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James Henderson said:

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Sheriff Shively said:

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So here's what has been confirmed. Two unvaccinated players tested positive Monday and the school knew about it all week. Avent even commented in a press conference that "we have some guys sick." It is true that Corbin ordered all players be tested right before the game upon learning this. NCAA agreed and all players were tested, including those who were vaccinated. Only the 13 vaccinated players (half the team) were allowed to play and the game went on, pending the results. After the game FOUR of the vaccinated players tested positive and the ncaa expelled the team, which in my opinion is completely justified, given that we now had 1/4 of the entire travel roster with a positive test result. These are the set of facts.

JT Jarrett and all the rest of the players should have been told in February, "you get the vaccine or you don't get to play and travel with the team."

But since we have an absentee AD devoid of any leadership or planning skills whatsoever, the baseball team has brought national embarrassment upon the entire university, and something that is guaranteed to ravage division across 300,000 living alumni. Brace yourselves for NC State to get dragged across the mud as sportswriters and pundits on every major TV network all the way through the weekend and into next week ponder how on earth NC State could be so irresponsible and incompetent.

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Where was it posted that players tested positive on Monday?

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Packamylase said:

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WPNfamily said:

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4 positive tests last night all vax'd kids. Unreal

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If they're vaccinated, why should it matter?! The risk to themselves and esp vaccinated others is negligible. So many darn questions... We need answers!

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This is where I am. I just don't understand the science and non-science of it all. I just know they let me and 20000 of my fellow fans up in that stadium unmasked. Players were around us so now what? Just heartbroken for those kids.

WPNfamily said:

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55Burgers said:

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So one poster said the NCAA only had 2 machines to do testing with, which wasn't enough and we had players waiting for results. Did Corbin request testing at the last minute and then the NCAA couldn't get all our players done in time? If that's the case, that's not gamesmanship, that's being classless and pussified. Our AD ought to be raising holy hell. Honestly we probably should've protested and not agreed to play the game until they finished testing. Someone needs to explain what happened.

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2 PCR machines is a fact. The speed at which they test I can't say because I am not in medicine.

Fact that coaches could not coach either if they had not been vax'd

Fact the only kids that played today had been vax'd

Fact that two players tested positive on Monday, NCAA has known all week.

Fact that kids were being tested after the game started

Unknown why at game time **** hit the fan. Speculation Vandy requested it. I buy that because of how long NCAA knew. Seems logical Vandy was not "ok" with it. Big accusation but can't say I wouldn't of done the same if the shoe was on the other foot and my team was on the brink of elimination.

Fingers crossed more kids available tomorrow. I have heard but can't say who. Also I don't trust some bs doesn't happen around them tomorrow because some have not been vax'd. The ones I have heard would be incredibly helpful based on today's lineup.

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I'm not in medicine either, but I am an NIH-trained and certified real time PCR tech. When you do rtPCR, most machines today can routinely handle a minimum of 96 samples (Called "wells") at a time. One sample equals one player, but remember that each sample will be run in duplicate and preferably triplicate to ensure no false positives, so each player's sample will be tested in three of the 96 wells on the machine. Typically eight of the wells are reserved for negative and positive controls, plus two sensitivity range controls and each of those should be run in at least duplicate as well, hence the need for at least eight wells being reserved for that purpose. That leaves 88 wells to test players in duplicate, and the machine will probably run through 40 cycles to completion which takes 2-3 hours. I have no idea what parameters they're running in Omaha (I.e., duplicate or triplicate?) but in the case of the latter they can check around 29 people (if testing just in duplicate) and have results every three hours. You say they had just two machines in Omaha?

I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

WPNfamily said:

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4 positive tests last night all vax'd kids. Unreal

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So the NCAA put themselves in a quandary by requiring testing of vaccinated players. 4 tests from vaccinated players come back positive throwing the quality of the entire testing protocol for the week into question.

Sampling quality
Chain of custody
Technician qualification
Equipment calibration
Cross-contamination potential
Split samples
Blind samples
Etc.

