Official Tim Corbin is a punk a** b*tch thread

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**** Vandy **** their coach. I hope they pitch leiter and his dad tomorrow and we light him up. We are in a rare spot and will take advantage. I said it earlier and it's even more obvious now. Us fans are nervous as hell and the think the sky is falling. The 13+ Players who will be on the field plus avent and the staff aren't scared and will win like they almost did today.
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wilmwolf80 said:

Packamylase said:

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WlfpckFtbll said:

There is 0% all 14 players that didn't play tested positive. Think about it, if they had then there would be no doubt about who was available tomorrow because now if them would be. This is definitely contact tracing after negative tests. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Vandy pushed for those players not being able to play.


Players didn't play today because they couldn't get test results fast enough.


Is this confirmed to be true? We may have a fuller roster tomorrow? Also, how can we be held out because of lack of testing? Isn't it the job of the NCAA or ACC that we have adequate testing? Who dropped the ball?

It has been confirmed as much as is going to be confirmed that there are only two machines on site and the results weren't ready by the time the NCAA wanted to start the game. My source says this along with several othera, including no less that Reid Johnston's mom.


Why was testing not done with plenty of time to get the results in? Do we know that? Because Corbin requested it an hour before the game? So many questions...
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We don't know.
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Packamylase said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Packamylase said:

WPNfamily said:

WlfpckFtbll said:

There is 0% all 14 players that didn't play tested positive. Think about it, if they had then there would be no doubt about who was available tomorrow because now if them would be. This is definitely contact tracing after negative tests. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Vandy pushed for those players not being able to play.


Players didn't play today because they couldn't get test results fast enough.


Is this confirmed to be true? We may have a fuller roster tomorrow? Also, how can we be held out because of lack of testing? Isn't it the job of the NCAA or ACC that we have adequate testing? Who dropped the ball?

It has been confirmed as much as is going to be confirmed that there are only two machines on site and the results weren't ready by the time the NCAA wanted to start the game. My source says this along with several othera, including no less that Reid Johnston's mom.


Why was testing not done with plenty of time to get the results in? Do we know that? Because Corbin requested it an hour before the game? So many questions...


So many questions and we will not know for sure ever.

Testing is happening again right now. I have not heard if there will be more tests tomorrow or not. Sounds like negative today and tonight which is two negatives in a row. Play ball.
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This is what local media is for. I know they're reading this thread. Let's see what they do about it to protect us at the national level.
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Where are Corbin's comments?
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Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
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Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?


Because it's Joe Giglio?
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Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
It's no fun if he can't rile up the masses just a little bit. Though I find it exhausting now.
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CLTWolf said:

Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
It's no fun if he can't rile up the masses just a little bit. Though I find it exhausting now.


Is his position different than the green guys here? The one guy from here that is there (I think) says the players are to blame. The ones here seem to be firmly in the devil's advocate position
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Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
I would think because if you're going to attend the CWS with unvacinnated players who are still being tested, you probably need to do a better job of keeping them in a bubble to limit potential exposure?

From those I've talked to, that's been the concern from a State perspective.
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Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
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wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
I'd imagine there are contact tracing rules relative to Vandy players and Jarrett.

Who came in contact with Jarrett enough via the contact rules (is it still 6 feet for 10 minutes)?

Again, I don't see why NC State's baseball staff/administration, who know all the details, would allow the biggest draw left in the tourney to get an advantage.
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James Henderson said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
I'd imagine there are contact tracing rules relative to Vandy players and Jarrett.

Who came in contact with Jarrett enough via the contact rules (is it still 6 feet for 10 minutes)?

Again, I don't see why NC State's baseball staff/administration, who know all the details, would allow the biggest draw left in the tourney to get an advantage.
intentional or not, it sure appears that they did though.
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James Henderson said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
I'd imagine there are contact tracing rules relative to Vandy players and Jarrett.

Who came in contact with Jarrett enough via the contact rules (is it still 6 feet for 10 minutes)?

Again, I don't see why NC State's baseball staff/administration, who know all the details, would allow the biggest draw left in the tourney to get an advantage.


