TRUMP 2024

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eljefe444
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hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

hokiewolf said:

lol. Ok. I just read the people you send me to and I guess I assume incorrectly that you believe what they've posted.

I'll help you out ;-) Yep, it's the Russian bioweapons labs inside Ukraine, and on the Russian border......LOL.
Why don't we build our so-called biolabs within the US? #dave, your discernment here is on par with #nappy's discernment with COVID and the JABS. You're giving him some competition.

again, do you know the difference between a biolab and a bio weapons manufacturing lab?

Because biolabs exist in Ukraine, and they existed and operated in Russia from the mid 90s -2014. But none of them made weapons.

Biolabs exist by the thousands in the US, and I'm sure if we're making bio weapons, we're doing it in the spots where the government has the most secure biolabs. That ain't Ukraine dude.


Careful, similar terms get very confusing…

Like the excursion in Iran
Or transgenic mice
Or the immigrants granting asylum because they're clinically insane
Or even that the word "dumb" has a "B" in it… many people don't know this
Werewolf
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Word 4 Word, pitiful.
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Nairo said:

This is brutal. https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/read-leaked-alleged-text-of-trump-iran-deal/

Sounds like a bunch of agreeing to agree, which my attorney buddies tell me is worth approximately dick.
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hokiewolf said:

While you guys worry about drag queens....


Some of the hits from Trump's W T F comments at the G7:
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"I never cared about regime change."

You know, his primary objective when he started the war.

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"We're dealing with people that I think are very rational people. And they were nice to deal with... They were strong people, smart people... They're not radicalized, and they're, you know, looking to help their country."

Home boy never met a brutal dictator he didn't eventually fall in love with.

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"I call it the nuclear dust, their enriched material, right? Does America still insist on its removal from Iran? Well, maybe. The whole mountain has collapsed on top. We have cameras on it. You could make the case 'Why are you even bothering?' 'cause it's not really valuable. It's, you know, it's probably half a million dollars' worth. It's not very valuable stuff, but I think psychologically we wanna get it."

Soooooo, we never really wanted their nuclear material anyway, right guys?
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Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.

eljefe444
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Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.




That's the complaint, genius. Obama's deal didn't have any deaths or raise gas prices and Iran was complying with the inspections.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.




That's the complaint, genius. Obama's deal didn't have any deaths or raise gas prices and Iran was complying with the inspections.


If you think Iran was complying then you are dumber than I thought. No wonder you make a great democrat voter.
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Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.




That's the complaint, genius. Obama's deal didn't have any deaths or raise gas prices and Iran was complying with the inspections.


If you think Iran was complying then you are dumber than I thought. No wonder you make a great democrat voter.


So you trust them now because?
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#dave is pro Chinese, whatever it takes.
hokiewolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


no, I wanted what was promised by Donald Trump, complete surrender of a murderous regime that killed 40,000 of its own citizens. Instead we are signing a worse deal and blaming Israel, who btw was responsible for eliminating the leaders of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, with what appears to be zero thanks from this Administration.

So yes, I'm pissed because an opportunity was lost, an evil regime wil come out of this intact and stronger, they continue to murder their own citizens.

Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation. He didn't have to have troops on the ground. He just needed to continue to bleed Iran of money and lift just one finger to support the people of Iran. He choose not to do so. He failed so bad that I fear it will be decades before we come any closer to having a free Iran.

He has now pivoted against Israel, for the sin of actually trying to create safety for their country because it's taking too long for Trump. He sounded like a progressive Democrat yesterday blaming Israel.

You should be pissed too, but you can't bring yourself to see the errors of this folly.

The only good outcome of this is that Vance ****ed this up too, and almost no one believes anything that comes out of his mouth. I hope this means he will not be the nominee in 2028.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.




That's the complaint, genius. Obama's deal didn't have any deaths or raise gas prices and Iran was complying with the inspections.


If you think Iran was complying then you are dumber than I thought. No wonder you make a great democrat voter.


So you trust them now because?


No I don't trust Iran. They will never willingly give up trying to build a nuclear weapon or sponsoring terrorism around the would.

But many of their hardliners leadership are dead. They lost a trillion dollars. Their navy is at the bottom of the sea. They have no air power, no force projection and their nuclear program is dust or buried under mountains of rubble with most of their scientists dead.

Your turn. Why did you trust Iran was complying?
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


no, I wanted what was promised by Donald Trump, complete surrender of a murderous regime that killed 40,000 of its own citizens. Instead we are signing a worse deal and blaming Israel, who btw was responsible for eliminating the leaders of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, with what appears to be zero thanks from this Administration.