And the NCAA was able to clear up the quality questions in a few hours and declare Vandy the winner.

Daviewolf83 said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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State should have refused to test the vaccinated players unless Vandy's were also tested.

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This right here. Absolutely 100% the problem I have with it all. Vandy got to sit back and watch. I don't see how the ncaa could agree NOT to test them too. Especially under the circumstances

Wolfpacklife said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

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Cmon man. The masses NEED a tweet to make them feel better. If there's a tweet then it will make everything better. Logic doesn't work.


*but at some point the program does needs to put something out.

CLTWolf said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

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Cmon man. The masses NEED a tweet to make them feel better. If there's a tweet then it will make everything better. Logic doesn't work.


*but at some point the program does needs to put something out.

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I don't think I ever asked for a tweet.

NCAA puts that out at 2am. By 3am there should have been a release from Boo stating what the plan was to respond to this travesty. I have no doubt he'll just squirt some more lube in the NCAAs hand, though.

Debbie has spoken. Where is Boo?

All, none of us fully understands yet what occurred. Please support our people with words of appreciation. The athletes, coaches, AD. Everyone. The situation is heart breaking. A number of valid questions yet to be addressed.But we r in this together.

— Debbie Yow (@gopacknow) June 26, 2021

griff17matt said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

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Cmon man. The masses NEED a tweet to make them feel better. If there's a tweet then it will make everything better. Logic doesn't work.


*but at some point the program does needs to put something out.

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I don't think I ever asked for a tweet.

NCAA puts that out at 2am. By 3am there should have been a release from Boo stating what the plan was to respond to this travesty. I have no doubt he'll just squirt some more lube in the NCAAs hand, though.

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You love some sexual innuendo. Haha

Dude has more to worry about at that time. I'm pretty sure if it's like the basketball tourney, once you're out you gotta bounce so there was a lot of sht going on at that point in time. Checking out of the hotel, etc. sht sucks. If something isn't out soon I would definitely start to question it.

I'm just saying I don't need a tweet telling me to calm down to make it all better. It doesn't change a fkng thing.

Sheriff Shively said:

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Debbie has spoken. Where is Boo?

All, none of us fully understands yet what occurred. Please support our people with words of appreciation. The athletes, coaches, AD. Everyone. The situation is heart breaking. A number of valid questions yet to be addressed.But we r in this together.

— Debbie Yow (@gopacknow) June 26, 2021

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She ain't got sht else to do. Might as well tweet.

CLTWolf said:

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griff17matt said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

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Cmon man. The masses NEED a tweet to make them feel better. If there's a tweet then it will make everything better. Logic doesn't work.


*but at some point the program does needs to put something out.

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I don't think I ever asked for a tweet.

NCAA puts that out at 2am. By 3am there should have been a release from Boo stating what the plan was to respond to this travesty. I have no doubt he'll just squirt some more lube in the NCAAs hand, though.

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You love some sexual innuendo. Haha

Dude has more to worry about at that time. I'm pretty sure if it's like the basketball tourney, once you're out you gotta bounce so there was a lot of sht going on at that point in time. Checking out of the hotel, etc. sht sucks. If something isn't out soon I would definitely start to question it.

I'm just saying I don't need a tweet telling me to calm down to make it all better. It doesn't change a fkng thing.

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Ah, well sorry I didn't check with your preferences before posting. I'll do better in the future. Good luck in your quest to tilt with windmills on the boards all day. I still didn't say a single word about Boo putting out a tweet. But it's good to see you still have some weird ax to grind with Debbie I guess? Not sure why else you'd bring up Twitter when it hasn't been mentioned.

Also, why do you always skirt the filter? I suppose the hall monitor gets to have rules not apply to them.

I'm not the only one on these boards who works in a job that involves communication with stakeholders and customers. It would take 3 minutes to either personally write or delegate the task for someone to say, "here is what we know, we are addressing the situation, and will share the facts of the situation once we have everything in order, including our options and plans for response as appropriate."

