jadawson said:

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Ripper said:

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There are only a few cities in the country where Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama in votes. Guess where they are? The cities in question. If Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama across the board in Dem strongholds, I'd have no problem.

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Joe Biden has 8 million more votes than Hillary got. You think that's only from a few cities?

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Bas2020 said:

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jadawson said:

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Ripper said:

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There are only a few cities in the country where Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama in votes. Guess where they are? The cities in question. If Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama across the board in Dem strongholds, I'd have no problem.

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Joe Biden has 8 million more votes than Hillary got. You think that's only from a few cities?

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And Trump has more votes than Obama.... its called population growth.


There are millions of more people on planet earth and in the US than 4....8 years ago. Basic math.

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ncsualum05 said:

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WE haven't even scratched the surface. You're seeing things coming out everywhere now in MI as well as PA, GA, NV. Slowly but surely we'll discover more. I would not concede or accept the Harris/Biden win until all the states in question are recounted with WATCHERS right there to verify. And any ballot that has irregularities, not properly signed, dated, etc. should be thrown out period. This should never be acceptable in this country. And no democrat should disagree with me either. We need a free and fair election that we can trust. Biden could still win but we need to make this right.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Anybody burning buildings down yet? Asking for a friend.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Anybody burning buildings down yet? Asking for a friend.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Anybody burning buildings down yet? Asking for a friend.

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jadawson said:

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WE haven't even scratched the surface. You're seeing things coming out everywhere now in MI as well as PA, GA, NV. Slowly but surely we'll discover more. I would not concede or accept the Harris/Biden win until all the states in question are recounted with WATCHERS right there to verify. And any ballot that has irregularities, not properly signed, dated, etc. should be thrown out period. This should never be acceptable in this country. And no democrat should disagree with me either. We need a free and fair election that we can trust. Biden could still win but we need to make this right.

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Watchers were there the first time they were counted in every state

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Packchem91 said:

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This election does not appear to have been a rebuke of the republican party. They still have a good chance of maintaining control of the Senate or atleast being evenly split, and they picked up seats in the House.

This is just a rebuke against Donald Trump and his divisive rhetoric and lack of a moral compass. There is nothing inspiring about Joe Biden as a candidate even for Democrats. He is not the reason there is a record number of ballots this election and nobody was excited to vote for him. He (will likely) win because he's not Donald Trump and people are tired of Trump and willing to come out in droves to vote for anyone that is not him. Much like in 2016 I think part of Trump's advantage was that he was not Hillary Clinton with all of her baggage, the same is true of him this time around.

The republican party just needs to do some self-analysis as to the direction they want to go. If they move back towards the center and get rid of the QAnon/conspiracy fringe that is seeping into control then i think they will find a lot more independents willing to go their way. Whether that happens or not is up in the air, they seem pretty satisfied with where they are right now outside of the results they are disputing.

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Post of the day. Even as a Republican, I am happy to be rid of Trump. He's disgusted me his entire career, was disappointed he was our nominee 4 years ago, and though I'm 100% glad Hillary was not our president, Trump has been to divisive to be put into the most important job in the world.

I hope Biden will reach out across the aisle, and I hope the GOP will find some viable young candidates who aren't there to appease the far right wings of the party. I'd much rather steal some of the moderate left than the far right.

And the evangelicals need to line up behind someone with morals next time.

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There is going to be post mortems in both parties and their will be major fights over the direction of the party.

The close loss gives Trumpism a leg to stand on when they argue that Republicans should embrace nationalism, and the culture war. Serious voices on the right want to reject classical liberalism and embrace us vs. them tactics to "win" the direction of the country. Trump isn't going away. Don Jr. will try to stay a voice in the party, and might run in 2024 or possibly for something like a senate seat. Cotton, Hawley, Gaetz, etc. will try to stay in this mold.
Instead the GOP should embrace moderates, minorities, and libertarians. Pursue small government solutions and focus on solutions that make the system more fair for everyone. Hailey, Kaisch, and others will represent that wing.

Democrats will also have their own series of fights. Already the Bernie wing is blaming Biden and moderate democrats for not winning the Senate. They are moral crusaders and wont just fall in line behind Pelosi.

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Whats crazy to me is --- Trump was so stupid, he really p'd away a golden opportunity to actually do something very few, if any, recent GOP candidates have been able to do --- make major inroads with black, and the hugely growing Hispanic voters.

I mean, pre-covid, he absolutely could point to the rising tide theory giving POC jobs, and better jobs. But his stubbornness to be painted into a racist corner with the far right wing, made sure most POC would never vote for him. Just simple things like word choices, carefully worded statements, a couple of reach outs across the aisle....and I think he would have gained a ton of votes from blacks.
Instead, most still saw him as THE shining example of the problem in America. And its those votes --- in surely record volumes -- that have ended his tenure.

But...something in messaging, for the GOP to build on.

