I've never seen a military man go into politics and keep their good reputation and character, with the possible exception of Jeremiah Denton, who served one term in the Senate, then walked away in disgust. The three Johns (McCain, Glenn, and Kerry) exemplify this well. Though in the case of Kerry, he was rotten to begin with, a true PX warrior who used the military to punch a ticket, and got out as fast as he could. As for McCain, I bet there are those here who didn't praise him when he ran against Obama as they do now.packgrad said:
Meh. Probably poor taste but McCain voted against repealing Obamacare, which is what was being referenced. I'm sure you are outraged by it. To me it's a nothingburger, and I voted for McCain years ago. I bet you didn't. But now you like the memory of him because of your TDS.
Zzzzzz
Same omg outrage, different day.
packgrad said:
Trump definitely has false accusers. Especially now that so many have TDS like civ they would line up for it. Unlike civ, I'm not a neutered man that can't admit that women do in fact lie.
Civilized said:packgrad said:
Trump definitely has false accusers. Especially now that so many have TDS like civ they would line up for it. Unlike civ, I'm not a neutered man that can't admit that women do in fact lie.
Really? Women sometimes lie? What a clear-eyed and courageous beacon of truth you are.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
We know Trump cheats on his wives, pays off porn stars and Playboy bunnies he bangs, brags about grabbing women by the *****, makes gross sex jokes about his own daughter, would routinely walk through the changing room at his beauty pageants, and was found civilly liable of sex assault.
But for some reason despite that clear pattern of known misogynistic behavior we should believe all of his 20-odd accusers are Democratic plants, and none of them are actual victims of sex assault.
Makes total sense.
Oldsouljer said:I've never seen a military man go into politics and keep their good reputation and character, with the possible exception of Jeremiah Denton, who served one term in the Senate, then walked away in disgust. The three Johns (McCain, Glenn, and Kerry) exemplify this well. Though in the case of Kerry, he was rotten to begin with, a true PX warrior who used the military to punch a ticket, and got out as fast as he could. As for McCain, I bet there are those here who didn't praise him when he ran against Obama as they do now.packgrad said:
Meh. Probably poor taste but McCain voted against repealing Obamacare, which is what was being referenced. I'm sure you are outraged by it. To me it's a nothingburger, and I voted for McCain years ago. I bet you didn't. But now you like the memory of him because of your TDS.
Zzzzzz
Same omg outrage, different day.
Yes, John McCain was captured and held in a prison. I hate it for him! Hell, we have people, in a prison, for 3 years, because on January 6th.Civilized said:
When those of you that support or are going to vote for Trump hear this, what is your honest response to a draft-dodging ******* continuing to mockingly use a dead former POW senator as a punchline?Trump publicly mocks Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) war injury:
— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) January 6, 2024
"John McCain for some reason couldn’t get his arm up..."
*McCain was unable to lift his arms above his shoulders after being tortured in Vietnam.pic.twitter.com/0aeZas8Zu8
Pentagon took 3 days to inform White House’s NSC of Austin’s hospitalization https://t.co/tsup53tJ3j
— POLITICO (@politico) January 6, 2024
Don't know the details in this; however, if true… that's bizarre at best..packgrad said:
No need to tell the White House. They're just the puppets. They're not pulling the strings.Pentagon took 3 days to inform White House’s NSC of Austin’s hospitalization https://t.co/tsup53tJ3j
— POLITICO (@politico) January 6, 2024
Insane https://t.co/QNSDIRtcZ7
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 7, 2024
Haley's comment is taken completely out of context and if you'd seen the town hall you would know this. Instead, you believe the spin machine that you seem to loath whenever they do the same thing to Trump.packgrad said:hokiewolf said:
What part of the Civil War could've been negotiated?
Oh I can play this game. What part couldn't have been negotiated?
Are you proud that your girl has black friends? What a gaffe. I'm sure you'd be triggered if you know who said that.
Love how the left and TDS crowd is trying to deflect from their girl.
Grasshopper, you have much to learn. Whether you can or not remains to be seen. So far, you're failing.Civilized said:
When those of you that support or are going to vote for Trump hear this, what is your honest response to a draft-dodging ******* continuing to mockingly use a dead former POW senator as a punchline?Trump publicly mocks Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) war injury:
— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) January 6, 2024
"John McCain for some reason couldn’t get his arm up..."
*McCain was unable to lift his arms above his shoulders after being tortured in Vietnam.pic.twitter.com/0aeZas8Zu8
THE TRUTH ABOUT CINDY MCAIN & THE LATE NO NAME JOHN MCCAIN’S SCAM “ANTI-TRAFFICKING” ORGANIZATION!