CLTWolf said:

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Sheriff Shively said:

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Debbie has spoken. Where is Boo?

All, none of us fully understands yet what occurred. Please support our people with words of appreciation. The athletes, coaches, AD. Everyone. The situation is heart breaking. A number of valid questions yet to be addressed.But we r in this together.

— Debbie Yow (@gopacknow) June 26, 2021

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She ain't got sht else to do. Might as well tweet.

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griff17matt said:

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CLTWolf said:

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griff17matt said:

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CLTWolf said:

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Wolfpacklife said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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Seeing that this was cancelled at 2ish am... There is a good chance boo and Co are working on a response/plan. Maybe not, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

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Cmon man. The masses NEED a tweet to make them feel better. If there's a tweet then it will make everything better. Logic doesn't work.


*but at some point the program does needs to put something out.

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I don't think I ever asked for a tweet.

NCAA puts that out at 2am. By 3am there should have been a release from Boo stating what the plan was to respond to this travesty. I have no doubt he'll just squirt some more lube in the NCAAs hand, though.

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You love some sexual innuendo. Haha

Dude has more to worry about at that time. I'm pretty sure if it's like the basketball tourney, once you're out you gotta bounce so there was a lot of sht going on at that point in time. Checking out of the hotel, etc. sht sucks. If something isn't out soon I would definitely start to question it.

I'm just saying I don't need a tweet telling me to calm down to make it all better. It doesn't change a fkng thing.

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Ah, well sorry I didn't check with your preferences before posting. I'll do better in the future. Good luck in your quest to tilt with windmills on the boards all day. I still didn't say a single word about Boo putting out a tweet. But it's good to see you still have some weird ax to grind with Debbie I guess? Not sure why else you'd bring up Twitter when it hasn't been mentioned.

Also, why do you always skirt the filter? I suppose the hall monitor gets to have rules not apply to them.

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Hope you're sticking to those meds bud. The offer still stands if you wanna DM me for my number and we can talk. Otherwise I'll be your whipping boy to up your clout in the meantime.

Sweet sweet griff. You're the best hall monitor of them all.

Sheriff Shively said:

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I'm not the only one on these boards who works in a job that involves communication with stakeholders and customers. It would take 3 minutes to either personally write or delegate the task for someone to say, "here is what we know, we are addressing the situation, and will share the facts of the situation once we have everything in order, including our options and plans for response as appropriate."

CLTWolf said:

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Sheriff Shively said:

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Debbie has spoken. Where is Boo?

All, none of us fully understands yet what occurred. Please support our people with words of appreciation. The athletes, coaches, AD. Everyone. The situation is heart breaking. A number of valid questions yet to be addressed.But we r in this together.

— Debbie Yow (@gopacknow) June 26, 2021

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She ain't got sht else to do. Might as well tweet.

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Nice of you to show up to support the team now. We missed you. (We really didn't)

re-post from another thread b/c of relevance:

this decision and process is anti-science

lot of you guys know that i have (and still am) working on the Moderna vaccine studies


it is completely expected and common place that vaccinated people test CVD positive.

the vaccine does not eradicate a virus, it boosts an immune system to target a specific virus preventing further infection.

for this reason on the clinical trials, vaccinated subjects are not blindly tested for CVD. A subject must first express symptoms of CVD before they are brought back into the clinic and tested.

Daviewolf83 said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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WPNfamily said:

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55Burgers said:

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So one poster said the NCAA only had 2 machines to do testing with, which wasn't enough and we had players waiting for results. Did Corbin request testing at the last minute and then the NCAA couldn't get all our players done in time? If that's the case, that's not gamesmanship, that's being classless and pussified. Our AD ought to be raising holy hell. Honestly we probably should've protested and not agreed to play the game until they finished testing. Someone needs to explain what happened.

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2 PCR machines is a fact. The speed at which they test I can't say because I am not in medicine.

Fact that coaches could not coach either if they had not been vax'd

Fact the only kids that played today had been vax'd

Fact that two players tested positive on Monday, NCAA has known all week.

