Incentives matter. They are importing voters. https://t.co/DLpTz6GMmS
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 8, 2024
And I'd damn sure love to hear what JFK had to say about how far left his party has moved. We can do this on either side.Civilized said:packgrad said:Civilized said:packgrad said:
Also this.
That the right so willing, eager, even to let a medical issue personally affecting .008% of kids age 12-17 to so consistently enter the conversation in the runup to the election illustrates perfectly how the right continues to step on their own dick electorally.
Our country would be a helluva lot better off if the Trump-worshiping and Trump-adjacent right was as concerned with preserving democracy and participating in sensible health care legislation for 100% of the country as they were dictating medical decisions affecting an infintesimally small proportion of teenage children.
Were the messages sent in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 that the right's pet culture war causes are not election winners not enough? Gonna keep riding the drag queen and trans surgeries and locker room issues straight into the ground, huh?
At this point the right throwing their weight behind Haley is as sure a bet as you can have that Biden won't win. Trump may win but distracting the conversation with abortion and trans kids is not going to help you get there at all.
Nobody gives a **** what the guy that supports mutulating a hormonal teenager thinks republicans should do. You're not a Republican. You're not independent. You're not even a traditional Democrat. You are far left.
Far leftists wanting Haley is enough for republicans not to vote for her.
You don't need to care what I think but you damn-sure better care what the electorate thinks or else the Pubs will lose again, just like in 18, 20, and 22.
This is just more hysteria from the right.
The right has completely lost its rudder.
The right is consumed with Trump and just staking out a position opposite of what the left says, instead of figuring out what's best for the right or our country indpendent of what the left thinks. It's all about opposing the left, the MSM, the LGBTQ crowd, the woke, whatever they think most typifies the left instead of thinking independently and actually governing proactively instead of simply responding to the left.
One of the many things that's dumb about this approach is it completely rules out bipartisan or pragmatic decisions that the right and left can agree on. Because anything anyone on the left says or thinks or wants must be wrong simply because they said it.
I'd give my left nut to hear what Reagan or HW or W or Ford honestly thought about the current state of things in the Republican party.
We might as well call it “state-run media.” Because that is what corporate media becomes when it takes instructions from the state. https://t.co/lxdp3GcU9B
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) January 8, 2024
Cool story! Could also be that several South American countries have imploded in recent years, which tends to generate a ton of asylum seekers.packgrad said:
Also this.Incentives matter. They are importing voters. https://t.co/DLpTz6GMmS
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 8, 2024
packgrad said:
Great stuff from Vivek.
"I reject this left wing narrative that's creating more artificial division."
"… not by saying fake poll tested slogans"
So good.
Vivek…. Serious candidate.
"Lib-owning and not governing". Sounds like a poll tested slogan. You guys literally repeat the same drivel over and over. You don't listen to what is said. You just say what you've read someone else say about the person. Having an opinion contrary to what the left's overlords tell them is "not governing".Civilized said:packgrad said:
Great stuff from Vivek.
"I reject this left wing narrative that's creating more artificial division."
"… not by saying fake poll tested slogans"
So good.
Vivek…. Serious candidate.
Vivek's interest is in lib-owning and not governing, just like Trump.
And it's not resonating with the electorate.
In primary polling Haley's at 30%. Ramaswamy's at 5%, behind even DeSantis and Christie.
Wonder if he runs it back in 2028. His base overlaps too much with Trump's for him to be a factor in any race where Trump himself is running. I could see him polling a lot better once Trump is out of the picture.
Do you think Trump has a chance in this upcoming election?packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
Yes.GrillOut said:Do you think Trump has a chance in this upcoming election?packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
Absolutely!!! That said, the RNC needs to get very good at Lawfare real quick.GrillOut said:Do you think Trump has a chance in this upcoming election?packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
The victim card again....Civilized said:packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
I said in the primary. In the New Hampshire primary Trump's at 42%, Haley's at 30%, then you have Christie around 10% and Trump acolytes Ramaswamy and DeSantis around 5%.
Haley's support is strongly up in NH since September, going from around 10% to now 30%. Vivek's is down from a high of 9% to around 5% currently.
The general election doesn't matter if you can't win a primary, and the primaries are where candidates get momentum working towards the general election.
And yes, Haley would also do better in 28 after Trump is gone. That's true of all Pub candidates.
So what's wrong with Vivek's approach?
What could or should he do to represent to Americans he's the one to lead them? His current message obviously isn't working.
You obviously don't agree with anything I say, so you tell me.
