A perfect congressional candidate; the epitome of a Democrat. Just like #daGobbler, he projects something, and when cornered, he refuses to answer the question. Oh, what it must be like to be a #Pinnochio!

26-year-old congressional candidate Kat Abughazaleh, who was just indicted by the DOJ, rage-quits after being asked a few simple questions. @tarapalmeri: Did you etch the word pig on the side of an officer's car?

Abughazaleh: I'm not speaking to the specifics.

Palmeri: What… pic.twitter.com/hOuAxNSDCl

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 31, 2025

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

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Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Not one of my facts (not assertions) were ludicrous. I was an expert when you were trying to debate. Why I kept on telling you you are embarrassing yourself. You knew absolutlety nothing more than what you were looking up on the internet. It was obvious, but you did not keep your head down. Why?

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I never claimed to be an expert on Lean or whatever it is you're an "expert" in, but I have endless experience with consultants like yourself who get certified in some magical system and sell it to companies to cure what ails them. Without fail they're usually about 20% useful grains of truth, 80% jargon and nonsense. You helpfully proved the rule yet again, so thanks for that.

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Sorry man, but this time you're wrong. Cthepack does know what he's talking about.

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Lol, didn't this entire conversation get started because he insisted that companies that don't eat tariffs are losers who haven't successfully applied his waste-reducing brilliance? I don't recall you thinking he knows what he's talking about.

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I don't agree 100% with how he approaches tariffs and what that means for different manufacturers, but as far as how he has described his process, it's in line with what is really the best practices for manufacturing efficiency, and I'm not going to question his bonafides on that.

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We can leave Cthepack's acumen at his day job completely out of it.

The broader point is that companies across industries and on scale can't or won't eat tariffs.

That's simply not a rational probable outcome, given the totality of contrary evidence out there.

#Sieve, does this calculate out about right?

During Biden’s border crisis, Democrats gave illegal aliens 40% more for food than Americans on SNAP.

Now they’re using struggling Americans as “leverage” to demand free healthcare for illegals.

America last, again. pic.twitter.com/F7WER7zJvO

— Lance Gooden (@Lancegooden) October 30, 2025

#Sieve & #Nappy, hypothetical for ya. You reside and vote - only once, LOL - in Minneapolis.......who are you voting for Mayor?
Democrat or a Republican?

Omar Fateh waves foreign flag, speaks a foreign language, pledges his loyalty to Somalia, tells Somalians to elect him pic.twitter.com/ApJfb3yge3

— TexasTamie (@TexasTamieK) October 30, 2025

#Sieve and #Nappy lap this **** up...I doubt they come up for air.

Average salary of a nurse in Arizona is $88,000. https://t.co/Wzet9DyMC1

— Mike Beard (@PatriarchBeard) October 31, 2025

What an amazing President we have! He just returned from a busy, jam-packed Asia trip, managed to negotiate billions of dollars in deals with several world leaders to benefit America, was on AF1 all night and most of the day flying home, and now he's handing out candy for… https://t.co/fTcHZkH7om pic.twitter.com/06u56NIQsr

— Lisa Mei (@TheNotoriousLMC) October 30, 2025

In case you missed part 2, #Sieve.

Trump and Melania perform the thriller dance routine in front of The White House:

pic.twitter.com/KbROTdXwCU

— AlphaFox (@Alphafox78) October 31, 2025

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Civilized said:

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

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Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Not one of my facts (not assertions) were ludicrous. I was an expert when you were trying to debate. Why I kept on telling you you are embarrassing yourself. You knew absolutlety nothing more than what you were looking up on the internet. It was obvious, but you did not keep your head down. Why?

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I never claimed to be an expert on Lean or whatever it is you're an "expert" in, but I have endless experience with consultants like yourself who get certified in some magical system and sell it to companies to cure what ails them. Without fail they're usually about 20% useful grains of truth, 80% jargon and nonsense. You helpfully proved the rule yet again, so thanks for that.

