Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.
Oh well, on to next outrage.
no, I wanted what was promised by Donald Trump, complete surrender of a murderous regime that killed 40,000 of its own citizens. Instead we are signing a worse deal and blaming Israel, who btw was responsible for eliminating the leaders of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, with what appears to be zero thanks from this Administration.
So yes, I'm pissed because an opportunity was lost, an evil regime wil come out of this intact and stronger, they continue to murder their own citizens.
Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation. He didn't have to have troops on the ground. He just needed to continue to bleed Iran of money and lift just one finger to support the people of Iran. He choose not to do so. He failed so bad that I fear it will be decades before we come any closer to having a free Iran.
He has now pivoted against Israel, for the sin of actually trying to create safety for their country because it's taking too long for Trump. He sounded like a progressive Democrat yesterday blaming Israel.
You should be pissed too, but you can't bring yourself to see the errors of this folly.
The only good outcome of this is that Vance ****ed this up too, and almost no one believes anything that comes out of his mouth. I hope this means he will not be the nominee in 2028.
How in the world can you say Iran is intact and will be stronger? Do not understand the damage done to them? My goodness…
Man, my head is spinning….
This conflict starts, you outrage.
This war ends, you outrage.
Trump said he didn't care about inflation, you outrage.
You say Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation, you outrage.
You literally said troops were needed on the ground, you outraged.
Now you say troops were not needed on the ground, you outrage.
Trump supports Israel, you outrage.
Trump doesn't support Israel, you outrage.
I'm starting to think you will outrage no matter what Trump does?
Now, where we do agree is hopefully Vance won't be the nominee as I prefer Rubio.
Man, my head is spinning too, as you have distorted my posts on this matter in every single way possible.
This conflict starts, you outrage.I'm sorry, what? This conflict started I was all in with support to get the job done, particularly after Iran decided to murder it's own citizens by the tens of thousands. The former and current leadership is evil and should have been wiped off the face of the earth. There are plenty of posts to that fact. Because Israel had so thoroughly destroyed Iran's air defense, the time to attack was now. Regime change was and still is the only option to guarantee Iran stops supporting terrorist organizations, hurling missiles at Israel, and trying to develop a nuclear arsenal in order to destroy Israel.
This war ends, you outrage.No I am upset that Trump thought he could achieve victory in 60 days when everyone who is worth a damn in this administration has said it would take a year plus. I am upset for the reasons stated above.
Trump said he didn't care about inflation, you outrage
Trump cares about inflation in that he rightfully blamed the Biden administration for stoking the fire that honestly was started by the first Trump administration. Trump doesn't care that his dumb tariffs policy, which is not legal btw and you would be outraged if a democratic administration unilaterally acted like this. Frankly, the poor effort to limit government spending, debt increase, and the campaign promise to not do any entitlement reform further proves the above statement.
You say Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation, you outrageThat's the problem with populism, you elect people who want to be liked, instead of having the conviction to do the right thing, even if it is at a detriment to your personal goals. So yes, Trump changed his mind, the fact that you can't either admit that or you choose to ignore that is not my problem, that's on you.
You literally said troops were needed on the ground, you outragedNo, what I said was that the successful regime changes where there was as peaceful a process as possible was the need for a UN security force, similar to Kosovo. That was never going to be possible because Trump and Vance have decided to nuke all relationships with our allies for the dumb ideas of tariffs, trade deficits, "paying their fair share" into NATO, threatening to invade Greenland, and just generally being *******s.
Now you say troops were not needed on the ground, you outrage.Again, the blockade and the bleed of money for the regime in Iran was a winning strategy that takes time that Trump didn't want to wait for. That's frustrating and disappointing. So yes, I'm upset about that.
Trump supports Israel, you outrage.This may be the most disappointing lie you've come up with. I have always personally supported Israel, it's right to exist, and it's right to defend itself. I have been a staunch watchdog here on the antisemitic posts, which btw I rarely see any populist right folks here do anything about, including yourself.
October 7 increased that support for Israel when Hamas invaded, kidnapped, murdered, tortured, and raped Israeli citizens in that attack. I commended Trump numerous times here on his unwavering support of Israel, it's elimination of Hamas and Hezbollah leadership, and allowing Israel to defend itself.
If there is one lie you stated in your post, this is the most disappointing misrepresentation you have made, and I'm frankly offended you did so. I expect this bull**** from Werewolf, not you. Do better.
Trump doesn't support Israel, you outrage.You're damn right I do, yesterday's comments speak for themselves. Being angry at Israel for killing a Hezbollah leader, who again, has American blood on his hands should have been celebrated, not condemned. Stating Israel would be wiped off the map if not for Trump is the most ridiculous and offensive statement he has made to date, and that's saying a lot.
I'm starting to think you will outrage no matter what Trump does?I expect more out of Republicans than Democrats because I align with what were the principles of the Republican party. Those have now been dismissed in favor of a populist revolt, for what aim, I'm still unclear about. The abandonment of conservative principles and moving to grievance politics by the populist right is a problem that judging by the candidates put forth for election in 2026 isn't going to go away any time soon.
So having policy disagreements isn't outrage, it's disappointment in the abandonment of what made the Republican party the party I identified with. I no longer believe that. If that's outrage, so be it.
Hope this clears up your confusion. I'm sure you'll respond with an excellent meme instead of having a conversation.