So yes, I'm pissed because an opportunity was lost, an evil regime wil come out of this intact and stronger, they continue to murder their own citizens.

Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation. He didn't have to have troops on the ground. He just needed to continue to bleed Iran of money and lift just one finger to support the people of Iran. He choose not to do so. He failed so bad that I fear it will be decades before we come any closer to having a free Iran.

He has now pivoted against Israel, for the sin of actually trying to create safety for their country because it's taking too long for Trump. He sounded like a progressive Democrat yesterday blaming Israel.

You should be pissed too, but you can't bring yourself to see the errors of this folly.

The only good outcome of this is that Vance ****ed this up too, and almost no one believes anything that comes out of his mouth. I hope this means he will not be the nominee in 2028.


How in the world can you say Iran is intact and will be stronger? Do not understand the damage done to them? My goodness…



Man, my head is spinning….

This conflict starts, you outrage.
This war ends, you outrage.

Trump said he didn't care about inflation, you outrage.
You say Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation, you outrage.

You literally said troops were needed on the ground, you outraged.
Now you say troops were not needed on the ground, you outrage.


Trump supports Israel, you outrage.
Trump doesn't support Israel, you outrage.

I'm starting to think you will outrage no matter what Trump does?

Now, where we do agree is hopefully Vance won't be the nominee as I prefer Rubio.
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#dave has long claimed to be a conservative Republican. Here, he finally comes out of the closet. #dave, you slipped up, LOL.
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Gulfstream4 said:
Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


no, I wanted what was promised by Donald Trump,
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Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.



no, I wanted what was promised by Donald Trump, complete surrender of a murderous regime that killed 40,000 of its own citizens. Instead we are signing a worse deal and blaming Israel, who btw was responsible for eliminating the leaders of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, with what appears to be zero thanks from this Administration.

So yes, I'm pissed because an opportunity was lost, an evil regime wil come out of this intact and stronger, they continue to murder their own citizens.

Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation. He didn't have to have troops on the ground. He just needed to continue to bleed Iran of money and lift just one finger to support the people of Iran. He choose not to do so. He failed so bad that I fear it will be decades before we come any closer to having a free Iran.

He has now pivoted against Israel, for the sin of actually trying to create safety for their country because it's taking too long for Trump. He sounded like a progressive Democrat yesterday blaming Israel.

You should be pissed too, but you can't bring yourself to see the errors of this folly.

The only good outcome of this is that Vance ****ed this up too, and almost no one believes anything that comes out of his mouth. I hope this means he will not be the nominee in 2028.


How in the world can you say Iran is intact and will be stronger? Do not understand the damage done to them? My goodness…



Man, my head is spinning….

This conflict starts, you outrage.
This war ends, you outrage.

Trump said he didn't care about inflation, you outrage.
You say Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation, you outrage.

You literally said troops were needed on the ground, you outraged.
Now you say troops were not needed on the ground, you outrage.


Trump supports Israel, you outrage.
Trump doesn't support Israel, you outrage.

I'm starting to think you will outrage no matter what Trump does?

Now, where we do agree is hopefully Vance won't be the nominee as I prefer Rubio.

Man, my head is spinning too, as you have distorted my posts on this matter in every single way possible.

This conflict starts, you outrage.

I'm sorry, what? This conflict started I was all in with support to get the job done, particularly after Iran decided to murder it's own citizens by the tens of thousands. The former and current leadership is evil and should have been wiped off the face of the earth. There are plenty of posts to that fact. Because Israel had so thoroughly destroyed Iran's air defense, the time to attack was now. Regime change was and still is the only option to guarantee Iran stops supporting terrorist organizations, hurling missiles at Israel, and trying to develop a nuclear arsenal in order to destroy Israel.

This war ends, you outrage.

No I am upset that Trump thought he could achieve victory in 60 days when everyone who is worth a damn in this administration has said it would take a year plus. I am upset for the reasons stated above.

Trump said he didn't care about inflation, you outrage

Trump cares about inflation in that he rightfully blamed the Biden administration for stoking the fire that honestly was started by the first Trump administration. Trump doesn't care that his dumb tariffs policy, which is not legal btw and you would be outraged if a democratic administration unilaterally acted like this. Frankly, the poor effort to limit government spending, debt increase, and the campaign promise to not do any entitlement reform further proves the above statement.