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Look back at 2016. Trump came into power with all 3 branches of government. The 2018 senate map was very favorable. If Trump actually made progress on pulling us out of the middle east, passed healthcare reform that wasn't just a repeal without a replacement, forcefully disavowed white nationalists, etc, his entire term looks completely different.
But that's on Trump. He had the votes and couldn't get anything done besides tax reform. And tax reform would have been much more popular if he hadn't cut the top rates (Maybe we could have reduced the deficit). He had a revolving door at cabinet which further watered down his agenda. That's lack of leadership and decision making

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Yeah, the lack of healthcare reform looks bad. I mean, the guy was just not a POTUS. It's difficult to lead when you can't even maintain a staff. I'd love to see a scorecard in 2 years of key staff changes for Biden vs key staff changes for Trump.
We talk about how this impacts NC State football, with all the staff changes - heck, imagine what it does for a job as big as POTUS

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Well part of that staff deal is on him but he was also an outsider walking into the belly of the beast. He had no idea how many little turncoat *****es there would be that wanted to betray him even inside the White House. Part of that could've been b/c the entire DC establishment and media were performing a coup of sorts to convince everyone that he was a Russian agent which of course only people in DC believed. Think that might've had something to do with those turbulent first 2 years?

I think I'm all in on Biden being a China puppet. But DC is for that so.... oh well.

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jadawson said:

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Bas2020 said:

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jadawson said:

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Ripper said:

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There are only a few cities in the country where Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama in votes. Guess where they are? The cities in question. If Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama across the board in Dem strongholds, I'd have no problem.

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Joe Biden has 8 million more votes than Hillary got. You think that's only from a few cities?

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And Trump has more votes than Obama.... its called population growth.


There are millions of more people on planet earth and in the US than 4....8 years ago. Basic math.

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Read the post I responded to. It directly states that Biden did NOT get more votes than Hillary it Obama outside of the cities in question

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Ripper said:

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jadawson said:

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jadawson said:

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There are only a few cities in the country where Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama in votes. Guess where they are? The cities in question. If Biden exceeded Hillary and Obama across the board in Dem strongholds, I'd have no problem.

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Joe Biden has 8 million more votes than Hillary got. You think that's only from a few cities?

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And Trump has more votes than Obama.... its called population growth.


There are millions of more people on planet earth and in the US than 4....8 years ago. Basic math.

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Read the post I responded to. It directly states that Biden did NOT get more votes than Hillary it Obama outside of the cities in question

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There are a number of large Dem cities where Hillary got more votes than Biden, like LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami, among many others, even with more people voting. Somehow, the only large Dem cities where Biden won more votes than Hillary are Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, and Vegas. Coincidence?

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Anybody burning buildings down yet? Asking for a friend.

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If the roles were reversed in the counting there's no telling how many cities would be burned by now.

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PackBacker07 said:

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President-elect Biden to address the nation this evening.

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Cthepack said:

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In fairness the swing states would draw out more fraud .Especially this election.

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packgrad said:

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PackBacker07 said:

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Trumpertons are taking this well.

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The Bidenbots are ready to arrest and hang the dissenters.

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PackBacker07 said:

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packgrad said:

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PackBacker07 said:

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Trumpertons are taking this well.

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The Bidenbots are ready to arrest and hang the dissenters.

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One of these guys was intimately involved in a presidential campaign, served a role within the White House, and is calling for the FBI Director to lose his head. Quite a difference IMO. Both are blowhards.

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PackBacker07 said:

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Then prove it. Tweets from OANN aren't going to cut it, sadly.

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IseWolf22 said:

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I'm going to take a second to celebrate the fact that South Dakota, Montana, Arizona, and New Jersey all legalized marijuana. Mississippi is now allowing medical marijuana.

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More fraud... in just one Michigan County.


Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly

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Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.

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Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:

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More fraud... in just one Michigan County.


Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly

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Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.

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Tobaccoroadsportscafe said:

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Bas2020 said:

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More fraud... in just one Michigan County.


Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly

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Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.

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Glasswolf said:

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I'm going to take a second to celebrate the fact that South Dakota, Montana, Arizona, and New Jersey all legalized marijuana. Mississippi is now allowing medical marijuana.

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Maybe NC will catch on someday

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PackBacker07 said:

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NC needs to get on the weed and gambling train. Of course I fully expect the legislature to take those up in 2050.

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packgrad said:

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More fraud... in just one Michigan County.


Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly

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Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.

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What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?

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jadawson said:

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packgrad said:

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Bas2020 said:

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More fraud... in just one Michigan County.


Just wait to see what happened in Fulton Co , GA or Philly

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Shouldn't they be arguing these points in court instead of on social media? Do you guys honestly think there was more misconduct on the democratic side then on the republican side? I think mistakes happen, and they catch the mistakes. It's hard for me to believe widespread voter fraud is happening in 2020.

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What makes you think they're not going to use them in court?

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I mean theyve filed a bunch of lawsuits already that are being thrown out. Why are they waiting on filing a lawsuit for these?

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