Where are the bullpen in this rendering? Also, is that a terraced grass seating area at the end of the 1st base seating?gopack1979 said:
I had these plans several years ago and was asked not to share them with the masses, there's a few posters on here who I'd shown when I saw them 1:1. This was posted by a friend of mine and former player on Facebook so I assume we're good to share now. The new plans should be comparable to these but I've been told there would be more fan amenities. I posted a topic outline a few years ago details about this plan but couldn't post pics. You'd enter down the right field line and we'd have a deck. Seating would be ~3kish not a huge increase. Get your check books ready as you can see here Doak can be a pretty amazing place with the right plan. This was a 4 phased approach, focusing on practice and player upgrades first. I would think that would be where we'd start with the new plans too. These boys and our coaches deserve new facilities let's make it happen when the new plans come out soon!!
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Thanks for sharing! Beautiful concept and would be a great improvement
Bullpens on this one were in the outfield. Remember these are renderings and the new plans will be different. Point should be Doak can be beautiful right where it is, we don't need to have a "new" stadium.
A little concerned about the comment we should see some changes for next year. I hope they don't throw up a canopy with a red tin roof and say here you go. Don't make it harder to do it right by just putting lipstick on it. If the stands need to come out and be reworked/retiered then do it don't halfway it just to have something by February. Cut a deal with the Holly Springs team to play there a year or two.
Dont rush it just to appease the masses right now. DO it once and Do it right.
Construction prices will come down.
Trying to park a bobcat out at the stadium tomorrow to push a pill of dirt around to pretend your doing something is not what we need, nor do we need lipstick on a pig... which is what i feel the football "food truck" area will end up being.
Id be A OK with getting all of your ducks n a row and starting the project next May, 2022 . Do it RIGHT.
The problem is that we should have had plans and renderings for baseball and football made YEARS ago... or atleast have them continuously updated and ready to go.
When the football plans were released 15-20 years ago I remember the excitement from Everybody. Wish we could do the same and you'd get more people on board once you have a vision and goal.
Construction prices will come down.
Trying to park a bobcat out at the stadium tomorrow to push a pill of dirt around to pretend your doing something is not what we need, nor do we need lipstick on a pig... which is what i feel the football "food truck" area will end up being.
Id be A OK with getting all of your ducks n a row and starting the project next May, 2022 . Do it RIGHT.
The problem is that we should have had plans and renderings for baseball and football made YEARS ago... or atleast have them continuously updated and ready to go.
When the football plans were released 15-20 years ago I remember the excitement from Everybody. Wish we could do the same and you'd get more people on board once you have a vision and goal.
A few years ago I came across some renderings on an architects firm website. Can't remember the name now but looked similar except they were overhead pictures. Do you know the firm that did those designs? Edit Found them.
https://www.cloutstudio.com/our-work/2017/9/20/ncsu-baseball-stadium
https://www.cloutstudio.com/our-work/2017/9/20/ncsu-baseball-stadium
These are very similar, I've never seen these but almost identical to what I had. We're not going to throw something up this summer, you can all settle down. And as you can see we have had plans on multiple occasions generated. We don't need to get into the why these were not acted upon. Just know the new plans are done and we will be moving forward on updates to Doak and CF very soon. Get your $ ready to donate.
I could get behind either of these designs!
I just wonder if the highest and best use of the land on which Doak currently sits is to remain the stadium. I don't really care emotionally one way or another but with Lee and the buildings over there being so old I wonder if it wouldnt be better to build the stadium we want somewhere else and use the land currently occupied by Doak and the old dorms (plus whatever that field is called) for new dorms/student living/dining/etc.
Northernpack11 said:
A few years ago I came across some renderings on an architects firm website. Can't remember the name now but looked similar except they were overhead pictures. Do you know the firm that did those designs? Edit Found them.
https://www.cloutstudio.com/our-work/2017/9/20/ncsu-baseball-stadium
Now that looks NICE!
Would this stadium allow us to host regionals?gopack1979 said:
I had these plans several years ago and was asked not to share them with the masses, there's a few posters on here who I'd shown when I saw them 1:1. This was posted by a friend of mine and former player on Facebook so I assume we're good to share now. The new plans should be comparable to these but I've been told there would be more fan amenities. I posted a topic outline a few years ago details about this plan but couldn't post pics. You'd enter down the right field line and we'd have a deck. Seating would be ~3kish not a huge increase. Get your check books ready as you can see here Doak can be a pretty amazing place with the right plan. This was a 4 phased approach, focusing on practice and player upgrades first. I would think that would be where we'd start with the new plans too. These boys and our coaches deserve new facilities let's make it happen when the new plans come out soon!!