You say Trump chickened out because he was worried about inflation, you outrage

That's the problem with populism, you elect people who want to be liked, instead of having the conviction to do the right thing, even if it is at a detriment to your personal goals. So yes, Trump changed his mind, the fact that you can't either admit that or you choose to ignore that is not my problem, that's on you.

You literally said troops were needed on the ground, you outraged

No, what I said was that the successful regime changes where there was as peaceful a process as possible was the need for a UN security force, similar to Kosovo. That was never going to be possible because Trump and Vance have decided to nuke all relationships with our allies for the dumb ideas of tariffs, trade deficits, "paying their fair share" into NATO, threatening to invade Greenland, and just generally being *******s.

Now you say troops were not needed on the ground, you outrage.

Again, the blockade and the bleed of money for the regime in Iran was a winning strategy that takes time that Trump didn't want to wait for. That's frustrating and disappointing. So yes, I'm upset about that.

Trump supports Israel, you outrage.

This may be the most disappointing lie you've come up with. I have always personally supported Israel, it's right to exist, and it's right to defend itself. I have been a staunch watchdog here on the antisemitic posts, which btw I rarely see any populist right folks here do anything about, including yourself.

October 7 increased that support for Israel when Hamas invaded, kidnapped, murdered, tortured, and raped Israeli citizens in that attack. I commended Trump numerous times here on his unwavering support of Israel, it's elimination of Hamas and Hezbollah leadership, and allowing Israel to defend itself.

If there is one lie you stated in your post, this is the most disappointing misrepresentation you have made, and I'm frankly offended you did so. I expect this bull**** from Werewolf, not you. Do better.

Trump doesn't support Israel, you outrage.

You're damn right I do, yesterday's comments speak for themselves. Being angry at Israel for killing a Hezbollah leader, who again, has American blood on his hands should have been celebrated, not condemned. Stating Israel would be wiped off the map if not for Trump is the most ridiculous and offensive statement he has made to date, and that's saying a lot.

I'm starting to think you will outrage no matter what Trump does?


I expect more out of Republicans than Democrats because I align with what were the principles of the Republican party. Those have now been dismissed in favor of a populist revolt, for what aim, I'm still unclear about. The abandonment of conservative principles and moving to grievance politics by the populist right is a problem that judging by the candidates put forth for election in 2026 isn't going to go away any time soon.

So having policy disagreements isn't outrage, it's disappointment in the abandonment of what made the Republican party the party I identified with. I no longer believe that. If that's outrage, so be it.

Hope this clears up your confusion. I'm sure you'll respond with an excellent meme instead of having a conversation.
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No I don't trust Iran. They will never willingly give up trying to build a nuclear weapon or sponsoring terrorism around the would.

But many of their hardliners leadership are dead. They lost a trillion dollars. Their navy is at the bottom of the sea. They have no air power, no force projection and their nuclear program is dust or buried under mountains of rubble with most of their scientists dead.

Your turn. Why did you trust Iran was complying?

J. D. Vance said yesterday on Glenn Beck that they do not trust Iran. The idiots jumping to conclusions about Trump think he is stupid. "Let me go to the MSM so they can tell me what I am outraged about." Like the MSM can be trusted with anything they report. Russia collusion and everything other false story they have propagated over the last decade. They just cannot fathom or get past their Trump hate to believe he is doing good things all over the world that are good for America.

Unfortunately the brain dead are going to be disappointed again. Iran is not in any position to not behave. Let it play out you negative Nancies...oh wait it's Trummmmmmp!!!
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.


[sigh] It took 47 years to get here. Are you saying that is "short number of years"?

Who are the hawks you are talking about? Give me names, dates times, quotes….not "sources say"…"someone close to the situation"….bullsh*t.

The multi billion dollar war chest you like to regurgitate is an economic package paid by the Gulf Coast Nations and NOT the American taxpayers. But I agree it sounds great to the low information democrat voter. It is also conditional on Iran meeting strict stipulations. I feel like Iran will mess this up too?

No indications the new deal will be better? What bubble do you actually live in? Their program is dust or buried under a mountain of rubble and most of the top scientists are dead. I'd say that's a better indicator than a piece of paper signed by Obama.

I'm not even bothering with the rest. Your OPINION is not fact but you do tell it so well.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.


[sigh] It took 47 years to get here. Are you saying that is "short number of years"?

Who are the hawks you are talking about? Give me names, dates times, quotes….not "sources say"…"someone close to the situation"….bullsh*t.

