You *do* realize government shutdowns have been used as a cudgel by both sides for the past 40 years, right? Or are you just trying to be the left version of BBW? Just wondering so I can put you on ignore as well, if so.SmaptyWolf said:Congress can't pass a budget, because the aforementioned MAGA Republican radicals are trying to govern from the minority of the minority (instead of winning elections and having the most votes, they prefer the "we'll burn it all down unless we get our way" approach).hokiewolf said:Somebody better get a memo to Congress that they control the purse strings and not passing an actual budget and kicking the can with these continuing resolutions is Banana Republic stuff.SmaptyWolf said:Somebody better get a memo to the Republican radicals in the House that try to shut down the government every other week when a Dem is in charge. Banana Republic stuff.Oldsouljer said:
On another topic and not that I take BLS stats all that seriously, they're noting that coming out of the pandemic, 60% of the population is over 65 years of age. Interesting if true, old people turnout to vote and old people abhor instability.
The Republican House speaker could pass a budget tomorrow, the one that he agreed on in the Spring, but he's more concerned about keeping his job than whether or not our country is about to punch its own economy in the balls.
You'd almost think they want economic turmoil while Biden is in the White House. Hmmmmm.
Yes, back in the 1980s the Dem House regularly shut down the government for a couple days, sparring with Reagan over some random policy. I actually think that was bull****, too.griff17matt said:You *do* realize government shutdowns have been used as a cudgel by both sides for the past 40 years, right? Or are you just trying to be the left version of BBW? Just wondering so I can put you on ignore as well, if so.SmaptyWolf said:Congress can't pass a budget, because the aforementioned MAGA Republican radicals are trying to govern from the minority of the minority (instead of winning elections and having the most votes, they prefer the "we'll burn it all down unless we get our way" approach).hokiewolf said:Somebody better get a memo to Congress that they control the purse strings and not passing an actual budget and kicking the can with these continuing resolutions is Banana Republic stuff.SmaptyWolf said:Somebody better get a memo to the Republican radicals in the House that try to shut down the government every other week when a Dem is in charge. Banana Republic stuff.Oldsouljer said:
On another topic and not that I take BLS stats all that seriously, they're noting that coming out of the pandemic, 60% of the population is over 65 years of age. Interesting if true, old people turnout to vote and old people abhor instability.
The Republican House speaker could pass a budget tomorrow, the one that he agreed on in the Spring, but he's more concerned about keeping his job than whether or not our country is about to punch its own economy in the balls.
You'd almost think they want economic turmoil while Biden is in the White House. Hmmmmm.
SmaptyWolf said:Yes, back in the 1980s the Dem House regularly shut down the government for a couple days, sparring with Reagan over some random policy. I actually think that was bull****, too.griff17matt said:You *do* realize government shutdowns have been used as a cudgel by both sides for the past 40 years, right? Or are you just trying to be the left version of BBW? Just wondering so I can put you on ignore as well, if so.SmaptyWolf said:Congress can't pass a budget, because the aforementioned MAGA Republican radicals are trying to govern from the minority of the minority (instead of winning elections and having the most votes, they prefer the "we'll burn it all down unless we get our way" approach).hokiewolf said:Somebody better get a memo to Congress that they control the purse strings and not passing an actual budget and kicking the can with these continuing resolutions is Banana Republic stuff.SmaptyWolf said:Somebody better get a memo to the Republican radicals in the House that try to shut down the government every other week when a Dem is in charge. Banana Republic stuff.Oldsouljer said:
On another topic and not that I take BLS stats all that seriously, they're noting that coming out of the pandemic, 60% of the population is over 65 years of age. Interesting if true, old people turnout to vote and old people abhor instability.
The Republican House speaker could pass a budget tomorrow, the one that he agreed on in the Spring, but he's more concerned about keeping his job than whether or not our country is about to punch its own economy in the balls.
You'd almost think they want economic turmoil while Biden is in the White House. Hmmmmm.
But to draw an equivalence with what Republicans are doing now, Dems would have insisted that Reagan has to mint Karl Mark's face on the quarter or they're burning it all down. Obviously not happening. The MAGA Republicans' are asking for ridiculous stuff because their goal isn't any policy... they want the shutdown.