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Sorry man, but this time you're wrong. Cthepack does know what he's talking about.

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Lol, didn't this entire conversation get started because he insisted that companies that don't eat tariffs are losers who haven't successfully applied his waste-reducing brilliance? I don't recall you thinking he knows what he's talking about.

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I don't agree 100% with how he approaches tariffs and what that means for different manufacturers, but as far as how he has described his process, it's in line with what is really the best practices for manufacturing efficiency, and I'm not going to question his bonafides on that.

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We can leave Cthepack's acumen at his day job completely out of it.

The broader point is that companies across industries and on scale can't or won't eat tariffs.

That's simply not a rational probable outcome, given the totality of contrary evidence out there.

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Cthepack's entire point was predicated on his (and Hokie's apparently) "manufacturing industry best practice" viewpoint that 80% of any company is "waste", which leads to his conclusion that every company should easily be able to absorb massive tariffs with the right amount of consulting.

It's self-evidently a load of dogmatic jargon that's not remotely true in any practical sense. Anyhoo.

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

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Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Not one of my facts (not assertions) were ludicrous. I was an expert when you were trying to debate. Why I kept on telling you you are embarrassing yourself. You knew absolutlety nothing more than what you were looking up on the internet. It was obvious, but you did not keep your head down. Why?

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I never claimed to be an expert on Lean or whatever it is you're an "expert" in, but I have endless experience with consultants like yourself who get certified in some magical system and sell it to companies to cure what ails them. Without fail they're usually about 20% useful grains of truth, 80% jargon and nonsense. You helpfully proved the rule yet again, so thanks for that.

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Sorry man, but this time you're wrong. Cthepack does know what he's talking about.

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Lol, didn't this entire conversation get started because he insisted that companies that don't eat tariffs are losers who haven't successfully applied his waste-reducing brilliance? I don't recall you thinking he knows what he's talking about.

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I don't agree 100% with how he approaches tariffs and what that means for different manufacturers, but as far as how he has described his process, it's in line with what is really the best practices for manufacturing efficiency, and I'm not going to question his bonafides on that.

---

We can leave Cthepack's acumen at his day job completely out of it.

The broader point is that companies across industries and on scale can't or won't eat tariffs.

That's simply not a rational probable outcome, given the totality of contrary evidence out there.

---

Cthepack's entire point was predicated on his (and Hokie's apparently) "manufacturing industry best practice" viewpoint that 80% of any company is "waste", which leads to his conclusion that every company should easily be able to absorb massive tariffs with the right amount of consulting.

It's self-evidently a load of dogmatic jargon that's not remotely true in any practical sense. Anyhoo.

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Most of the work I do is not manufacturing. It's over 90% not 80%.

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

---

Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

---

Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Smapty, no offense... wanting to debate you and/or discuss topics is not a desired challenge for anyone. I know you think you're smarter than everyone here; so, why do you feel it necessary to engage un-worthy adversaries?

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No offense, but I'd guess that 80% of the IPS community is smarter than almost everyone who frequents the Water Cooler. It's a really low bar.

Anyway, like I said, for the most part I'm not really engaging with you. I'm not sure that's actually possible. But we live in an era where MAGA has gone to war with reality in order to get what they want, and it's very important that everyone else push back and remind other people trying to figure out what's going on that reality still exists.

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You know, with you being the smartest person in the room, I'm sure you already know that 80% of IPS is smarter. Hey, atleast you admit that you're not engaging with me. The smartest person in the room doesn't lower himself to my level.

ok…

BTW, I just like winning. Something my team is doing a lot of, recently…

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I've actually tried to engage with you more than a few times. Like I said, having an actual conversation where you respond without instantly changing the subject, and don't quickly revert back to to sh**posting, doesn't seem to be possible.

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

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Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Not one of my facts (not assertions) were ludicrous. I was an expert when you were trying to debate. Why I kept on telling you you are embarrassing yourself. You knew absolutlety nothing more than what you were looking up on the internet. It was obvious, but you did not keep your head down. Why?