Amen it's not that hard and it's designed this way. We should never allow mail in ballots and everyone should have to provide a government ID to vote. For the life of me I don't understand how any human with half of a brain could have a problem with that.packgrad said:Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
Some just want an invalid, sitting on their death bed, to vote…jkpackfan said:Amen it's not that hard and it's designed this way. We should never allow mail in ballots and everyone should have to provide a government ID to vote. For the life of me I don't understand how any human with half of a brain could have a problem with that.packgrad said:Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
Haley is being propped up by the elite!packgrad said:The victim card again....Civilized said:packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
I said in the primary. In the New Hampshire primary Trump's at 42%, Haley's at 30%, then you have Christie around 10% and Trump acolytes Ramaswamy and DeSantis around 5%.
Haley's support is strongly up in NH since September, going from around 10% to now 30%. Vivek's is down from a high of 9% to around 5% currently.
The general election doesn't matter if you can't win a primary, and the primaries are where candidates get momentum working towards the general election.
And yes, Haley would also do better in 28 after Trump is gone. That's true of all Pub candidates.
So what's wrong with Vivek's approach?
What could or should he do to represent to Americans he's the one to lead them? His current message obviously isn't working.
You obviously don't agree with anything I say, so you tell me.
I'm well aware of how primaries work. Vivek isn't going to be the presidential candidate from the republican party this year. Trump will be. What he might be is the VP.
I don't think anything is wrong with Vivek's approach. You cite Christie and Haley as serious candidates, yet Vivek polls comparably to them in most states, behind Hailey in most, ahead of Christie in most. Desantis ahead of all 3 in most states. Let's break it down according to 538 using the Morning Consult poll. If state not listed, it did not have the poll listed.
State Trump Hailey DeSantis Vivek Christie
Ala 66 10 16 6 2
Az 64 9 11 7 5
Cal 71 8 10 7 2
FL 60 8 23 5 2
GA 66 10 14 6 2
ILL 65 8 15 6 3
IND 59 11 18 5 3
IA 58 15 14 10 3
KY 72 7 12 6 1
LA 75 7 9 5 1
MD 62 12 13 9 3
MA 55 18 10 6 6
MI 65 10 13 8 3
MO 65 9 14 7 3
NV 67 9 10 10 3
NJ 66 10 10 7 4
NY 66 8 13 5 4
NC 67 9 14 5 3
OH 69 8 11 6 3
OK 69 6 12 7 3
PA 63 9 14 6 4
SC 57 19 13 6 2
TN 66 8 17 4 2
TX 69 7 12 7 2
VA 63 9 14 7 5
WI 56 13 17 6 2
NH, using CNN poll, had Trump 39, Hailey 32, Christy 12, Vivek 8, DeSantis 5. CNN has history of being a Democrat propaganda news network, and their polling numbers aren't similar to ANY other state above. I think it is probably bull***** One state with a poll paid for by CNN does not make truth.
I don't see a huge statistical difference in Vivek versus Hailey. Christie shouldn't even be in the conversation. Pretty much the only people I hear speaking about him are Democrats. . It seems pretty clearly that the order is Trump, Desantis, Hailey, Vivek, and Christie. Trump holds a commanding lead in all states.
Edit to add.... spacing clearly did not work on the polling numbers by state. I would tend to think most can figure it out.
Come on Hokie, you're elite and you know it…hokiewolf said:
I don't think I'm elite but I'll take the compliment!
Outside of death, Trump will be the nominee. Even if he does, hell I still think he'll be the nominee
Arizona clearly states that no proof of citizenship is required for federal elections https://t.co/qZWamvFPHP
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 9, 2024
🚨Fulton County, GA DA Fani Willis prosecuting Trump CAUGHT appointing lover as special prosecutor— You won't believe it pic.twitter.com/mHCA8Ljpts
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 9, 2024
Okay fine...the Fulton County DA Fanni Willis was caught having an affair with the special Trump prosecutor she appointed and funneled him hundreds of thousands of dollars, but don't you DARE try to convince me these same people would ever actually rig an election.
— NotKennyRogers (@NotKennyRogers) January 9, 2024
jkpackfan said:Amen it's not that hard and it's designed this way. We should never allow mail in ballots and everyone should have to provide a government ID to vote. For the life of me I don't understand how any human with half of a brain could have a problem with that.packgrad said:Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
packgrad said:
I don't know how anyone could look at the polling and think anyone else would be the candidate.