No, the Trump shutdown was all Trump. Congress had a budget ready to go that Trump even agreed to, then at the last second after pressure from the right wing he threatened to veto the budget unless it added billion for his stupid wall. That's what caused the shutdown.griff17matt said:SmaptyWolf said:Yes, back in the 1980s the Dem House regularly shut down the government for a couple days, sparring with Reagan over some random policy. I actually think that was bull****, too.griff17matt said:You *do* realize government shutdowns have been used as a cudgel by both sides for the past 40 years, right? Or are you just trying to be the left version of BBW? Just wondering so I can put you on ignore as well, if so.SmaptyWolf said:Congress can't pass a budget, because the aforementioned MAGA Republican radicals are trying to govern from the minority of the minority (instead of winning elections and having the most votes, they prefer the "we'll burn it all down unless we get our way" approach).hokiewolf said:Somebody better get a memo to Congress that they control the purse strings and not passing an actual budget and kicking the can with these continuing resolutions is Banana Republic stuff.SmaptyWolf said:Somebody better get a memo to the Republican radicals in the House that try to shut down the government every other week when a Dem is in charge. Banana Republic stuff.Oldsouljer said:
On another topic and not that I take BLS stats all that seriously, they're noting that coming out of the pandemic, 60% of the population is over 65 years of age. Interesting if true, old people turnout to vote and old people abhor instability.
The Republican House speaker could pass a budget tomorrow, the one that he agreed on in the Spring, but he's more concerned about keeping his job than whether or not our country is about to punch its own economy in the balls.
You'd almost think they want economic turmoil while Biden is in the White House. Hmmmmm.
But to draw an equivalence with what Republicans are doing now, Dems would have insisted that Reagan has to mint Karl Mark's face on the quarter or they're burning it all down. Obviously not happening. The MAGA Republicans' are asking for ridiculous stuff because their goal isn't any policy... they want the shutdown.
So the answer to that 2nd question is yes. Pubs kicked it back up with the Obamacare stuff in the 2010s, then Dems used it for DACA and the boarder wall stuff. Please quit acting like your team doesn't play politics with just as much venom as your opponent. The victim **** is played out.
In October 2021, Karine Jean-Pierre said a border wall "doesn't work" and "is not an effective policy."
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 5, 2023
Yesterday, the Biden admin declared an "immediate need" for a border wall in south Texas.pic.twitter.com/71gxxnSx6I
Let me check. Yep. The wall is still stupid.BBW12OG said:
How stupid is that wall now?
Can't wait to hear you backtracking on this one. But, like a typical lefty with their head up their ass you will lie your way around it.In October 2021, Karine Jean-Pierre said a border wall "doesn't work" and "is not an effective policy."
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 5, 2023
Yesterday, the Biden admin declared an "immediate need" for a border wall in south Texas.pic.twitter.com/71gxxnSx6I
You lefties are something else....
LOL...SmaptyWolf said:Let me check. Yep. The wall is still stupid.BBW12OG said:
How stupid is that wall now?
Can't wait to hear you backtracking on this one. But, like a typical lefty with their head up their ass you will lie your way around it.In October 2021, Karine Jean-Pierre said a border wall "doesn't work" and "is not an effective policy."
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 5, 2023
Yesterday, the Biden admin declared an "immediate need" for a border wall in south Texas.pic.twitter.com/71gxxnSx6I
You lefties are something else....
Share this montage! Democrats and Biden said walls don't work and it was racist to build one. They lied. pic.twitter.com/WzyV6wsHxr
— The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show (@clayandbuck) October 5, 2023
Now if only Biden would start stealing 5 year old kids from their parents and locking them in cages by themselves you guys would really reach climax.caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
You never do follow investigations, do you? That was actually on Obama's watch!! It's killing you that Trump still reigns supreme in your mind...SmaptyWolf said:Now if only Biden would start stealing 5 year old kids from their parents and locking them in cages by themselves you guys would really reach climax.caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
It's obvious that dude doesn't have any f'n clue about what he is talking about... but now he's just making himself look really stupid in general on top of that!caryking said:You never do follow investigations, do you? That was actually on Obama's watch!! It's killing you that Trump still reigns supreme in your mind...SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
Nice try. Family separations were very rare in prior admins, they had family detention centers, etc. But with Trumps "Zero Tolerance" stuff, every crossing was referred for prosecution, and every kid was separated as though their parent was a child smuggler. Nowhere near enough family detention centers, so off to separate cages in other cities the thousands of kids went. This was all Stephen Miller's brainchild, and as they bragged constantly, the cruelty was the point... who would want to come here if they knew their kid would be stolen and traumatized upon arrival?caryking said:You never do follow investigations, do you? That was actually on Obama's watch!! It's killing you that Trump still reigns supreme in your mind...SmaptyWolf said:Now if only Biden would start stealing 5 year old kids from their parents and locking them in cages by themselves you guys would really reach climax.caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
SmaptyWolf said:Nice try. Family separations were very rare in prior admins, they had family detention centers, etc. But with Trumps "Zero Tolerance" stuff, every crossing was referred for prosecution, and every kid was separated as though their parent was a child smuggler. Nowhere near enough family detention centers, so off to separate cages in other cities the thousands of kids went. This was all Stephen Miller's brainchild, and as they bragged constantly, the cruelty was the point... who would want to come here if they knew their kid would be stolen upon arrival?caryking said:You never do follow investigations, do you? That was actually on Obama's watch!! It's killing you that Trump still reigns supreme in your mind...SmaptyWolf said:Now if only Biden would start stealing 5 year old kids from their parents and locking them in cages by themselves you guys would really reach climax.caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
Until of course everyone saw the videos of what you were doing. Then it was like "But Obama!".