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I never claimed to be an expert on Lean or whatever it is you're an "expert" in, but I have endless experience with consultants like yourself who get certified in some magical system and sell it to companies to cure what ails them. Without fail they're usually about 20% useful grains of truth, 80% jargon and nonsense. You helpfully proved the rule yet again, so thanks for that.

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Sorry man, but this time you're wrong. Cthepack does know what he's talking about.

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Lol, didn't this entire conversation get started because he insisted that companies that don't eat tariffs are losers who haven't successfully applied his waste-reducing brilliance? I don't recall you thinking he knows what he's talking about.

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I don't agree 100% with how he approaches tariffs and what that means for different manufacturers, but as far as how he has described his process, it's in line with what is really the best practices for manufacturing efficiency, and I'm not going to question his bonafides on that.

---

We can leave Cthepack's acumen at his day job completely out of it.

The broader point is that companies across industries and on scale can't or won't eat tariffs.

That's simply not a rational probable outcome, given the totality of contrary evidence out there.

---

Cthepack's entire point was predicated on his (and Hokie's apparently) "manufacturing industry best practice" viewpoint that 80% of any company is "waste", which leads to his conclusion that every company should easily be able to absorb massive tariffs with the right amount of consulting.

It's self-evidently a load of dogmatic jargon that's not remotely true in any practical sense. Anyhoo.

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Most of the work I do is not manufacturing. It's over 90% not 80%.

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Lol, riiiight! 90% definitely sounds like a scary amount of waste that definitely justifies paying a consultant! Of course on Planet Earth in 2025 it's only possible/practical to reduce a tiny fraction of what you call "waste".

Anyway, whatever. No interest in this conversation again.

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

---

Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Not one of my facts (not assertions) were ludicrous. I was an expert when you were trying to debate. Why I kept on telling you you are embarrassing yourself. You knew absolutlety nothing more than what you were looking up on the internet. It was obvious, but you did not keep your head down. Why?

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I never claimed to be an expert on Lean or whatever it is you're an "expert" in, but I have endless experience with consultants like yourself who get certified in some magical system and sell it to companies to cure what ails them. Without fail they're usually about 20% useful grains of truth, 80% jargon and nonsense. You helpfully proved the rule yet again, so thanks for that.

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Sorry man, but this time you're wrong. Cthepack does know what he's talking about.

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Lol, didn't this entire conversation get started because he insisted that companies that don't eat tariffs are losers who haven't successfully applied his waste-reducing brilliance? I don't recall you thinking he knows what he's talking about.

---

I don't agree 100% with how he approaches tariffs and what that means for different manufacturers, but as far as how he has described his process, it's in line with what is really the best practices for manufacturing efficiency, and I'm not going to question his bonafides on that.

---

We can leave Cthepack's acumen at his day job completely out of it.

The broader point is that companies across industries and on scale can't or won't eat tariffs.

That's simply not a rational probable outcome, given the totality of contrary evidence out there.

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I got involved in the conversation when it was assumed prices will go up to maintain profit margins. I told you guys you are missing the third piece of the equation, cost.

I do not agree with the tariffs except for with China. But do not mind trying some things when you are the biggest economy by far.

Companies are lazy as are most CEOs. I can not remember ever saying any company is bad. You all are extrapolating my comment of a good company looking after their customer taking those that do not as bad. Lazy yes but not bad.

You quoted numbers back 160 to 200 years. Significant structured cost reduction has really only happened in the last 30 to 40 years. I am so busy working with companies that are looking to flank their comp I have not been home since mid august. So I think more companies than you think are taking the approach of trying their best not to invoke price increases.

Obviously I do not know you or hokie but what I do know is that the construction industry is a cost plus system. It's acceptable to pass on costs to the customer.

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#Sieve, its all Trump's fault, LOL. You are one brainwashed minion, my friend.