What alternative did they have? The only other option was forfeit as far as I can tell. Do you think they could have refused to play the game until the test results came back? It's clear, to me, that the only options were to play with the available dudes or forfeit. The team did the only thing they could do.
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I hope JT threw on some shades and a hoodie and has been hanging at the Vandy hotel all evening
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James Henderson said:

Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
I would think because if you're going to attend the CWS with unvacinnated players who are still being tested, you probably need to do a better job of keeping them in a bubble to limit potential exposure?

From those I've talked to, that's been the concern from a State perspective.
NONE of the vaccines would have taken effect even if they were vaccinated the day they won in Fayetteville
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wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
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aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.
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DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.


how is it not up to them when it's their tournament?
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DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.

Agree on both statements. However, there is a way all of this could have been avoided. And that's if the entire team was vaccinated because tests go out the window at that point. The NCAA would have had to create another new protocol if that was the case.
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aqasaw234 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.


how is it not up to them when it's their tournament?
Last I looked, we are still a free country. It's not in their purview to tell people what they can and cannot do especially concerning that person's health. They allow transgender males to compete against females, but because somebody is not vaccinated then it's Oh you can't play. The NCAA makes the rules as they go along.
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So to be clear, a public school should mandate that all of their players be vaccinated for the coronavirus to play in the NCAAT? The NCAA doesn't even do that. All of the "leaks" we have so far is that everyone tested negative except Jarrett, and maybe Justice. But everyone else should be vaccinated even though they tested negative for the virus. So just accept that they were held out because we as a State university that cannot make our players get vaccinated didn't. Nonsense. We got jobbed.

Edit to add. And half the team already tested positive for the virus earlier in the season so theoretically have antibodies. Nonsense.
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DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.


how is it not up to them when it's their tournament?
Last I looked, we are still a free country. It's not in their purview to tell people what they can and cannot do especially concerning that person's health. They allow transgender males to compete against females, but because somebody is not vaccinated then it' Oh you can't play. The NCAA makes the rules as they go along.


and we willing and freely chose to be a part of the ncaa. we don't have to like their rules, but as long as we want to be a part of ncaa competition, we have to abide by their decisions. if it wasn't up to them, we would've blown them off and played with a full roster today. it's their tournament, so it's their call on covid protocol (fair or not). the fact remains we had the ability to take this decision out of their hands.
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CLTWolf said:

Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?
It's no fun if he can't rile up the masses just a little bit. Though I find it exhausting now.


Exhausting is being too kind. I'm disappointed in you . It has become old real quick with him!
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Is there a tick tock of what happened with this whole thing available?
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CLTWolf said:

PackFansXL said:

wilmwolf80 said:

It is my understanding, admittedly based on second hand information, that everyone that was at the ballpark original today (ie everyone but Jarrett and Justice) had tested negative yesterday. When and why they were required to be tested again today, I defer to experts on NCAA policy, but the results of those tests were not available by the time the NCAA wanted to start the game. Ultimately, focusing on they minutiae of how and why we were at this point does nothing. Arguing about this or that needs to stop. Whomever is wearing an NC State jersey tomorrow deserves our untethered support.
As does any *****ing about the best AD we have had in two decades. Debbie did a damn fine job! I still don't know the truth about her feelings regarding Coach Avent, but she still deserves a great deal of respect from Pack fans. I hope Elliot gets the guys to the finals and I trust he will do the best job possible. Go Pack!!
Give it a rest, right? *****ing about our current AD who's actually there and been there with the team working hard for those kids does no good either. Boo and Broussard have been working Omaha HARD. I was out there and saw it with my own two eyes.

Go Pack!!
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wilmwolf80 said:

James Henderson said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
I'd imagine there are contact tracing rules relative to Vandy players and Jarrett.

Who came in contact with Jarrett enough via the contact rules (is it still 6 feet for 10 minutes)?

Again, I don't see why NC State's baseball staff/administration, who know all the details, would allow the biggest draw left in the tourney to get an advantage.


What alternative did they have? The only other option was forfeit as far as I can tell. Do you think they could have refused to play the game until the test results came back? It's clear, to me, that the only options were to play with the available dudes or forfeit. The team did the only thing they could do.
If the NCAA could not complete the mandatory testing in time for the game to be played, the game should have been delayed. It is up to the NCAA to conduct the tests and do wo in a timely manner. Not doing so, put State at a disadvantage. We can argue all day about it being State's players fault for not being vaccinated, but in the end, the NCAA put in place a requirement to test unvaccinated players and they (the NCAA) were unable to do so in a timeframe that allowed State to play the players.