Seriously, will you guys ever own up to your demonic BS?
packgrad said:SmaptyWolf said:Nice try. Family separations were very rare in prior admins, they had family detention centers, etc. But with Trumps "Zero Tolerance" stuff, every crossing was referred for prosecution, and every kid was separated as though their parent was a child smuggler. Nowhere near enough family detention centers, so off to separate cages in other cities the thousands of kids went. This was all Stephen Miller's brainchild, and as they bragged constantly, the cruelty was the point... who would want to come here if they knew their kid would be stolen upon arrival?caryking said:You never do follow investigations, do you? That was actually on Obama's watch!! It's killing you that Trump still reigns supreme in your mind...SmaptyWolf said:Now if only Biden would start stealing 5 year old kids from their parents and locking them in cages by themselves you guys would really reach climax.caryking said:
Biden is throwing, anything he can, against the wall, to see what will stick. He knows the Trump policies resonate with the people.
Build that wall!!!
Until of course everyone saw the videos of what you were doing. Then it was like "But Obama!".
Seriously, will you guys ever own up to your demonic BS?
5 edits and he's still wrong. Lol.
Lol. He never was worth engaging to begin with... he's nothing but a liberal, ****ing smartass...packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
that's very true! I don't think anybody likes him, or is that it?TheStorm said:Lol. He never was worth engaging to begin with... he's nothing but a liberal, ****ing smartass...packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
Look at his posts on the sports boards...
So then stop. You've yet to say anything that doesn't sound like a 14-year-old wrote it, so I think I'll be ok.packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
Lol, I think I understand the problem now... you mentally peaked in Junior High School.caryking said:that's very true! I don't think anybody likes him, or is that it?TheStorm said:Lol. He never was worth engaging to begin with... he's nothing but a liberal, ****ing smartass...packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
Look at his posts on the sports boards...
Look at him… he (or it) is the person, outside the crowd, jumping up and down, waving their hands, wanting attention. He all… I'm here…let me in, let me in…SmaptyWolf said:Lol, I think I understand the problem now... you mentally peaked in Junior High School.caryking said:that's very true! I don't think anybody likes him, or is that it?TheStorm said:Lol. He never was worth engaging to begin with... he's nothing but a liberal, ****ing smartass...packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
Look at his posts on the sports boards...
Come on guys! I just got 31 likes in a post the other day! I'm totally popular, too! I mean, I'm not as popular as you guys, given how many years you've been barfing turds in the Water Cooler, but maybe some day!
I rarely engage with him. No reason to. Brings nothing to the table at all.caryking said:Look at him… he (or it) is the person, outside the crowd, jumping up and down, waving their hands, wanting attention. He all… I'm here…let me in, let me in…SmaptyWolf said:Lol, I think I understand the problem now... you mentally peaked in Junior High School.caryking said:that's very true! I don't think anybody likes him, or is that it?TheStorm said:Lol. He never was worth engaging to begin with... he's nothing but a liberal, ****ing smartass...packgrad said:
Nm. It's evident this cat isn't worth engaging.
Look at his posts on the sports boards...