The multi billion dollar war chest you like to regurgitate is an economic package paid by the Gulf Coast Nations and NOT the American taxpayers. But I agree it sounds great to the low information democrat voter. It is also conditional on Iran meeting strict stipulations. I feel like Iran will mess this up too?

No indications the new deal will be better? What bubble do you actually live in? Their program is dust or buried under a mountain of rubble and most of the top scientists are dead. I'd say that's a better indicator than a piece of paper signed by Obama.

I'm not even bothering with the rest. Your OPINION is not fact but you do tell it so well.


What were Trump's goals in starting the war? Specifically, I mean.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.


[sigh] It took 47 years to get here. Are you saying that is "short number of years"?

Who are the hawks you are talking about? Give me names, dates times, quotes….not "sources say"…"someone close to the situation"….bullsh*t.

The multi billion dollar war chest you like to regurgitate is an economic package paid by the Gulf Coast Nations and NOT the American taxpayers. But I agree it sounds great to the low information democrat voter. It is also conditional on Iran meeting strict stipulations. I feel like Iran will mess this up too?

No indications the new deal will be better? What bubble do you actually live in? Their program is dust or buried under a mountain of rubble and most of the top scientists are dead. I'd say that's a better indicator than a piece of paper signed by Obama.

I'm not even bothering with the rest. Your OPINION is not fact but you do tell it so well.


What were Trump's goals in starting the war? Specifically, I mean.


To stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon? What were Irans goals for the last 47 years?
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.


[sigh] It took 47 years to get here. Are you saying that is "short number of years"?

Who are the hawks you are talking about? Give me names, dates times, quotes….not "sources say"…"someone close to the situation"….bullsh*t.

The multi billion dollar war chest you like to regurgitate is an economic package paid by the Gulf Coast Nations and NOT the American taxpayers. But I agree it sounds great to the low information democrat voter. It is also conditional on Iran meeting strict stipulations. I feel like Iran will mess this up too?

No indications the new deal will be better? What bubble do you actually live in? Their program is dust or buried under a mountain of rubble and most of the top scientists are dead. I'd say that's a better indicator than a piece of paper signed by Obama.

I'm not even bothering with the rest. Your OPINION is not fact but you do tell it so well.


What were Trump's goals in starting the war? Specifically, I mean.


To stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon? What were Irans goals for the last 47 years?


And how has this war achieved that, in a way that we didn't already have in the 2018 agreement?

Not militarily. Intelligence to-date indicates that this war has inflicted little new damage to their nuclear capabilities.

Not diplomatically, either. That conversation has been punted to the 60-day negotiations and from what's been made public appears to be an exercise in giving Tehran financial support in exchange for nuclear limitations. Some deal.

The entire world will be shocked and overjoyed if this whole exercise is anything more than a colossal waste of diplomatic capital, resources, and lives.

Agree very much, Bill!

Quote:

Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.) on Wednesday slammed the deal between the Trump administration and Iran, two days before the two sides are set to sign it.

"The details that I've seen so far look … awful. This will go down as a tremendous foreign policy blunder," Cassidy told Nexstar's Reshad Hudson on Capitol Hill.

"It's clear that they don't have a plan. Or if this is the plan, it's not a very good plan, and that's because it's now been five months," Cassidy said, referring to the president initially saying the Iran war would take four to five weeks.

"So that's why I think Congress needs the ability to be fully briefed and to weigh in," added the Louisiana senator, who voted Tuesday in favor of an unsuccessful resolution intended to force Trump to withdraw U.S. forces from combat against Iran.
"Not to be told kind of top line what's going on, but to be fully briefed. And that's my … goal right now. Let the American people, by their elected representatives, have input into what we're doing, because it's not going as we were promised that it would go."


GOP Senator: Trump Iran deal 'tremendous foreign policy blunder'
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"The media can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Man, our liberal friends really do hate to see this conflict end without more American deaths, oil at $200 per barrel as they were hoping for and now a defanged Iran.

Oh well, on to next outrage.


Even the hawkiest of the hawks are calling bull**** on that. Nobody believes Iran has been "defanged" in a way that they can't remedy in some short number of years, especially with a new multi-hundred-billion dollar war chest at their disposal.

There are no indications the new deal will be a better nuke deterrent than the 2018 deal, or that it consequentially limits Iranian nuclear capabilities relative to prior to starting the war, but there are clear indicators the deal gives Iran financial relief to aid the rebuilding of its military capability.