🚨 BREAKING: Chuck Schumer faces a stunning loss after being CALLED OUT for holding the government hostage by the presidents of Airlines for America, Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, Allied Pilots Association, Air Traffic Controllers Association, U.S. Travel Association.… pic.twitter.com/Ti7NOreTOb

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) October 30, 2025

🚨 HOLY CRAP! The CEO of United Airlines is now GOING OFF on Chuck Schumer and the Democrats for shuttering the government and refusing to pay air traffic controllers

It's getting worse for Chuck!

"Let's get a CLEAN CR...without putting the American workers and economy at… pic.twitter.com/qjjGKjL0SB

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) October 30, 2025

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You know it's bad when the CEO of United is calling Chuck out

I love that Dems are stupid enough to believe that people believe this ***** I mean, we know the mindless minion dems that hysterically post here believe it, but reasonable intelligent people laugh at the stupidity of it.

Tonight before bed my 8-year-old asked me if the immigrants we know are going to be put in jail. I told him no. But that may be a lie.

We are better than this.

— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) October 31, 2025

“People are starting to get grand jury subpoenas. I’ve been talking to defense lawyers and about 20 to 30 have gone out in the last couple of weeks. The big conspiracy is now being put together.” 💥

Very interesting interview between John Solomon & Steve Bannon yesterday. Due… pic.twitter.com/L2GMh9oW7V

— TheStormHasArrived (@TheStormRedux) October 31, 2025

Democrat candidate for Senate in Maine is teaching ANTIFA shooting in a prone position. These Democrats sure do love their ANTIFA. Don't you #Sieve?

HOLEE SHIZZLES‼️

🚨 Democrat Candidate running for Senator in Maine Trains ANTIFA-linked Paramilitary Groups, including how to Shoot from Prone Position at 100+ Yards

- @BigSteve207 , Editor-in-Chief of The Maine Wire, analyzed archived Reddit posts from 2020 under the handle… pic.twitter.com/xot8LxOEAw

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) October 31, 2025

The administration needs to look at prioritizing entrance for lovely young ladies from overseas.

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/10/31/german-anti-greta-climate-skeptic-now-seeks-asylum-in-us-n2195716

I AM SEEKING ASYLUM IN THE U.S. 🇩🇪🇺🇸

My name is Naomi Seibt,

I am the 1st German applying for asylum under President Trump due to political persecution.

As a free speech advocate and supporter of the AfD party, I am the target of
• intelligence surveillance
• state media… pic.twitter.com/rdsj4Qg4BB

— Naomi Seibt (@SeibtNaomi) October 29, 2025

Two highly acclaimed Female MD'a discuss the matrix we live in and discuss the medical professions 'men in black'.
https://rumble.com/v711fdy-10-31-25-at-9am-cst-45t..html

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The administration needs to look at prioritizing entrance for lovely young ladies from overseas.

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/10/31/german-anti-greta-climate-skeptic-now-seeks-asylum-in-us-n2195716

I AM SEEKING ASYLUM IN THE U.S. 🇩🇪🇺🇸

My name is Naomi Seibt,

I am the 1st German applying for asylum under President Trump due to political persecution.

As a free speech advocate and supporter of the AfD party, I am the target of
• intelligence surveillance
• state media… pic.twitter.com/rdsj4Qg4BB

— Naomi Seibt (@SeibtNaomi) October 29, 2025

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Be careful. Our liberal friends might call you a racist.

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It's positively wild how angry some people on here are, at total strangers, for no good reason.

And how they attack those strangers with personal insults online because they have a different political opinion.

This is a message board. It's not real life. We talking 'bout practice. Practice, man.

I'll never get it.

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Ok, take a look at your boy Smapty…. He is full-on personal insults with people he thinks is beneath him, intellectually. Just ask him…

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Civ has the patience of Job. Me not so much. I try, but I'm more than happy to point out when someone is a rage-filled moron spewing demonic, anti-American opinions and blindly nodding along to obvious cons.

Unfortunately I get daily opportunities around here.

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So, who do you equate that opinion with?

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That's easy. Everybody but Civ... he even torches hokie whenever he slightly steps out of line.

