tournament, their rules. and bull**** rules are still rules. playing in their tournament means we're agreeing to abide by their rules and protocol.
BUCKETTOFCOLDWATER said:bingojadawson said:Yep. The rules dont make a ton of sense to me, but that doesnt change the fact that they are the rules and that we knew them going in. We did the same things the other teams did, we just got really unlucky that we are the party that had the positive tests.aqasaw234 said:pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
i doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that their rules are outdated and should be more closely aligned with CDC guidelines. that absolutely makes sense.
but bottom line is their tournament, their rules. and bull**** rules are still rules. playing in their tournament means we're agreeing to abide by their rules and protocol.
Packchem91 said:I doubt they really wanted to test those other teams guys either. If 4/14 can test positive....who knows who else might get popped...so, to your point, since this was never really about safety, if the team didn't give them a reason, stay away from opening up pandora's box.James Henderson said:I don't think they tested other vaccinated players (although they may have for Vandy) because the other teams gave them no reason to do so if that makes sense.Steve Videtich said:
Again, I understand the rules are what they are. The issue I have is when 4 vaccinated players tested positive. That should've set off alarms for the ncaa and the health department. Either 1) there was an issue with the testing process, or 2) there is now an unforeseen problem with a variant that should've had the ncaa testing everyone on every team. They could have people participating in the finals now that are positive.
If it had turned out we were the only ones, I can live with that as crap luck. If there were other teams with vaccinated positives, that would've changed the entire narrative for everyone involved, including the ncaa. But, we'll never get that answer.
They are going to assume (right or wrong) the outbreak was limited to NC State.
pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So, just to be clear James, you feel everything dealing with us being eliminated from the CWS was on the up and up, correct? I am just trying to determine where you stand on this.
Katherine Johnston said in a story yesterday that Reid had gotten Covid in February and still had the antibodies so did not get the vaccine. He never tested positive. I am sure we have others just like that. Forcing people to vaccinate is not right James. The NCAA screwed the pooch on this one by testing the vaccinated players who were of no danger to anybody.James Henderson said:Packchem91 said:I doubt they really wanted to test those other teams guys either. If 4/14 can test positive....who knows who else might get popped...so, to your point, since this was never really about safety, if the team didn't give them a reason, stay away from opening up pandora's box.James Henderson said:I don't think they tested other vaccinated players (although they may have for Vandy) because the other teams gave them no reason to do so if that makes sense.Steve Videtich said:
Again, I understand the rules are what they are. The issue I have is when 4 vaccinated players tested positive. That should've set off alarms for the ncaa and the health department. Either 1) there was an issue with the testing process, or 2) there is now an unforeseen problem with a variant that should've had the ncaa testing everyone on every team. They could have people participating in the finals now that are positive.
If it had turned out we were the only ones, I can live with that as crap luck. If there were other teams with vaccinated positives, that would've changed the entire narrative for everyone involved, including the ncaa. But, we'll never get that answer.
They are going to assume (right or wrong) the outbreak was limited to NC State.
Part of why I think they were trying to encourage teams to bring vaxxed players in first place.
None of them should need to be tested. If you play a game against Vanderbilt and there is no 6 foot for 15 minutes, so they don't get tested, why does it matter? Why can't you play a second game? Especially if you tested negative? The whole thing is ridiculous.BUCKETTOFCOLDWATER said:6 ft for more than 15 minutes.......that is the timeline for contact tracing.....if that did not happen then those people do not need to be tested....pack95 said:waxhaw said:
If a vaccinated player with COVID is so dangerous to other athletes in their 20s, why not test all of them? Does anyone really think Miss St or Vandy wouldn't pop a few positives also?
There may not have been anything we could do but you can at least seem upset. Geez.
Please stop using logic in your reasoning.
DrummerboyWolf said:Katherine Johnston said in a story yesterday that Reid had gotten Covid in February and still had the antibodies so did not get the vaccine. He never tested positive. I am sure we have others just like that. Forcing people to vaccinate is not right James. The NCAA screwed the pooch on this one by testing the vaccinated players who were of no danger to anybody.James Henderson said:Packchem91 said:I doubt they really wanted to test those other teams guys either. If 4/14 can test positive....who knows who else might get popped...so, to your point, since this was never really about safety, if the team didn't give them a reason, stay away from opening up pandora's box.James Henderson said:I don't think they tested other vaccinated players (although they may have for Vandy) because the other teams gave them no reason to do so if that makes sense.Steve Videtich said:
Again, I understand the rules are what they are. The issue I have is when 4 vaccinated players tested positive. That should've set off alarms for the ncaa and the health department. Either 1) there was an issue with the testing process, or 2) there is now an unforeseen problem with a variant that should've had the ncaa testing everyone on every team. They could have people participating in the finals now that are positive.