The obvious practical and electoral problem here for Trump and Pubs is that not even the most poorly defined objectives have been achieved, and this ineptitude comes at great financial cost and loss of life and with no clear off-ramp.

Pubs with at least partial sanity know how poorly this plays electorally and geopolitically, which is why you're seeing pushback from the right on Trump and Vance's BS.


[sigh] It took 47 years to get here. Are you saying that is "short number of years"?

Who are the hawks you are talking about? Give me names, dates times, quotes….not "sources say"…"someone close to the situation"….bullsh*t.

The multi billion dollar war chest you like to regurgitate is an economic package paid by the Gulf Coast Nations and NOT the American taxpayers. But I agree it sounds great to the low information democrat voter. It is also conditional on Iran meeting strict stipulations. I feel like Iran will mess this up too?

No indications the new deal will be better? What bubble do you actually live in? Their program is dust or buried under a mountain of rubble and most of the top scientists are dead. I'd say that's a better indicator than a piece of paper signed by Obama.

I'm not even bothering with the rest. Your OPINION is not fact but you do tell it so well.


What were Trump's goals in starting the war? Specifically, I mean.


To stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon? What were Irans goals for the last 47 years?


And how has this war achieved that, in a way that we didn't already have in the 2018 agreement?

Not militarily. Intelligence to-date indicates that this war has inflicted little new damage to their nuclear capabilities.

Not diplomatically, either. That conversation has been punted to the 60-day negotiations and from what's been made public appears to be an exercise in giving Tehran financial support in exchange for nuclear limitations. Some deal.

The entire world will be shocked and overjoyed if this whole exercise is anything more than a colossal waste of diplomatic capital, resources, and lives.

Agree very much, Bill!

Quote:

Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.) on Wednesday slammed the deal between the Trump administration and Iran, two days before the two sides are set to sign it.

"The details that I've seen so far look … awful. This will go down as a tremendous foreign policy blunder," Cassidy told Nexstar's Reshad Hudson on Capitol Hill.

"It's clear that they don't have a plan. Or if this is the plan, it's not a very good plan, and that's because it's now been five months," Cassidy said, referring to the president initially saying the Iran war would take four to five weeks.

"So that's why I think Congress needs the ability to be fully briefed and to weigh in," added the Louisiana senator, who voted Tuesday in favor of an unsuccessful resolution intended to force Trump to withdraw U.S. forces from combat against Iran.
"Not to be told kind of top line what's going on, but to be fully briefed. And that's my … goal right now. Let the American people, by their elected representatives, have input into what we're doing, because it's not going as we were promised that it would go."


GOP Senator: Trump Iran deal 'tremendous foreign policy blunder'


How? By turning their program to dust and killing many of their top scientists, that's how. Sinking their navy, destroying their Air Force, destroying their ability to build rockets, killing many of the radicals, bankrupt them financially…etc is just icing on the cake.

"Intelligence to date"….here you go again with "sources say" or "someone familiar with the situation", BS again. I'm sure you'll try to dig up a quote from Al Jazeera and peddle it as fact but it's not and never will be.

What EXACTLY are you talking about when you say "giving Tehran financial support"?

The rest of it again is your opinion passed off as fact. You are good at that.

Bill Cassidy? LOL. You think he's going to say anything positive about the President after losing his primary to a Trump backed candidate? Come on man.
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SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.
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Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.
here is the unvarnished MOU for you to read directly this despicable surrender.



Please enlighten us on how this is victory for the US
Gulfstream4
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.
here is the unvarnished MOU for you to read directly this despicable surrender.



Please enlighten us on how this is victory for the US


Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon?
TheStorm
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Damn. This isn't predictable whatsoever…

Dumbasses have themselves frothed all up like a thoroughbred racehorse again waiting to advance into the gate. Heck, even our esteemed Civ is back temporarily…

We won't hear one fn word out of them when within the next 2-3 months reality sets in.
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.

here is the unvarnished MOU for you to read directly this despicable surrender.



Please enlighten us on how this is victory for the US


Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon?

ISOs of cash.
TheStorm
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I also think this means that packgrad won the contest between the two.
hokiewolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.
here is the unvarnished MOU for you to read directly this despicable surrender.



Please enlighten us on how this is victory for the US


Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon?
You think this is going to stop them? Also, the complete absence of anything about their continued proxy terrorism support seems like a huge miss.

They get to keep their missiles!

It's ridiculously weak and troubling. We were on a road to removing evil from power and we gave it up because the President got impatient. Just all around disappointing, particularly the complete abandoning of the Iranian resistance once again.
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