Fact that kids were being tested after the game started

Unknown why at game time **** hit the fan. Speculation Vandy requested it. I buy that because of how long NCAA knew. Seems logical Vandy was not "ok" with it. Big accusation but can't say I wouldn't of done the same if the shoe was on the other foot and my team was on the brink of elimination.

Fingers crossed more kids available tomorrow. I have heard but can't say who. Also I don't trust some bs doesn't happen around them tomorrow because some have not been vax'd. The ones I have heard would be incredibly helpful based on today's lineup.

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I'm not in medicine either, but I am an NIH-trained and certified real time PCR tech. When you do rtPCR, most machines today can routinely handle a minimum of 96 samples (Called "wells") at a time. One sample equals one player, but remember that each sample will be run in duplicate and preferably triplicate to ensure no false positives, so each player's sample will be tested in three of the 96 wells on the machine. Typically eight of the wells are reserved for negative and positive controls, plus two sensitivity range controls and each of those should be run in at least duplicate as well, hence the need for at least eight wells being reserved for that purpose. That leaves 88 wells to test players in duplicate, and the machine will probably run through 40 cycles to completion which takes 2-3 hours. I have no idea what parameters they're running in Omaha (I.e., duplicate or triplicate?) but in the case of the latter they can check around 29 people (if testing just in duplicate) and have results every three hours. You say they had just two machines in Omaha?

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A big question for the NCAA - what was the CT threshold for the tests they ran? If above 30, it is very likely they picked up people who are shedding and not contagious. This has been one of the problems with the use of the PCR test during this pandemic.

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That is distinctly possible, I usually throw out a test when the ct rises above 36, assuming that whatever it is, it isn't "real".

James Henderson said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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I think it's now 6 players and counting with more tests to come.

Other players needed to be tested again today IIRC.

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Yes but has a single player from Vanderbilt been tested?

James Henderson said:

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WlfpckFtbll said:

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James Henderson said:

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griff17matt said:

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I love that we were booted because 4 vaccinated players tested positive. Kind of blows up the "NC State ****ed up because players didn't get the shot" narrative. This will live on in the NC State **** lore because we have effete leadership that is incapable of publicly getting in front of a story. I'm glad Boo can glad hand the boys club for donations, but he's been **** as the public face of the AD.

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I think it's now 6 players and counting with more tests to come.

Other players needed to be tested again today IIRC.

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Yes but has a single player from Vanderbilt been tested?

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I don't know if they have or not, but do their players even fall under contract tracing? I was told it's 6 feet and 15 minutes so which Vandy players have been around a NC State player for 15 straight minutes within 6 feet?

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Same could be said for State players . Outside of Jarrett and possibly his roommate everyone else should have been cleared to play .

I can guarantee you if they tested Vandy , MSU & Texas players & support staff you would get positive results


There are literally fans drinking Budweiser out of their shoes in the stands beside the families of players . All the players on every team have been socializing around Omaha for a week .

For all we know our players could have got COVID from the Vandy players

James, I am curious why your position is so strongly defending the ncaa? Read the room. Supporting the ncaa is unlikely to be good for this site. Please don't take that as a threat. It's just an observation.

James Henderson said:

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GreeneGoblin said:

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For all we know our players could have got COVID from the Vandy players

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Yep no clue where they got it from.

But if Vandy was fully vacinnated they were never getting tested apparently per the NCAA rules.

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But our vaccinated players get tested? Because the NCAA is making up rules as they go. Two players (Jarrett and Justice) do not equal "community spread". These kids got tested AFTER they played yesterday. That's a sham in the making.

Well the rules changed and vaccinated players are being tested so Vandy should be tested.

An honest sportsman to the end, that Tim Corbin.

Or some other adjectives that many have sent me about the Vandy coach.

He’s the one that has to look in the mirror. Those rings don’t buy peace of mind.

A man’s gotta live by a code. I don’t appreciate Corbin’s https://t.co/54krJOUfi6

— Joe Giglio (@giglio_OG) June 26, 2021