From what I have gathered from Twitter and other reports I have read tonight, this is what I believe could have happened.

1. JT Jarrett was tested as part of normal protocol for the testing of unvaccinated players and yesterday was found to be positive for Covid-19.
2. Evan Justice was put in contact trace quarantine (likely also yesterday) and is likely not going to be available to play. Typically, players in contact trace quarantine are not tested after being placed in quarantine. They must remain in quarantine for a set number of days (seven days based on the last time my son went through it) and if not symptomatic over this period, they are allowed to leave quarantine.
3. The unvaccinated players on State's team were tested yesterday and all remaining players were found to be negative for Covid-19.
4. Today, the team members and staff that are vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated and received a negative test yesterday went to the stadium today to play the game.
5. After arriving, the NCAA decided another test of the unvaccinated players was required. This is likely what Elliot meant by the rules being changed. The way it worked during the football season last year is as follows. Players are tested the day before a game (within 24 hours) and all of those receiving a negative test are eligible to play the next day. I assume this is the protocol for the CWS and I am not sure why they would consider testing day of game, given the length of time it takes to complete a PCR test.
6. I am not sure what triggered a day-of-game testing requirement, when State's coaches and staff believed they were eligible to play, having secured negative tests within 24 hours of the game. Some have speculated that Vandy's coach may have requested the additional test, but we do not know this for certain. It does appear something in the protocol changed from what State's coaches and staff expected.
7. Once the decision was made to change the protocol and administer a new round of testing for the unvaccinated players, the NCAA should have made the decision to delay the game until all of the new tests could be completed. It is not NC State's fault if the NCAA could not complete the tests and get results in time for the game. If a testing protocol was changed, it was up to the NCAA to insure State was not put at a disadvantage.

Hopefully, we will get further information tomorrow. I do believe the NCAA made a bad decision to play the game before the testing was completed - especially if they changed or modified the testing protocol.
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griff17matt said:

Packamylase said:

Why does Joe think some of the blame goes to NC State?


Because it's Joe Giglio?
Same reason he found it necessary to interject DSJ into this conversation. What an ass.
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packgrad said:

So to be clear, a public school should mandate that all of their players be vaccinated for the coronavirus to play in the NCAAT? The NCAA doesn't even do that. All of the "leaks" we have so far is that everyone tested negative except Jarrett, and maybe Justice. But everyone else should be vaccinated even though they tested negative for the virus. So just accept that they were held out because we as a State university that cannot make our players get vaccinated didn't. Nonsense. We got jobbed.

Edit to add. And half the team already tested positive for the virus earlier in the season so theoretically have antibodies. Nonsense.


no, it definitely shouldn't have been mandated by the university or the state. but the coaching staff and the athletic department should've made it clear to the athletes that something like this could potentially happen if they're not vaccinated. the choice is yours, but if you're not vaccinated, we're rolling the dice.

we're a member institution of the ncaa. they are the governing body of collegiate athletics and this is their tournament. they can come up with the most bs rules known to man, but if you want to play in their tournament, you agree to play by their rules.
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wilmwolf80 said:

Packchem91 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

It is my understanding, admittedly based on second hand information, that everyone that was at the ballpark original today (ie everyone but Jarrett and Justice) had tested negative yesterday. When and why they were required to be tested again today, I defer to experts on NCAA policy, but the results of those tests were not available by the time the NCAA wanted to start the game. Ultimately, focusing on they minutiae of how and why we were at this point does nothing. Arguing about this or that needs to stop. Whomever is wearing an NC State jersey tomorrow deserves our untethered support.
I get what you are saying, but when your HC says, I don't know what even happened....thats more than "minutiae". That's pretty significant. And of course, it doesn't to be him that knows how it all works...he has a job; but for someone to be that surprised and then not able to explain it either means we have a big failure of preparation, the NCAA failed terribly in its role to create an equitable environment, or both.

