Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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I'm sure when you're a radical MAGA lunatic who's entire worldview is built on fairy tales, the growns ups with critical thinking skills must look pretty radical to you.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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I'm sure when you're a radical MAGA lunatic who's entire worldview is built on fairy tales, the growns ups with critical thinking skills must look pretty radical to you.

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At least I can define what a woman and a man are, freak.

Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

Hope this gets rectified in around three weeks.

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— Jessica Tarlov (@JessicaTarlov) October 20, 2026

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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I don't understand where this comes from? Are you privileged to classified information?

If you are, I stand corrected. You are a bigger deal than I thought?

We could crush both of those countries at the same time, why would we take marching orders from them? Did they both get together and work up a master plan? What if we did what Isreal wanted but not Russia or vice versa? Would they fight a war?

Please explain how we are taking orders from both of them. Be specific please.

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BIG yikes here from @JDVance today. “Raleigh-Durham” is an airport, not a city or a place people are from. #ncpol

Ultimate irony that he says it during a statement accusing opponents of being inauthentic. pic.twitter.com/9LwI5focSV

— Eric Holl (@FrederickHoll) October 19, 2026

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I wonder if this Holl guy is a North Carolinian because Vance is technically correct. RDU is an airport but Raleigh is Raleigh and Durham is Durham, not "Raleigh-Durham".

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It's curious the gotcha games some here play. The mental gymnastics it takes to get wrapped around the axle with this is something else.

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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I don't understand where this comes from? Are you privileged to classified information?

If you are, I stand corrected. You are a bigger deal than I thought?

We could crush both of those countries at the same time, why would we take marching orders from them? Did they both get together and work up a master plan? What if we did what Isreal wanted but not Russia or vice versa? Would they fight a war?

Please explain how we are taking orders from both of them. Be specific please.

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I hope this forum isn't going the direction of Zero Hedge, some of the comments from over there that get sent my way are a nonstop obsession with how Israel secretly rules the world and there's a Jewish plot under every rock.

How are you guys planning on defending this? This is absolutely deplorable

Trump on Camp Lejeune water contamination claims: "If we win the House and Senate, I am directing the Department of Justice to settle all remaining legitimate claims as soon as possible ... if we don't win, there's no money." pic.twitter.com/tcSEivg0PJ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 21, 2026

Oldsouljer said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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I don't understand where this comes from? Are you privileged to classified information?

If you are, I stand corrected. You are a bigger deal than I thought?

We could crush both of those countries at the same time, why would we take marching orders from them? Did they both get together and work up a master plan? What if we did what Isreal wanted but not Russia or vice versa? Would they fight a war?

Please explain how we are taking orders from both of them. Be specific please.

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I hope this forum isn't going the direction of Zero Hedge, some of the comments from over there that get sent my way are a nonstop obsession with how Israel secretly rules the world and there's a Jewish plot under every rock.

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It's crazy how much hate there is for Israel. Civ is a pretty normal dude and even he is far out there.

Goes back to what I was saying. There is no such thing as a moderate democrat. Those days are gone. If you are going to get funding, campaign and hopefully win an election, you are going to need to tell the low information voter what they want to hear but express some radical views behind the scene.

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How are you guys planning on defending this? This is absolutely deplorable

Trump on Camp Lejeune water contamination claims: "If we win the House and Senate, I am directing the Department of Justice to settle all remaining legitimate claims as soon as possible ... if we don't win, there's no money." pic.twitter.com/tcSEivg0PJ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 21, 2026

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A quick and simple google search shows:

thousands of people have received money from the Camp Lejeune toxic water claims. As of late 2026, the U.S. government has offered over $1.1 billion in settlements and paid out more than $879 million to qualifying claimants through the Department of Justice and Navy.

Current Payout Status

Total Payouts: Over $879 million has been distributed to thousands of claimants.
Elective Option (EO): This fast-resolution program provides set payouts between $100,000 and $550,000 depending on the specific illness and length of exposure, plus an extra $100,000 for deaths.
Pending Claims: More than 400,000 total claims were filed before the August 10, 2024 deadline, meaning the vast majority of cases are still waiting to be reviewed, settled, or taken through ongoing federal court trials.
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I would suggest we let it play out or you could virtue signal and pretend to care if that makes you feel better?

You can also donate to the fund or to the campaign seeking compensation. Throw down a large sum of your cash and post the receipts here for us to see.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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I don't understand where this comes from? Are you privileged to classified information?

If you are, I stand corrected. You are a bigger deal than I thought?

We could crush both of those countries at the same time, why would we take marching orders from them? Did they both get together and work up a master plan? What if we did what Isreal wanted but not Russia or vice versa? Would they fight a war?

Please explain how we are taking orders from both of them. Be specific please.