Come on guys! I just got 31 likes in a post the other day! I'm totally popular, too! I mean, I'm not as popular as you guys, given how many years you've been barfing turds in the Water Cooler, but maybe some day!
hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Look at the three responses... look who made them. That says it all.packgrad said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Proven not to work by fake republicans and democrats. Funny how walls and requirements for entry work in other countries but don't work here. Hopefully some more lefties, other than smapty, will like your post to get you what you're looking for.
Embittered former Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton calls for the "formal deprogramming" of millions of hardworking Americans who disagree with her pic.twitter.com/na9hPG0ITt
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 6, 2023
packgrad said:Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
Look at civ playing the "racists!" card. I fondly remember the old days where you pretended to be an independent. Lol.
I just want people to come here legally. Really, nothing more or nothing less.Civilized said:packgrad said:Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
Look at civ playing the "racists!" card. I fondly remember the old days where you pretended to be an independent. Lol.
LOLOL. Y'all bang on libs for making everything about race and then turn around and bring racism accusations into a conversation where it wasn't said or implied (by me anyway).
People banging the "build the wall" or anti-immigration drum are almost exclusively focused on the 75% of illegals that flow across our southern border from Mexico/Central/South America. And (aside from the overwhelming majority of those immigrants being white) I wasn't talking about racism because most people that don't want those immigrants flowing in balk at things (fair or unfair) like their impact on the job market, crimes they commit, and taxes they don't pay. Making them legal fixes the tax piece but not the job market or crime pieces.
caryking said:I just want people to come here legally. Really, nothing more or nothing less.Civilized said:packgrad said:Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
Look at civ playing the "racists!" card. I fondly remember the old days where you pretended to be an independent. Lol.
LOLOL. Y'all bang on libs for making everything about race and then turn around and bring racism accusations into a conversation where it wasn't said or implied (by me anyway).
People banging the "build the wall" or anti-immigration drum are almost exclusively focused on the 75% of illegals that flow across our southern border from Mexico/Central/South America. And (aside from the overwhelming majority of those immigrants being white) I wasn't talking about racism because most people that don't want those immigrants flowing in balk at things (fair or unfair) like their impact on the job market, crimes they commit, and taxes they don't pay. Making them legal fixes the tax piece but not the job market or crime pieces.
Civilized said:caryking said:I just want people to come here legally. Really, nothing more or nothing less.Civilized said:packgrad said:Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
Look at civ playing the "racists!" card. I fondly remember the old days where you pretended to be an independent. Lol.
LOLOL. Y'all bang on libs for making everything about race and then turn around and bring racism accusations into a conversation where it wasn't said or implied (by me anyway).
People banging the "build the wall" or anti-immigration drum are almost exclusively focused on the 75% of illegals that flow across our southern border from Mexico/Central/South America. And (aside from the overwhelming majority of those immigrants being white) I wasn't talking about racism because most people that don't want those immigrants flowing in balk at things (fair or unfair) like their impact on the job market, crimes they commit, and taxes they don't pay. Making them legal fixes the tax piece but not the job market or crime pieces.
So you good with making the immigration process more streamlined and much quicker and easier to navigate?
Civ, I have said this before…. All anyone has to do is go to their local DMV and tell me that process is simple…. How can the immigration process be simple? So, yes, revise the process!!Civilized said:caryking said:I just want people to come here legally. Really, nothing more or nothing less.Civilized said:packgrad said:Civilized said:hokiewolf said:
All this arguing about policies that are proven not to work to curb illegal immigration when the simple solution is to take away the sole reason to immigrate illegally into the United States - the demand to enter the United States legally is higher than the available supply of opportunities to enter the United States legally. Go fix that and you will wipe out illegal entry.
Most people that hand-wring over illegal immigration care a lot more about the immigration piece than the illegal piece.
They don't want the immigrants here, legal or not, so increasing opportunities to legally immigrate doesn't solve their real problem.
Look at civ playing the "racists!" card. I fondly remember the old days where you pretended to be an independent. Lol.
LOLOL. Y'all bang on libs for making everything about race and then turn around and bring racism accusations into a conversation where it wasn't said or implied (by me anyway).
People banging the "build the wall" or anti-immigration drum are almost exclusively focused on the 75% of illegals that flow across our southern border from Mexico/Central/South America. And (aside from the overwhelming majority of those immigrants being white) I wasn't talking about racism because most people that don't want those immigrants flowing in balk at things (fair or unfair) like their impact on the job market, crimes they commit, and taxes they don't pay. Making them legal fixes the tax piece but not the job market or crime pieces.
So you good with making the immigration process more streamlined and much quicker and easier to navigate?