By tomorrow game time, your last sentence will be 100% true -- in fact, I'd imagine few teams will have ever garnered as much fan backing "per capita" as our baseball team will tomorrow as a result of today's scenario (and then gutty effort)



I think it was pretty clear to most people that Avent didn't want to talk about the specifics of the covid testing or vaccines, and parsing his words to try to come up with something more meaningful is pointless. I don't expect the coach to know the minutae of the NCAAs testing and covid protocols. Per the post above yours the NCAA has known about this since Monday. The last minute testing today, who knows who that is on.
That was exactly my point -- the minutiae is absolutely an issue, because somethign just doesn't make sense at all.
Now...for Avent, he 100% absolutely has a job to do to get the team ready tomorrow, and I'd much prefer him to do that than gripe about all this stuff -- as we see in the big dance every eyar, the coaches who get caught up in the external stuff, tend to lose quickly. So, let the stuff fall on him (his comment to avoid declaring if he was vaccinated or not), instead of the team.

But the whole idea --- if Jarrett really did test on Monday, for the current team members not to be tested in time to be cleared, would be a complete vacation of the duties of the NCAA. IF, that is what happened.
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aqasaw234 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

aqasaw234 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.


you have to be able to look at this whole thing objectively. if everyone on the team is vaccinated, we're not in this mess. what do coaches always preach? control what you can control. well, this is something we could've controlled.

did the ncaa grossly mishandle this? maybe, but we left the door open for them to screw us like this. maybe "blame" isn't the right word, but some of this is definitely on us.
The players controlled whether they took the vaccine or not. Not anybody else's business. It's not up to the NCAA to dictate that teams or players be vaccinated.


how is it not up to them when it's their tournament?
Last I looked, we are still a free country. It's not in their purview to tell people what they can and cannot do especially concerning that person's health. They allow transgender males to compete against females, but because somebody is not vaccinated then it' Oh you can't play. The NCAA makes the rules as they go along.


and we willing and freely chose to be a part of the ncaa. we don't have to like their rules, but as long as we want to be a part of ncaa competition, we have to abide by their decisions. if it wasn't up to them, we would've blown them off and played with a full roster today. it's their tournament, so it's their call on covid protocol (fair or not). the fact remains we had the ability to take this decision out of their hands.


Actually no. We don't willing and freely choose, which is why the Supreme Court finally struck the first blow last week to the corrupt and inept monopoly of an organization which will hopefully begin its downfall.
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Packchem91 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Packchem91 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

It is my understanding, admittedly based on second hand information, that everyone that was at the ballpark original today (ie everyone but Jarrett and Justice) had tested negative yesterday. When and why they were required to be tested again today, I defer to experts on NCAA policy, but the results of those tests were not available by the time the NCAA wanted to start the game. Ultimately, focusing on they minutiae of how and why we were at this point does nothing. Arguing about this or that needs to stop. Whomever is wearing an NC State jersey tomorrow deserves our untethered support.
I get what you are saying, but when your HC says, I don't know what even happened....thats more than "minutiae". That's pretty significant. And of course, it doesn't to be him that knows how it all works...he has a job; but for someone to be that surprised and then not able to explain it either means we have a big failure of preparation, the NCAA failed terribly in its role to create an equitable environment, or both.

By tomorrow game time, your last sentence will be 100% true -- in fact, I'd imagine few teams will have ever garnered as much fan backing "per capita" as our baseball team will tomorrow as a result of today's scenario (and then gutty effort)



I think it was pretty clear to most people that Avent didn't want to talk about the specifics of the covid testing or vaccines, and parsing his words to try to come up with something more meaningful is pointless. I don't expect the coach to know the minutae of the NCAAs testing and covid protocols. Per the post above yours the NCAA has known about this since Monday. The last minute testing today, who knows who that is on.
That was exactly my point -- the minutiae is absolutely an issue, because somethign just doesn't make sense at all.
Now...for Avent, he 100% absolutely has a job to do to get the team ready tomorrow, and I'd much prefer him to do that than gripe about all this stuff -- as we see in the big dance every eyar, the coaches who get caught up in the external stuff, tend to lose quickly. So, let the stuff fall on him (his comment to avoid declaring if he was vaccinated or not), instead of the team.

