Glasswolf said:Maybe NC will catch on somedayIseWolf22 said:
I'm going to take a second to celebrate the fact that South Dakota, Montana, Arizona, and New Jersey all legalized marijuana. Mississippi is now allowing medical marijuana.
packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
jadawson said:because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
Gut feeling.
well seeing as they would be suing individual county board of elections i dont see why they would wait if they had proof in that county.packgrad said:jadawson said:because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
So do you think all of them should be argued in court individually today or do you think maybe it takes some time?
My guess is because they're not concerned with doing it on some liberal message board guy's time. They'll do it when they're ready. Kind of foolish to think it has no tooth because it hasn't been done when you think it should have been (without any basis of reason for why it should have been done already).jadawson said:well seeing as they would be suing individual county board of elections i dont see why they would wait if they had proof in that county.packgrad said:jadawson said:because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
So do you think all of them should be argued in court individually today or do you think maybe it takes some time?
jadawson said:because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
GoPack2008 said:jadawson said:because a reporter would have found it and reported on it the same way they did the lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have since been thrown outpackgrad said:jadawson said:I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?packgrad said:Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:Bas2020 said:
More fraud... in just one Michigan County.
Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly
Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.
What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?
How do you know what they haven't?
The world is really confusing to these guys. It's like they don't have a coherent, consistent understanding of anything.
RunsWithWolves26 said:
So it's Saturday. Any CONFIRMED AND PROVEN cases of voter fraud resulting in 30,000-60,000 votes counted that shouldn't have been?
I voted for Trump this time so don't tell me I'm some radlib.
jadawson said:
I appreciate that there wasn't a comment in here during the game. We need to remember that at the end of the day we're all pack fans!
Not true. The media controls nothing. There are votes to be counted or discounted. lawsuits to be filed. No election has been certified yet. You know not of what you speak. The Republican led legislatures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina can vote how ever they want. If they feel that the vote was fraudulent then they can elect Trump. They send the electors to vote for President. It's in the Constitution, but I am sure you knew that.PackBacker07 said:
Pennsylvania called for President-elect Biden. The race is OVER.
jadawson said:
Biden still has fewer votes in the city of Philadelphia than Clinton did in 2016 whereas Trump has more than he had in 2016. This is way less about "dem run cities" than it is about suburban counties in battleground states moving left of where they were in 2016.
Cthepack said:jadawson said:
Biden still has fewer votes in the city of Philadelphia than Clinton did in 2016 whereas Trump has more than he had in 2016. This is way less about "dem run cities" than it is about suburban counties in battleground states moving left of where they were in 2016.
Looks like the election had very little to do with Biden and everything to do with Trump. Heard a stat this morning that 67% percent of votes for Biden were votes against trump. I did not hear details if a specific location.
I agree. This thing is done. Based on the your statement "Let's hope it works out better than the last four years". What exact policy's are you hoping goes better? I'm not talking personality's; rather policy's.PackBacker07 said:
Yes, I know how the electors work. I also know that, by Pennsylvania state law, the legislature cannot send their own. But I'm sure you knew that as well?
Every race is not technically over until early January when the House confirms electoral votes. But, this one is over. Let's hope it works out better than the last four years.
Civilized said:Cthepack said:jadawson said:
Biden still has fewer votes in the city of Philadelphia than Clinton did in 2016 whereas Trump has more than he had in 2016. This is way less about "dem run cities" than it is about suburban counties in battleground states moving left of where they were in 2016.
Looks like the election had very little to do with Biden and everything to do with Trump. Heard a stat this morning that 67% percent of votes for Biden were votes against trump. I did not hear details if a specific location.
I wonder how that compares to "normal" elections.
I don't think very much of anything will get done because we are likely to keep a Republican Senate and Mitch McConnell has vowed to block pretty much every piece of legislation that comes his way.caryking said:I agree. This thing is done. Based on the your statement "Let's hope it works out better than the last four years". What exact policy's are you hoping goes better? I'm not talking personality's; rather policy's.PackBacker07 said:
Yes, I know how the electors work. I also know that, by Pennsylvania state law, the legislature cannot send their own. But I'm sure you knew that as well?
Every race is not technically over until early January when the House confirms electoral votes. But, this one is over. Let's hope it works out better than the last four years.
Tell us what you want to be different from a policy standpoint...
jadawson said:I don't think very much of anything will get done because we are likely to keep a Republican Senate and Mitch McConnell has vowed to block pretty much every piece of legislation that comes his way.caryking said:I agree. This thing is done. Based on the your statement "Let's hope it works out better than the last four years". What exact policy's are you hoping goes better? I'm not talking personality's; rather policy's.PackBacker07 said:
Yes, I know how the electors work. I also know that, by Pennsylvania state law, the legislature cannot send their own. But I'm sure you knew that as well?
Every race is not technically over until early January when the House confirms electoral votes. But, this one is over. Let's hope it works out better than the last four years.
Tell us what you want to be different from a policy standpoint...
But in general, things i'm interested in that may have a chance but that is to be seen:
- Heavy investment in Green/renewable energy. In terms of research, in terms of job creation, in terms of lower our dependence on foreign energy sources.
- Rejoin Global Climate Accords - I'm not talking about the green new deal. Im talking about simply stating we are with the rest of the world and will work with everyone to make the world a cleaner place. I don't care if you believe global warming is real or if it's man made, making the world a cleaner place for the future generations is not a bad thing.
- Incentivize states to reduce incarceration levels including attempting to end for-profit prisons . States should be incentivized to look into arrest totals of non-violent offenders and be incentivized to release first time non-violent offenders for things like marijuana possession. Marijuana should also be decriminalized nationally but i don't think that will pass. For-profit prisons are a stain on our country. How we allow individuals to profit off of the incarceration of our citizens is beyond me.
- Relax Trump's isolationist views on foreign policy - I don't think the US should be involving itself in every entanglement around the world like we have sometimes in the past, but we are a world leader and in 2020 that means we are a leader that works with other nations in unison.
Immigration/Travel - End travel bans from majority muslim countries. take away the limits on the number of applications the US can review for people seeking asylum.
Education - Heavy investment in community colleges and other low tuition opportunities. Start a committee to look into the student loan debt crisis in this country. That is a bubble that is going to pop at some point and its not going to be pretty when it does. Tuition goes up as wages remain stagnant, that can't work long term.
Revise Trump Tax Cuts - The tax cuts were an overwhelming victory for large corporations and wealthy individuals who are now paying far less in tax than they did prior to 2016. It's a large reason why the debt is still rising under Trump. The law cut corporate taxes permanently but only cut it for (some) individuals temporarily until 2025 then they get raised again (they get raised by design exactly when trump thought he would be out of office. funny how that works). If you are a property owning individual in an already high tax state (think the NE or Cali) then your taxes went up under this plan as you can no longer file deductions for as much mortgage interest as well as the deduction for state/local tax paid was lowered.
Who do you anticipate will be pardoned? Trump has a ways to go to catch Obama, do you think he will pardon as many as Obama did?ciscopack said:
When will massive PARDONS start?