If it had turned out we were the only ones, I can live with that as crap luck. If there were other teams with vaccinated positives, that would've changed the entire narrative for everyone involved, including the ncaa. But, we'll never get that answer.
They are going to assume (right or wrong) the outbreak was limited to NC State.
Part of why I think they were trying to encourage teams to bring vaxxed players in first place.
Bas2020 said:BUCKETTOFCOLDWATER said:bingojadawson said:Yep. The rules dont make a ton of sense to me, but that doesnt change the fact that they are the rules and that we knew them going in. We did the same things the other teams did, we just got really unlucky that we are the party that had the positive tests.aqasaw234 said:pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
i doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that their rules are outdated and should be more closely aligned with CDC guidelines. that absolutely makes sense.
but bottom line is their tournament, their rules. and bull**** rules are still rules. playing in their tournament means we're agreeing to abide by their rules and protocol.
The rules for contact tracing were not followed they were assumed . They lumped all non vaxxed players into contact tracing regardless of exposure .
That is grounds for a discrimination lawsuit.
pack95 said:James Henderson said:They didn't break protocol. It was in the rules sent out.Jmnorris said:
Im sure this has been covered already in one if several threads but what is the general reaction to the ncaa breaking protocol and testing vaccinated players?
So how about the fact the CDC guidelines don't call for contact tracing for folks that have been vaccinated? I guess if they set their own rules, that makes it okay?
Bagman said:
I do find it interesting that no one seems to be concerned about the health of the infected players. Tells you that both sides of the issue understand that they will be completely fine.
You don't see them complaining because they are week and status quo guys. Don't want to rock the apple cart.James Henderson said:DrummerboyWolf said:Katherine Johnston said in a story yesterday that Reid had gotten Covid in February and still had the antibodies so did not get the vaccine. He never tested positive. I am sure we have others just like that. Forcing people to vaccinate is not right James. The NCAA screwed the pooch on this one by testing the vaccinated players who were of no danger to anybody.James Henderson said:Packchem91 said:I doubt they really wanted to test those other teams guys either. If 4/14 can test positive....who knows who else might get popped...so, to your point, since this was never really about safety, if the team didn't give them a reason, stay away from opening up pandora's box.James Henderson said:I don't think they tested other vaccinated players (although they may have for Vandy) because the other teams gave them no reason to do so if that makes sense.Steve Videtich said:
Again, I understand the rules are what they are. The issue I have is when 4 vaccinated players tested positive. That should've set off alarms for the ncaa and the health department. Either 1) there was an issue with the testing process, or 2) there is now an unforeseen problem with a variant that should've had the ncaa testing everyone on every team. They could have people participating in the finals now that are positive.
If it had turned out we were the only ones, I can live with that as crap luck. If there were other teams with vaccinated positives, that would've changed the entire narrative for everyone involved, including the ncaa. But, we'll never get that answer.
They are going to assume (right or wrong) the outbreak was limited to NC State.
Part of why I think they were trying to encourage teams to bring vaxxed players in first place.
Who is forcing someone to get vaccinated?
The NCAA said clearly in their rules with an outbreak they can now test everyone.
That wasn't new to State. You don't see boo/Woodson complaining about that; they knew it ahead of time.
Spot on.WilmingtonPackman777 said:jadawson said:
This is not a defense of Corrigan or how he has handled the past few days. I just have a genuine question as to what people think would have changed if he was more public/more angry or whatever people are wanting for a response?
He could have confirmed directly that Douglas Co Health Dept did not recommend State be removed from the tournament as NCAA incorrectly stated.
He could have publicly told the NCAA to hold off and made sure there were no false positives.
He could have questioned why most of NC State's team was allowed to fly home on an airplane, but not play in a baseball game outside.
He could have questioned why the NCAA allowed 20,000+ unmasked fans to watch a game, but wouldn't let all State players testing negative to play in the game.
He could have requested support from the public, MLB players and Nebraska politicians.
The NCAA is no different than any politician, they will bend based on a narrative.
NC State's "leadership" did none of those things.
All of America is right there with you Hail State.DrummerboyWolf said:
Thought I would post this here too. Mississippi State pounded Vanderbilt 13-2 last night, so there will be game three. GO BULLDOGS!!!