But the whole idea --- if Jarrett really did test on Monday, for the current team members not to be tested in time to be cleared, would be a complete vacation of the duties of the NCAA. IF, that is what happened.
Reportedly, all unvaccinated players were tested yesterday and were negative. This is why they proceeded to the stadium today to play the game. If day of game testing was required, it should have been made known to the team early this morning, so results would be made available prior to the game being played.
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Daviewolf83 said:

wilmwolf80 said:

James Henderson said:

wilmwolf80 said:

Is every player on Vanderbilt vaccinated?

If the answer is no, then they should be subject to the same testing protocols, as they played all entire game against Jarrett this week.

If they aren't being held to this standard, then everything else that has been said is bull*****

And if they are all vaccinated, there is virtually zero risk playing against our players, regardless of test results.

Are we following science and logic, or are we giving an advantage to the biggest draw left in the tournament. Let's be honest.

Pack fans, websites, blogs, podcasts, etc should stop looking for reasons to attack pack players, and unite on this front.
I'd imagine there are contact tracing rules relative to Vandy players and Jarrett.

Who came in contact with Jarrett enough via the contact rules (is it still 6 feet for 10 minutes)?

Again, I don't see why NC State's baseball staff/administration, who know all the details, would allow the biggest draw left in the tourney to get an advantage.


What alternative did they have? The only other option was forfeit as far as I can tell. Do you think they could have refused to play the game until the test results came back? It's clear, to me, that the only options were to play with the available dudes or forfeit. The team did the only thing they could do.
If the NCAA could not complete the mandatory testing in time for the game to be played, the game should have been delayed. It is up to the NCAA to conduct the tests and do wo in a timely manner. Not doing so, put State at a disadvantage. We can argue all day about it being State's players fault for not being vaccinated, but in the end, the NCAA put in place a requirement to test unvaccinated players and they (the NCAA) were unable to do so in a timeframe that allowed State to play the players.

From what I have gathered from Twitter and other reports I have read tonight, this is what I believe could have happened.

1. JT Jarrett was tested as part of normal protocol for the testing of unvaccinated players and yesterday was found to be positive for Covid-19.
2. Evan Justice was put in contact trace quarantine (likely also yesterday) and is likely not going to be available to play. Typically, players in contact trace quarantine are not tested after being placed in quarantine. They must remain in quarantine for a set number of days (seven days based on the last time my son went through it) and if not symptomatic over this period, they are allowed to leave quarantine.
3. The unvaccinated players on State's team were tested yesterday and all remaining players were found to be negative for Covid-19.
4. Today, the team members and staff that are vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated and received a negative test yesterday went to the stadium today to play the game.
5. After arriving, the NCAA decided another test of the unvaccinated players was required. This is likely what Elliot meant by the rules being changed. The way it worked during the football season last year is as follows. Players are tested the day before a game (within 24 hours) and all of those receiving a negative test are eligible to play the next day. I assume this is the protocol for the CWS and I am not sure why they would consider testing day of game, given the length of time it takes to complete a PCR test.
6. I am not sure what triggered a day-of-game testing requirement, when State's coaches and staff believed they were eligible to play, having secured negative tests within 24 hours of the game. Some have speculated that Vandy's coach may have requested the additional test, but we do not know this for certain. It does appear something in the protocol changed from what State's coaches and staff expected.
7. Once the decision was made to change the protocol and administer a new round of testing for the unvaccinated players, the NCAA should have made the decision to delay the game until all of the new tests could be completed. It is not NC State's fault if the NCAA could not complete the tests and get results in time for the game. If a testing protocol was changed, it was up to the NCAA to insure State was not put at a disadvantage.

Hopefully, we will get further information tomorrow. I do believe the NCAA made a bad decision to play the game before the testing was completed - especially if thprovideged or modified the testing protocol.


" do believe the NCAA made a bad decision to play the game before the testing was completed - especially if they changed or modified the testing protocol. "

This is what I believe to be the crux of the issue. The NCAA did not want the possibility of tonight's game being delayed until tomorrow, and I believe this fact led them to not provide adequate time for the results today. I don't believe that NC State had any recourse to stop that from happening, which is why played short handled today.
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