The stadium as it exists now allows us to host.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
We can and do host regionals at Doak as it is today, but if the question is about bringing in temporary bleachers then yes this one would not require that step. That will be taken into consideration.
Come on Boo, present this or something similar and give us a price tag. We will start donating (as much as we can).
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
"The NCAA's business model would be flatly illegal in almost every other industry in America...The NCAA is not above the law."
Murphy vs. NCAA, 594 U.S. ____ (2021)
Murphy vs. NCAA, 594 U.S. ____ (2021)
This is a great idea. Its always been odd to me that the only group incentivized to attend non-revenue sporting events are the students, and they get in free.bsorry11 said:
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
Twitter: @JJwith2Jays
bsorry11 said:
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
Agree with this. I always thought a stadium in downtown would be a great idea. A replica of the Charlotte Knights stadium
As cool as it looks, I don't think the inconvenience of having to go downtown is worth it.King Leary said:bsorry11 said:
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
Agree with this. I always thought a stadium in downtown would be a great idea. A replica of the Charlotte Knights stadium
Twitter: @JJwith2Jays
My understanding (whether true or not) is that minor league politics prevent a team for coming to Raleigh. Contraction makes it less likely, I suppose.King Leary said:bsorry11 said:
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
Agree with this. I always thought a stadium in downtown would be a great idea. A replica of the Charlotte Knights stadium
MLB can't tell us not to fill that gap with a college team.
"The NCAA's business model would be flatly illegal in almost every other industry in America...The NCAA is not above the law."
Murphy vs. NCAA, 594 U.S. ____ (2021)
Murphy vs. NCAA, 594 U.S. ____ (2021)
I think research indicated we would still average the about the same attendance even with a bigger stadium. With college baseball starting in early to mid Feb now the weather is the issue. Half the season it's cold. I think we'll land somewhere around 3,500 seats when it's all said and done.
Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:My understanding (whether true or not) is that minor league politics prevent a team for coming to Raleigh. Contraction makes it less likely, I suppose.King Leary said:bsorry11 said:
State should hire someone from a minor league baseball publicity/promotion department and try and market the team like Raleigh's minor league club.
We have a million folks in the area and a gap in the minor league market. Someone could approach it a little differently and bring in folks to watch that are just looking for baseball a little closer to home.
Agree with this. I always thought a stadium in downtown would be a great idea. A replica of the Charlotte Knights stadium
MLB can't tell us not to fill that gap with a college team.
I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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What authority does Mr. Wolfe have to call those shots?DrummerboyWolf said:I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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It was a rule in minor league baseball at the time. James would love it. The Bulls were the only game in town and he wanted to keep it that way so he exercised his right to keep teams 35 miles away. That is why the Mudcats are in the middle of nowhere and play in Five County Stadium because it's 35 miles away from the old Durham Athletic Park.BobbyCox95 said:What authority does Mr. Wolfe have to call those shots?DrummerboyWolf said:I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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Here is a story. And my mistake it's Mile Wolff with no e on the end.
https://indyweek.com/culture/sports/ever-shadow-durham-bulls-carolina-mudcats-the-triangle-s-minor-league-team-want-get-attention/
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Is it still a rule?DrummerboyWolf said:It was a rule in minor league baseball at the time. James would love it. The Bulls were the only game in town and he wanted to keep it that way so he exercised his right to keep teams 35 miles away. That is why the Mudcats are in the middle of nowhere and play in Five County Stadium because it's 35 miles away from the old Durham Athletic Park.BobbyCox95 said:What authority does Mr. Wolfe have to call those shots?DrummerboyWolf said:I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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Here is a story. And my mistake it's Mile Wolff with no e on the end.
https://indyweek.com/culture/sports/ever-shadow-durham-bulls-carolina-mudcats-the-triangle-s-minor-league-team-want-get-attention/
I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:Is it still a rule?DrummerboyWolf said:It was a rule in minor league baseball at the time. James would love it. The Bulls were the only game in town and he wanted to keep it that way so he exercised his right to keep teams 35 miles away. That is why the Mudcats are in the middle of nowhere and play in Five County Stadium because it's 35 miles away from the old Durham Athletic Park.BobbyCox95 said:What authority does Mr. Wolfe have to call those shots?DrummerboyWolf said:I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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Here is a story. And my mistake it's Mile Wolff with no e on the end.