Personally, I think that boldened part is 100% correct. Baseball is primarily a socially distanced game, at least to the point the CDC references. The argument should have been to convince the deciding committee of that part....but I don't think, sadly, the NCAA would have changed.waxhaw said:None of them should need to be tested. If you play a game against Vanderbilt and there is no 6 foot for 15 minutes, so they don't get tested, why does it matter? Why can't you play a second game? Especially if you tested negative? The whole thing is ridiculous.BUCKETTOFCOLDWATER said:6 ft for more than 15 minutes.......that is the timeline for contact tracing.....if that did not happen then those people do not need to be tested....pack95 said:waxhaw said:
If a vaccinated player with COVID is so dangerous to other athletes in their 20s, why not test all of them? Does anyone really think Miss St or Vandy wouldn't pop a few positives also?
There may not have been anything we could do but you can at least seem upset. Geez.
Please stop using logic in your reasoning.
As for those of you saying the rules are the rules. There are tons of rules that get pushed back on for stupidity. Why do we roll over and take it vs fighting like other schools? Does anyone think UNC followed the rules in the cheating scandal? Find a loophole and let your best team ever play for the national championship. Grow a pair of balls and call out the hypocrisy. Stand up against contact tracing rules that make no sense.
Fact is we didnt because it is politically incorrect to say anything about COVID or contact tracing.
Packchem91 said:All of America is right there with you Hail State.DrummerboyWolf said:
Thought I would post this here too. Mississippi State pounded Vanderbilt 13-2 last night, so there will be game three. GO BULLDOGS!!!
waxhaw said:None of them should need to be tested. If you play a game against Vanderbilt and there is no 6 foot for 15 minutes, so they don't get tested, why does it matter? Why can't you play a second game? Especially if you tested negative? The whole thing is ridiculous.BUCKETTOFCOLDWATER said:6 ft for more than 15 minutes.......that is the timeline for contact tracing.....if that did not happen then those people do not need to be tested....pack95 said:waxhaw said:
If a vaccinated player with COVID is so dangerous to other athletes in their 20s, why not test all of them? Does anyone really think Miss St or Vandy wouldn't pop a few positives also?
There may not have been anything we could do but you can at least seem upset. Geez.
Please stop using logic in your reasoning.
As for those of you saying the rules are the rules. There are tons of rules that get pushed back on for stupidity. Why do we roll over and take it vs fighting like other schools? Does anyone think UNC followed the rules in the cheating scandal? Find a loophole and let your best team ever play for the national championship. Grow a pair of balls and call out the hypocrisy. Stand up against contact tracing rules that make no sense.
Fact is we didnt because it is politically incorrect to say anything about COVID or contact tracing.
I have been surprised how weak their offense has been (so therefore surprised they scored so many in G1).Wolfpack said:Packchem91 said:All of America is right there with you Hail State.DrummerboyWolf said:
Thought I would post this here too. Mississippi State pounded Vanderbilt 13-2 last night, so there will be game three. GO BULLDOGS!!!
It's ridiculous that a team with that sharp of a drop off in their pitching staff is in the final. Eye roll. Their offense is also trash and their defense makes two mistakes a game.
I, too, am tired of things that are a waste of our time.pineknollshoresking said:
Who else is tired of the sayings: socially distance and contact tracing
I know I sure as hell am...
aqasaw234 said:WilmingtonPackman777 said:aqasaw234 said:WilmingtonPackman777 said:
^What do mean? The NCAA's brief public statement said State was removed from the CWS based on the NCAA medical team and the recommendation of the Douglas Co Health Dept.
We know the Douglas Co Health Dept never made this recommendation.
Edit: I may be misunderstanding your post
Do you really understand the DCHD role in all of this?
FACT: They did not recommend our removal
FALSE: They were advocating for NC State
FALSE: They disagreed with NCAA decision
DCHD wanted ZERO part of making a decision on this matter, either way. They weren't going to weigh in. They were simply going to support whatever decision the NCAA ultimately made.
A lot of folks are misinterpreting DCHD comments. Yeah, the NCAA got caught trying to be slick with that "recommendation" press release, but at the end of the day it's of no real significance.
Who said the DCHD were advocating for State? I clearly stated the NCAA's statement saying DCHD recommended State being removed from the CWS was not accurate (FACT) and considering that was a key rationale in the NCAA's brief statement, that should be questioned (FACT).
I'm just reading between the lines. Whomever wrote that press release just had "brain fart" moment. Doesn't mean the press release was a flat out lie. DCHD agreed with the NCAA, but emphasized to them they couldn't be on record officially recommending our removal since there was no local mandate in place.
packgrad said:
I sure hope our rules followers don't get upset or call for change about play calling, player rotations, depth charts, etc. Rules say the coaching staff makes those decisions, not fans. Rules are rules!!