— LIZ CROKIN (@LizCrokin) January 8, 2024
You wanted more — ask and you shall receive!
The McCain Institute for International Leadership is a think tank established in cooperation with Arizona State University. The… https://t.co/kRVY0cW2HM pic.twitter.com/d1L6tEF0Fq
Come on.. we don't have an issue at the border…. And, if we do, what could Biden do differently?packgrad said:Insane https://t.co/QNSDIRtcZ7
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 7, 2024
Imagine being in President Trump’s shoes for a moment on J6 as you get word the Capitol is getting swarmed…
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 7, 2024
- You were considered a near lock to be a two-term president in February of 2020
- You delivered one of the best economies ever seen for 3 years before China unleashed a…
Persecution porn. Trump is never accountable for his own actions, it's always someone out to get him.packgrad said:Imagine being in President Trump’s shoes for a moment on J6 as you get word the Capitol is getting swarmed…
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 7, 2024
- You were considered a near lock to be a two-term president in February of 2020
- You delivered one of the best economies ever seen for 3 years before China unleashed a…
What actions are you referring?hokiewolf said:Persecution porn. Trump is never accountable for his own actions, it's always someone out to get him.packgrad said:Imagine being in President Trump’s shoes for a moment on J6 as you get word the Capitol is getting swarmed…
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 7, 2024
- You were considered a near lock to be a two-term president in February of 2020
- You delivered one of the best economies ever seen for 3 years before China unleashed a…
Everything Trump did post the 2020 election until he left office. The keeping of documents at Mar-a-lago. The general saying crazy **** about the constitution in his speeches, etc.caryking said:What actions are you referring?hokiewolf said:Persecution porn. Trump is never accountable for his own actions, it's always someone out to get him.packgrad said:Imagine being in President Trump’s shoes for a moment on J6 as you get word the Capitol is getting swarmed…
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 7, 2024
- You were considered a near lock to be a two-term president in February of 2020
- You delivered one of the best economies ever seen for 3 years before China unleashed a…
Hokie, lets be real here...hokiewolf said:Everything Trump did post the 2020 election until he left office. The keeping of documents at Mar-a-lago. The general saying crazy **** about the constitution in his speeches, etc.caryking said:What actions are you referring?hokiewolf said:Persecution porn. Trump is never accountable for his own actions, it's always someone out to get him.packgrad said:Imagine being in President Trump’s shoes for a moment on J6 as you get word the Capitol is getting swarmed…
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 7, 2024
- You were considered a near lock to be a two-term president in February of 2020
- You delivered one of the best economies ever seen for 3 years before China unleashed a…
Trump: All I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets pic.twitter.com/TopK4BRsOq
— Acyn (@Acyn) January 6, 2024
Nikki Haley believes parents should decide whether their 12 year-old kid can get a sex change & the “[government] should stay out of it”
— Jon Root (@JonnyRoot_) January 8, 2024
Parents don’t decide whether their 12 year-old kid can:
Vote
Drive
Get a tattoo
Drink alcohol
Smoke
But sure, they should allow their… pic.twitter.com/Ns8TAaR2oI
You can make this about magnets or you can make this about using companies (perhaps he's talking about John Deer) to figure out something...hokiewolf said:
Also thisTrump: All I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets pic.twitter.com/TopK4BRsOq
— Acyn (@Acyn) January 6, 2024
I would disagree with Haley on this stance. It is wrong. Something you won't do about Trump btw.packgrad said:
Also this.Nikki Haley believes parents should decide whether their 12 year-old kid can get a sex change & the “[government] should stay out of it”
— Jon Root (@JonnyRoot_) January 8, 2024
Parents don’t decide whether their 12 year-old kid can:
Vote
Drive
Get a tattoo
Drink alcohol
Smoke
But sure, they should allow their… pic.twitter.com/Ns8TAaR2oI
packgrad said:
Also this.
hokiewolf said:I would disagree with Haley on this stance. It is wrong. Something you won't do about Trump btw.packgrad said:
Also this.Nikki Haley believes parents should decide whether their 12 year-old kid can get a sex change & the “[government] should stay out of it”
— Jon Root (@JonnyRoot_) January 8, 2024
Parents don’t decide whether their 12 year-old kid can:
Vote
Drive
Get a tattoo
Drink alcohol
Smoke
But sure, they should allow their… pic.twitter.com/Ns8TAaR2oI
hokiewolf said:I would disagree with Haley on this stance. It is wrong. Something you won't do about Trump btw.packgrad said:
Also this.Nikki Haley believes parents should decide whether their 12 year-old kid can get a sex change & the “[government] should stay out of it”
— Jon Root (@JonnyRoot_) January 8, 2024
Parents don’t decide whether their 12 year-old kid can:
Vote
Drive
Get a tattoo
Drink alcohol
Smoke
But sure, they should allow their… pic.twitter.com/Ns8TAaR2oI
Civilized said:packgrad said:
Also this.