https://indyweek.com/culture/sports/ever-shadow-durham-bulls-carolina-mudcats-the-triangle-s-minor-league-team-want-get-attention/
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
And they where on Yow desk
DrummerboyWolf said:I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:Is it still a rule?DrummerboyWolf said:It was a rule in minor league baseball at the time. James would love it. The Bulls were the only game in town and he wanted to keep it that way so he exercised his right to keep teams 35 miles away. That is why the Mudcats are in the middle of nowhere and play in Five County Stadium because it's 35 miles away from the old Durham Athletic Park.BobbyCox95 said:What authority does Mr. Wolfe have to call those shots?DrummerboyWolf said:I believe it's 35 miles. The former owner of the Bulls would not allow anything inside that. I think his name was /is Miles Wolfe, but don't quote me on that.gopack1979 said:Durham Bulls have a signed in blood radius of ~30 miles(I think) that prevents another team from building. That's why the Mudcats are where they are.bsorry11 said:
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Here is a story. And my mistake it's Mile Wolff with no e on the end.
https://indyweek.com/culture/sports/ever-shadow-durham-bulls-carolina-mudcats-the-triangle-s-minor-league-team-want-get-attention/
Well you seemed to be the know it all on the subject. Figured I'd ask. That's doesn't really matter anyway.
I was wondering in the beginning of this topic if the structure already there was engineered to support more stands above. Judging by the renderings, I guess it does. I always thought we should close down Varsity Dr and make a small plaza between Doak and the Tennis facility (brick I would imagine). That also may make more room to extend the structure to the west some to accommodate an upper level. Designed a lot like the DBAP is now with the lower level there being what Doak is now.
I imagine any AD worth her salt always has a set of plans for all sorts of stuff on her desk for when major donors come calling.JCooke93 said:
And they where on Yow desk
But if I have a choice between funding Reynolds Coliseum upgrade, which accomodates four sports (WBB, WVBm Wres., and Rifle) AND which I'm getting money from academic side for part of costs, and Doak which (apparently) has NO major donor support in the $10 -$15 million leadership gift range and which would accomodate only one sport and which has NO academic side support, then that's an easy decision to make.
And until Gravis or someone like that apprises me otherwise, these apocryphal stories about large baseball donors being turned down by mean ole' Debbie Yow don't amount to a hill of beans until I see the press release from Boo about the 8-figure Doak Stadium overhaul naming gift.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
The minor league exclusive territory rule shouldn't be incomprehensible or nonsensical to anyone who has experience with a sales territory or franchise of any kind. You get exclusive rights to an area in order to protect your investment. It would have been a disaster to take a franchise with the history and intimate links to Durham's tobacco past and trade that for some generic "Raleigh-Durham" baseball team playing out in Brier Creek or RTP somewhere, which is why none of those proposals ever got off the drawing board. A team that belongs to every community in the Triangle belongs to noone.BobbyCox95 said:DrummerboyWolf said:I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:
Is it still a rule?
Well you seemed to be the know it all on the subject. Figured I'd ask. That's doesn't really matter anyway.
I was wondering in the beginning of this topic if the structure already there was engineered to support more stands above. Judging by the renderings, I guess it does. I always thought we should close down Varsity Dr and make a small plaza between Doak and the Tennis facility (brick I would imagine). That also may make more room to extend the structure to the west some to accommodate an upper level. Designed a lot like the DBAP is now with the lower level there being what Doak is now.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Yea I get that but the way I read it originally was that the guy would owned the Bulls made that rule. My question was, how does he have that authority. I think I understand it correctly now that that was actually a MiLB rule that the Bulls owner decided to exercise. As in.....he could have waved it to allow a team in downtown Raleigh but chose not to. If I am wrong in any of that, please correct me.89_Grad said:The minor league exclusive territory rule shouldn't be incomprehensible or nonsensical to anyone who has experience with a sales territory or franchise of any kind. You get exclusive rights to an area in order to protect your investment. It would have been a disaster to take a franchise with the history and intimate links to Durham's tobacco past and trade that for some generic "Raleigh-Durham" baseball team playing out in Brier Creek or RTP somewhere, which is why none of those proposals ever got off the drawing board. A team that belongs to every community in the Triangle belongs to noone.BobbyCox95 said:DrummerboyWolf said:I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:
Is it still a rule?
