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packgrad said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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packgrad said:

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Cornpack said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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You can tell the people that don't know the rules for conceal carry.

Literal life lesson.

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I don't know the rules honestly, where did this guy go wrong?

This isn't a gotcha or anything. Your opinion sparked my interest because I've never done concealed carry classes.

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He didn't do anything wrong. He was a law abiding citizen who just happens to also be a gun owner. He was tackled, one agent disarmed him (but left his finger on the trigger), the agent who disarmed him accidentally fired the gun, and then the other agents unloaded their guns into him and before the body was even cold DHS was labeling him a domestic terrorist.

People who support the goals of ICE are just going to rationalize it however they need to keep from criticizing them.

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So you don't support the goals of ICE? Has that always been your position or just since a Republican became president?

You don't know the rules either. You certainly don't resist law enforcement when you're armed. Pretty common sense.

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I am a Republican. I just don't support masked men of the state disappearing people. I bet that's something you used to support too when we had a Democrat president.

They don't care about enforcing immigration law. That's is why they are in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida. They're deporting less people than Biden or Obama did, because they're just blanketedly targeting everyone brown with an accent on these fishing expeditions instead of following actual leads.

At the end of the day this is about two things, getting people used to seeing masked men with guns on the street, and punishing people who didn't vote for Trump in 24.

While we are talking about rules, the first rule of gun safety is don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot. If that agent followed that rule, that man is still alive.

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Lol. A Republican that says ICE is in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida. And masked men disappearing people. Why do you people lie about your party affiliation?

Over 25% of ICE arrests are in Texas. Minnesota is less than 1%. Red states cooperate with ICE. Blue states like Minnesota do not.

You don't know the rules of concealed carry. Please don't pretend you know how to disarm a person resisting arrest.

I'm sorry you don't like the Trump administration enforcing the law and following through on his campaign promise. Sounds TOTALLY like something a republican would say. Or not.

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Maybe he's not, a lot of Dems infiltrating the GOP these days, for various reasons. It's one reason why I'm a conservative but estranged from the GOP for a lot of reasons. Medicaid and gambling expansion here in NC are but one reason why.

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Good point.
I just don't think a Republican says any of the below, much less all of it.
- "masked men of the state disappearing people"
- "They don't care about enforcing immigration law."
- "That's is why they are in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida."
- "they're just blanketedly targeting everyone brown with an accent on these fishing expeditions instead of following actual leads"
- "At the end of the day this is about two things, getting people used to seeing masked men with guns on the street, and punishing people who didn't vote for Trump in 24."

Every single point is leftist propaganda.

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Their mask hypocrisy is ridiculous, when their communist agitators and Covidocrats mask, it's fine. When they made us mask, it was also fine.

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I'm sorry for any loss of life no matter who is but….BUT, if the Mayor and the guy out smarted by third world criminals who some here thought would make a good VP would get local authorities to work with ICE, maybe some of these things would not happen? It's almost they WANT this chaos and unrest to distract from something else that is happening under their watch?

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What would local police have done with the guy ICE just murdered, exactly?

He was legally filming ICE, holding a cell phone when attacked, and legally carrying a firearm. The agents tackled and disarmed him before shooting him 9 or 10 times. And then predictably Noem and Bovino and Stephen Miller immediately start with the unfounded lies 5 seconds later about the VA nurse who was legally carrying and holding a cell phone trying to massacre cops.

It is astonishing how very out of bounds constitutionally and how out of touch with truth and reality this Administration is.

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.