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No, I've never "torched" Hokie. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's one of the few conservatives on here (there are a small handful) that actually just debates ideas like an adult.

Unfortunately the majority of you guys are emotionally and intellectually stunted and are clearly unable to debate anything. Hilariously you think Hokie is a lefty (not even close) exactly because he's able to think about things for himself and doesn't just fling crap.

Back in the good ol' days when a person didn't actually have a clue they just kept their head down, because they didn't want to look stupid. But not you guys! You're in a constant state of reading a tweet that's "awful, if true" (hint: they're never true), and then raging about it at the top of your lungs. For the sake of the country, you deserve all of the condescension that can possibly be heaped on you.

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Curious why you do not just keep your head down?

Just for reference, what you were attempting to debate me on you had no clue. You were just doing inter web searches. I posted numerous times you are embarrassing yourself but you did not "put your head down", you continued to look stupid.

I am an expert on the topic you tried to debate me on. I lecture at universities about it (including NC State). I have published on the topic. I do a couple conferences a year where I speak about the topic.

So again, I am cureioius why you did not just keep your head down?

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Ugh, this again? Lol, oh now you're a renowned expert on the topic? You were making a lot of ludicrous assertions for a renowned expert. I'm still trying to figure out how you don't consider your own consulting services "pure waste".

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Smapty, no offense... wanting to debate you and/or discuss topics is not a desired challenge for anyone. I know you think you're smarter than everyone here; so, why do you feel it necessary to engage un-worthy adversaries?

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No offense, but I'd guess that 80% of the IPS community is smarter than almost everyone who frequents the Water Cooler. It's a really low bar.

Anyway, like I said, for the most part I'm not really engaging with you. I'm not sure that's actually possible. But we live in an era where MAGA has gone to war with reality in order to get what they want, and it's very important that everyone else push back and remind other people trying to figure out what's going on that reality still exists.

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You know, with you being the smartest person in the room, I'm sure you already know that 80% of IPS is smarter. Hey, atleast you admit that you're not engaging with me. The smartest person in the room doesn't lower himself to my level.

ok…

BTW, I just like winning. Something my team is doing a lot of, recently…

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I've actually tried to engage with you more than a few times. Like I said, having an actual conversation where you respond without instantly changing the subject, and don't quickly revert back to to sh**posting, doesn't seem to be possible.

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Smapty, I'll accept your criticism. Let's start new. I'll stop calling you an "it" and you stop railing on MAGA. Let's just keep it to policy and differences.

i was getting ready to post an IG post about liberals…. I'm going to refrain.and stay above water with rhetoric. You up to it?

Mike Johnson hasn't shared a plan because Republicans have no plan other than owning libs.

MARGE ON MAHER: “Dems passed Obamacare, Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems… I don’t think it’s easy to fix, but we should have a plan — and @SpeakerJohnson for a month now can’t give me a single policy idea.” pic.twitter.com/WqnhtHcbl6

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) November 1, 2025

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Mike Johnson hasn't shared a plan because Republicans have no plan other than owning libs.

MARGE ON MAHER: “Dems passed Obamacare, Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems… I don’t think it’s easy to fix, but we should have a plan — and @SpeakerJohnson for a month now can’t give me a single policy idea.” pic.twitter.com/WqnhtHcbl6

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) November 1, 2025

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The administration needs to look at prioritizing entrance for lovely young ladies from overseas.

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/10/31/german-anti-greta-climate-skeptic-now-seeks-asylum-in-us-n2195716

I AM SEEKING ASYLUM IN THE U.S. 🇩🇪🇺🇸

My name is Naomi Seibt,

I am the 1st German applying for asylum under President Trump due to political persecution.

As a free speech advocate and supporter of the AfD party, I am the target of
• intelligence surveillance
• state media… pic.twitter.com/rdsj4Qg4BB

— Naomi Seibt (@SeibtNaomi) October 29, 2025

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Be careful. Our liberal friends might call you a racist.