Well you seemed to be the know it all on the subject. Figured I'd ask. That's doesn't really matter anyway.
I was wondering in the beginning of this topic if the structure already there was engineered to support more stands above. Judging by the renderings, I guess it does. I always thought we should close down Varsity Dr and make a small plaza between Doak and the Tennis facility (brick I would imagine). That also may make more room to extend the structure to the west some to accommodate an upper level. Designed a lot like the DBAP is now with the lower level there being what Doak is now.
I told you it was a rule in minor league baseball at the time.BobbyCox95 said:Yea I get that but the way I read it originally was that the guy would owned the Bulls made that rule. My question was, how does he have that authority. I think I understand it correctly now that that was actually a MiLB rule that the Bulls owner decided to exercise. As in.....he could have waved it to allow a team in downtown Raleigh but chose not to. If I am wrong in any of that, please correct me.89_Grad said:The minor league exclusive territory rule shouldn't be incomprehensible or nonsensical to anyone who has experience with a sales territory or franchise of any kind. You get exclusive rights to an area in order to protect your investment. It would have been a disaster to take a franchise with the history and intimate links to Durham's tobacco past and trade that for some generic "Raleigh-Durham" baseball team playing out in Brier Creek or RTP somewhere, which is why none of those proposals ever got off the drawing board. A team that belongs to every community in the Triangle belongs to noone.BobbyCox95 said:DrummerboyWolf said:I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:
Is it still a rule?
Well you seemed to be the know it all on the subject. Figured I'd ask. That's doesn't really matter anyway.
I was wondering in the beginning of this topic if the structure already there was engineered to support more stands above. Judging by the renderings, I guess it does. I always thought we should close down Varsity Dr and make a small plaza between Doak and the Tennis facility (brick I would imagine). That also may make more room to extend the structure to the west some to accommodate an upper level. Designed a lot like the DBAP is now with the lower level there being what Doak is now.
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
You posted that after I asked what authority did Wolff have. Did you not read the part where I said "I understand it correctly now?"DrummerboyWolf said:I told you it was a rule in minor league baseball at the time.BobbyCox95 said:Yea I get that but the way I read it originally was that the guy would owned the Bulls made that rule. My question was, how does he have that authority. I think I understand it correctly now that that was actually a MiLB rule that the Bulls owner decided to exercise. As in.....he could have waved it to allow a team in downtown Raleigh but chose not to. If I am wrong in any of that, please correct me.89_Grad said:The minor league exclusive territory rule shouldn't be incomprehensible or nonsensical to anyone who has experience with a sales territory or franchise of any kind. You get exclusive rights to an area in order to protect your investment. It would have been a disaster to take a franchise with the history and intimate links to Durham's tobacco past and trade that for some generic "Raleigh-Durham" baseball team playing out in Brier Creek or RTP somewhere, which is why none of those proposals ever got off the drawing board. A team that belongs to every community in the Triangle belongs to noone.BobbyCox95 said:DrummerboyWolf said:I imagine it is. You can check that out on your own.BobbyCox95 said:
Is it still a rule?
Well you seemed to be the know it all on the subject. Figured I'd ask. That's doesn't really matter anyway.
I was wondering in the beginning of this topic if the structure already there was engineered to support more stands above. Judging by the renderings, I guess it does. I always thought we should close down Varsity Dr and make a small plaza between Doak and the Tennis facility (brick I would imagine). That also may make more room to extend the structure to the west some to accommodate an upper level. Designed a lot like the DBAP is now with the lower level there being what Doak is now.
If you go back and look, I said it was a rule and you asked was it still a rule. Then after that you said you understood it. I am not going to derail the thread anymore.BobbyCox95 said:
You posted that after I asked what authority did Wolff have. Did you not read the part where I said "I understand it correctly now?"
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Great idea. I dont even know what we are debating anymore.DrummerboyWolf said:If you go back and look, I said it was a rule and you asked was it still a rule. Then after that you said you understood it. I am not going to derail the thread anymore.BobbyCox95 said:
You posted that after I asked what authority did Wolff have. Did you not read the part where I said "I understand it correctly now?"
Back to the Doak.....did DY have a primary donor or a plan in place for the funds for the Basketball dorm? Since that was scrapped, maybe we could lean on those funds to get us started. We only put 6 mill into our last Doak renovation and it shows. I would rather wait till we have the proper funds to make this thing really nice then to half-ass it and be right back in this position 10 years from now.
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