That the right so willing, eager, even to let a medical issue personally affecting .008% of kids age 12-17 to so consistently enter the conversation in the runup to the election illustrates perfectly how the right continues to step on their own dick electorally.
Our country would be a helluva lot better off if the Trump-worshiping and Trump-adjacent right was as concerned with preserving democracy and participating in sensible health care legislation for 100% of the country as they were dictating medical decisions affecting an infintesimally small proportion of teenage children.
Were the messages sent in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 that the right's pet culture war causes are not election winners not enough? Gonna keep riding the drag queen and trans surgeries and locker room issues straight into the ground, huh?
At this point the right throwing their weight behind Haley is as sure a bet as you can have that Biden won't win. Trump may win but distracting the conversation with abortion and trans kids is not going to help you get there at all.
Civilized said:hokiewolf said:I would disagree with Haley on this stance. It is wrong. Something you won't do about Trump btw.packgrad said:
Also this.Nikki Haley believes parents should decide whether their 12 year-old kid can get a sex change & the “[government] should stay out of it”
— Jon Root (@JonnyRoot_) January 8, 2024
Parents don’t decide whether their 12 year-old kid can:
Vote
Drive
Get a tattoo
Drink alcohol
Smoke
But sure, they should allow their… pic.twitter.com/Ns8TAaR2oI
I think pragmatically that non-reversible medical procedures to treat gender dysphoria in teens is inadvisable if there is any conceivable alternative and incredibly fraught, regardless.
But if your kids was affected, gender dysphoric and in extreme emotional distress and potentially suicidal despite the intense care of therapists and psychiatrists and the rest of their medical team, do you think the government should step in to prevent care?
I can't even imagine the anguish of the kid or the parent in that situation. There are zero easy answers but I'm pretty sure the answer we don't want as parents is the government outlawing the medical care that could potentially save my child.
packgrad said:Civilized said:packgrad said:
Also this.
That the right so willing, eager, even to let a medical issue personally affecting .008% of kids age 12-17 to so consistently enter the conversation in the runup to the election illustrates perfectly how the right continues to step on their own dick electorally.
Our country would be a helluva lot better off if the Trump-worshiping and Trump-adjacent right was as concerned with preserving democracy and participating in sensible health care legislation for 100% of the country as they were dictating medical decisions affecting an infintesimally small proportion of teenage children.
Were the messages sent in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 that the right's pet culture war causes are not election winners not enough? Gonna keep riding the drag queen and trans surgeries and locker room issues straight into the ground, huh?
At this point the right throwing their weight behind Haley is as sure a bet as you can have that Biden won't win. Trump may win but distracting the conversation with abortion and trans kids is not going to help you get there at all.
Nobody gives a **** what the guy that supports mutulating a hormonal teenager thinks republicans should do. You're not a Republican. You're not independent. You're not even a traditional Democrat. You are far left.
Far leftists wanting Haley is enough for republicans not to vote for her.
Let me clue you in... they'd be for absolutely NONE of the things that your party and people like you support.Civilized said:
I'd give my left nut to hear what Reagan or HW or W or Ford honestly thought about the current state of things in the Republican party.
What would really help is for the "left" to quit trying to mainstream this crap.Civilized said:packgrad said:
Also this.
That the right so willing, eager, even to let a medical issue personally affecting .008% of kids age 12-17 to so consistently enter the conversation in the runup to the election illustrates perfectly how the right continues to step on their own dick electorally.
Our country would be a helluva lot better off if the Trump-worshiping and Trump-adjacent right was as concerned with preserving democracy and participating in sensible health care legislation for 100% of the country as they were dictating medical decisions affecting an infintesimally small proportion of teenage children.
Were the messages sent in 2018 and 2020 and 2022 that the right's pet culture war causes are not election winners not enough? Gonna keep riding the drag queen and trans surgeries and locker room issues straight into the ground, huh?
At this point the right throwing their weight behind Haley is as sure a bet as you can have that Biden won't win. Trump may win but distracting the conversation with abortion and trans kids is not going to help you get there at all.