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I hope this forum isn't going the direction of Zero Hedge, some of the comments from over there that get sent my way are a nonstop obsession with how Israel secretly rules the world and there's a Jewish plot under every rock.

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It's crazy how much hate there is for Israel. Civ is a pretty normal dude and even he is far out there.

Goes back to what I was saying. There is no such thing as a moderate democrat. Those days are gone. If you are going to get funding, campaign and hopefully win an election, you are going to need to tell the low information voter what they want to hear but express some radical views behind the scene.

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What's "far out there" about my Israel views?

My views are that the US should defend Israel's right to exist while pressing for an end to the war that protects civilians and secures the release of any remaining hostages.

And US support should come with accountability for Bibi's flawed leadership, meaningful conditions on military aid, and a credible political strategy rather than blank checks for continued conflict.

Decisions about military action against Iran should have rested on independently verified threats, US interests, and congressional oversight, not Bibi's coercion and Trump's compulsions.

You may disagree with any or all of this, but good luck trying to paint any of that as unreasonable to normal Americans.

Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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These is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. You are not getting elected, those days are long gone.

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Cool story bro except NC is literally getting ready to flip a seat and put a moderate Democrat in the Senate exactly because he is restrained, pragmatic, businesslike, ethical, predictable, stable, and sane.

And unsurprisingly, those traits really resonate with Americans that have spent the last two years watching a bunch of fraudulent unserious clowns step all over their dicks and embarrass themselves and America on a daily basis.

And I'm sure you and Storm are going to cry about how Cooper isn't moderate, even though he has no extreme positions, enjoys bipartisan support and has never lost an election, and successfully worked with a Republican supermajority GA to get stuff done. You probably think Republicans like Larry Hogan or Charlie Baker or Phil Scott aren't moderate either.

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Copper will do what's he's told once in office.

You are a dying breed, Civ. I truly hope you live long enough to see the damage you have done.

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Pretty sure he won't be taking his orders from Putin and Bibi like the current clown show, so I'd say things are looking up.

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I don't understand where this comes from? Are you privileged to classified information?

If you are, I stand corrected. You are a bigger deal than I thought?

We could crush both of those countries at the same time, why would we take marching orders from them? Did they both get together and work up a master plan? What if we did what Isreal wanted but not Russia or vice versa? Would they fight a war?

Please explain how we are taking orders from both of them. Be specific please.

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I hope this forum isn't going the direction of Zero Hedge, some of the comments from over there that get sent my way are a nonstop obsession with how Israel secretly rules the world and there's a Jewish plot under every rock.

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It's crazy how much hate there is for Israel. Civ is a pretty normal dude and even he is far out there.

Goes back to what I was saying. There is no such thing as a moderate democrat. Those days are gone. If you are going to get funding, campaign and hopefully win an election, you are going to need to tell the low information voter what they want to hear but express some radical views behind the scene.

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What's "far out there" about my Israel views?

My views are that the US should defend Israel's right to exist while pressing for an end to the war that protects civilians and secures the release of any remaining hostages.

And US support should come with accountability for Bibi's flawed leadership, meaningful conditions on military aid, and a credible political strategy rather than blank checks for continued conflict.

Decisions about military action against Iran should have rested on independently verified threats, US interests, and congressional oversight, not Bibi's coercion and Trump's compulsions.

You may disagree with any or all of this, but good luck trying to paint any of that as unreasonable to normal Americans.

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Fair points as always and well articulated.

If Bibi is a flawed leader why do the people of Israel keep electing him? He must be doing something right to keep winning elections just like your great President Trump?

We have 47 years of verified threats from Iran, do we need another 47 years or just a democrat President and we then approve of military action? I mean they literally say "death to America" while burning our flag….who in Gods name is going to change that?

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Bibi's flaws aren't in question. He gets re-elected because Israel has a parliamentary system that allows him to cobble together a coalition of loyalists, similar to Trump getting elected despite his obvious personal failings and despite not winning the popular vote, because of our EC system.

More to the point, Bibi's only our problem inasmuch as we defer to him in our foreign policy decisions in ways that don't make sense for our country.

America faces threats around the world, but a potential threat alone does not justify starting a war. Iran posed real regional security threats, yet publicly reported U.S. intelligence did not establish that it was preparing an imminent attack before the strikes.

The administration has failed throughout to explain why war was necessary rather than deterrence and diplomacy, especially since we previously had reasonable deterrence in place in the JCPOA that Trump tore up because he's a big baby who's more worried about who takes credit for what, rather than simply how America's interests are best-served.