Once again… a liberal at heart likes to explain the thoughts, feelings, opinions, and other analogies of the conservative mind!Civilized said:jkpackfan said:Amen it's not that hard and it's designed this way. We should never allow mail in ballots and everyone should have to provide a government ID to vote. For the life of me I don't understand how any human with half of a brain could have a problem with that.packgrad said:Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
Puh-lease.
If we hand-counted our ballots in 6 hours and Biden had won, we'd have people with pitchforks and torches taking to Twitter and TruthSocial decrying all the errors that they were sure real people were making in the count, and how there was NO WAY that people could count that fast when it took some states longer to do machine counts and how there was simply NO WAY that Weekend at Bernie's could get elected unless the people counting the votes were crooked and how...and how...
We all know that's true.
Again, the guy that Trump appointed to head CISA - Chris Krebbs - was fired for rebutting Trump's loony claims that the election was stolen.
The problem wasn't the election method, or the count, or election fraud, or anything else with logistics.
The only problem was that Trump and his followers didn't like the election result.
No corruption in Fulton County at all. I am sure that Fanni's paramour was singing this song.packgrad said:
I don't know how anyone could look at the polling and think anyone else would be the candidate.
Trump prosecutor in ATL in trouble now. Looks like her get rich quick scheme with her boyfriend has come to light. He never even tried a felony case before!!🚨Fulton County, GA DA Fani Willis prosecuting Trump CAUGHT appointing lover as special prosecutor— You won't believe it pic.twitter.com/mHCA8Ljpts
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 9, 2024Okay fine...the Fulton County DA Fanni Willis was caught having an affair with the special Trump prosecutor she appointed and funneled him hundreds of thousands of dollars, but don't you DARE try to convince me these same people would ever actually rig an election.
— NotKennyRogers (@NotKennyRogers) January 9, 2024
Civilized said:jkpackfan said:Amen it's not that hard and it's designed this way. We should never allow mail in ballots and everyone should have to provide a government ID to vote. For the life of me I don't understand how any human with half of a brain could have a problem with that.packgrad said:Argentina hand-counted 99.9% of their 27M paper ballots in less than 6 hours.
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 9, 2024
It took American swing states days and even weeks to count a couple million ballots with machines.
Our elections are less secure than many 3rd world countries. This is by design.
Puh-lease.
If we hand-counted our ballots in 6 hours and Biden had won, we'd have people with pitchforks and torches taking to Twitter and TruthSocial decrying all the errors that they were sure real people were making in the count, and how there was NO WAY that people could count that fast when it took some states longer to do machine counts and how there was simply NO WAY that Weekend at Bernie's could get elected unless the people counting the votes were crooked and how...and how...
We all know that's true.
Again, the guy that Trump appointed to head CISA - Chris Krebbs - was fired for rebutting Trump's loony claims that the election was stolen.
The problem wasn't the election method, or the count, or election fraud, or anything else with logistics.
The only problem was that Trump and his followers didn't like the election result.
So, fantasize all kinds of nefarious activity that you have no proof of but are just certain that your "enemies" are doing, and then use that to justify trashing the constitution and behaving like lawless thugs? Cool!caryking said:Absolutely!!! That said, the RNC needs to get very good at Lawfare real quick.GrillOut said:Do you think Trump has a chance in this upcoming election?packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter an individual's usage of their legal rights.
The term may refer to the use of legal systems and principles against an enemy, such as by damaging or delegitimizing them, wasting their time and money (e.g. SLAPP suits), or winning a public relations victory.
Alternatively, it may describe a tactic used by repressive regimes to label and discourage civil society or individuals from claiming their legal rights via national or international legal systems. This is especially common in situations when individuals and civil society use non-violent methods to highlight or oppose discrimination, corruption, lack of democracy, limiting freedom of speech, violations of human rights and violations of international humanitarian law.
You know, do it better than the Democrats!!!
packgrad said:
Smapty wishing death on other posters here. And one of you guys, probably civ, liked it.
Disgusting.
Yeah, I was just going to say that 30% for Haley, is not a credible poll.packgrad said:
Speaking of polling and serious candidates...
Trump is polling at 61.8". Hailey is at 11.2%.
Maybe she should run it back in 2028 when she has a chance.
NEW: Reporters caught on hot mic appearing to joke about an assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 9, 2024
The reporters were gathering to get a shot of Trump as he was set to appear at the federal courthouse for his criminal immunity appeal.
Reporter 1: "You know what the worst part… pic.twitter.com/ymKt6mrjeT
packgrad said:
CNN sponsored poll. Why anyone would believe anything on that network, as it pertains to politics, is beyond me. Straight Democrat propaganda.