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hokiewolf said:

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How are you guys planning on defending this? This is absolutely deplorable

Trump on Camp Lejeune water contamination claims: "If we win the House and Senate, I am directing the Department of Justice to settle all remaining legitimate claims as soon as possible ... if we don't win, there's no money." pic.twitter.com/tcSEivg0PJ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 21, 2026

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A quick and simple google search shows:

thousands of people have received money from the Camp Lejeune toxic water claims. As of late 2026, the U.S. government has offered over $1.1 billion in settlements and paid out more than $879 million to qualifying claimants through the Department of Justice and Navy.

Current Payout Status

Total Payouts: Over $879 million has been distributed to thousands of claimants.
Elective Option (EO): This fast-resolution program provides set payouts between $100,000 and $550,000 depending on the specific illness and length of exposure, plus an extra $100,000 for deaths.
Pending Claims: More than 400,000 total claims were filed before the August 10, 2024 deadline, meaning the vast majority of cases are still waiting to be reviewed, settled, or taken through ongoing federal court trials.
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I would suggest we let it play out or you could virtue signal and pretend to care if that makes you feel better?

You can also donate to the fund or to the campaign seeking compensation. Throw down a large sum of your cash and post the receipts here for us to see.

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bro, if a democrat had said this, you wouldn't be so magnanimous. But what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

Is not drive by click bait, the man said it in a ****ing speech. I ask again what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

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hokiewolf said:

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Is not drive by click bait, the man said it in a ****ing speech. I ask again what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks

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Are you going to require that the next Democratic president own the things he literally says and rage-tweets?

Or is the doughnut hole of responsibility a unique carve-out for your guy?

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hokiewolf said:

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Is not drive by click bait, the man said it in a ****ing speech. I ask again what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks

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me thinks you are worse than Howard Lutnick kissing Trumps ass

Good to know you have no issues with corruption, because this is a form of it.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Is not drive by click bait, the man said it in a ****ing speech. I ask again what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks

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Are you going to require that the next Democratic president own the things he literally says and rage-tweets?

Or is the doughnut hole of responsibility a unique carve-out for your guy?

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You know the answer to this. You can use the exact same rebuttals and deflections on any argument you don't want to support and ask for proof when you want to push back. Post some Twitter links with no context and pose it as fact, then tell you Reuters reporting is not trustworthy.

It will never make sense and there's no point even trying, they know their empty echo chambers are the internet, stuff doesn't work in real life.

LOL - Trump stops mid helipad to wave and salute nobody.

Watch at 0:21, the camera zooms out to show.

Natalie Harp can also be seen on her way to Marine One. #TravelWithNatalie pic.twitter.com/5bejfnJc2j

— Donk Media ♻️™ (@donkoclock) October 19, 2026

What a great example. Sleepy Joe gets called out but not Dementia Don

Gulfstream4 said:

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Civ, please talk to wolfme

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Good response bud. If you don't want to quote me, talk to me, and instead try to be cute with these kinds of posts, everyone will continue to ignore you. I'll continue to do me

How is anyone supposed to interact with this petulant child? He just hops from one deflection to the next hurling insults along the way

Trump: We were in the midst of negotiating and a lot of stupid people said why aren’t you putting Russian sanctions—

Collins: But you said you didn’t give anything for his release

Trump: If I didn’t do that, you wouldn’t have him coming back.

Collins: So you did give…

— Acyn (@Acyn) October 21, 2026

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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How are you guys planning on defending this? This is absolutely deplorable

Trump on Camp Lejeune water contamination claims: "If we win the House and Senate, I am directing the Department of Justice to settle all remaining legitimate claims as soon as possible ... if we don't win, there's no money." pic.twitter.com/tcSEivg0PJ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 21, 2026

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A quick and simple google search shows:

thousands of people have received money from the Camp Lejeune toxic water claims. As of late 2026, the U.S. government has offered over $1.1 billion in settlements and paid out more than $879 million to qualifying claimants through the Department of Justice and Navy.

Current Payout Status

Total Payouts: Over $879 million has been distributed to thousands of claimants.
Elective Option (EO): This fast-resolution program provides set payouts between $100,000 and $550,000 depending on the specific illness and length of exposure, plus an extra $100,000 for deaths.
Pending Claims: More than 400,000 total claims were filed before the August 10, 2024 deadline, meaning the vast majority of cases are still waiting to be reviewed, settled, or taken through ongoing federal court trials.
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I would suggest we let it play out or you could virtue signal and pretend to care if that makes you feel better?

You can also donate to the fund or to the campaign seeking compensation. Throw down a large sum of your cash and post the receipts here for us to see.

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bro, if a democrat had said this, you wouldn't be so magnanimous. But what do you think of our President Trump threatening to take away payments if they don't vote Republican?

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He knows perfectly well that he doesn't control appropriations and if the Socialists take the House, there will be no money for Camp LeJeune victims.