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I'm a connoisseur of beauty!

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Mike Johnson hasn't shared a plan because Republicans have no plan other than owning libs.

MARGE ON MAHER: “Dems passed Obamacare, Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems… I don’t think it’s easy to fix, but we should have a plan — and @SpeakerJohnson for a month now can’t give me a single policy idea.” pic.twitter.com/WqnhtHcbl6

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) November 1, 2025

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You are really digging on Marge. What changed?

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Shes saying one thing rational. We have to celebrate that just like maybe one day one of the squad will do so as well......nah!

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Mike Johnson hasn't shared a plan because Republicans have no plan other than owning libs.

MARGE ON MAHER: “Dems passed Obamacare, Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems… I don’t think it’s easy to fix, but we should have a plan — and @SpeakerJohnson for a month now can’t give me a single policy idea.” pic.twitter.com/WqnhtHcbl6

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Shes saying one thing rational. We have to celebrate that just like maybe one day one of the squad will do so as well......nah!

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I didn't watch the MTG video; however, she has been clear that the Pubs don't act with solid legislation. Whether one agrees with the policy/plan that she might advise, she atleast wants to do something, because what we have isn't sustainable.

I'm not a fan of Obamacare, because of all the incentives that insurance providers received within the program. Also, the whole concept that Obamacare was a Free Market solution is absurd, in my opinion. A Free Market solution wouldn't need subsidies. A free Market Solution wouldn't be managed through the government.

Now, I know we have a segment of our population that needs support, that our people will provide through our taxes and the Government will manage. Personally, I would like to see a more strenuous overview put on qualifications and see what happens. So, why do I think we need a more strenuous approach is purely based on the fact that 42 M people receive SNAP support. That's purely crazy! Something is missing in our economy that allows for that many people to be on benefits, payed for by the tax payers!

I agree with a lot of what you have said, but 42M people is 12% of the population and of that 42M are 16M children, 8M seniors, and 4M people with disabilities.

So, we should figure out who these 16M who seem able bodied or abled bodied with children and figure out the why, and engage community support to give these folks hope through treating them with dignity. Get your dignity back, your motivation comes back. Your motivation comes back, you're off SNAP.

Now, this is far from an easy problem, but Republicans treat these people as lazy, and Democrats treat them as unable. That paradigm needs to shift on both sides

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I agree with a lot of what you have said, but 42M people is 12% of the population and of that 42M are 16M children, 8M seniors, and 4M people with disabilities.

So, we should figure out who these 16M who seem able bodied or abled bodied with children and figure out the why, and engage community support to give these folks hope through treating them with dignity. Get your dignity back, your motivation comes back. Your motivation comes back, you're off SNAP.

Now, this is far from an easy problem, but Republicans treat these people as lazy, and Democrats treat them as unable. That paradigm needs to shift on both sides

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Hokie, some are lazy; however, my hunch is that they lost their jobs to outsourcing. This comes back to my continuous complaints about people sitting on their porch, in High Point, then see the factories shut down.

i know we don't agree on this…. I believe we sold out Americans to outsourcing and now we complain about them being lazy or on the dole. I'm confident that my opinion isn't a fix-all solution; however, I'm confident it fixes a good amount of our ills…

what's funny is all the video, now popping up of Ross Perot during the Presidential debate with Bush Sr and Clinton saying…

that sucking sound… it's our jobs leaving.

i wish I would have listened to him more, back then.

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I agree with a lot of what you have said, but 42M people is 12% of the population and of that 42M are 16M children, 8M seniors, and 4M people with disabilities.

So, we should figure out who these 16M who seem able bodied or abled bodied with children and figure out the why, and engage community support to give these folks hope through treating them with dignity. Get your dignity back, your motivation comes back. Your motivation comes back, you're off SNAP.

Now, this is far from an easy problem, but Republicans treat these people as lazy, and Democrats treat them as unable. That paradigm needs to shift on both sides

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Hokie, some are lazy; however, my hunch is that they lost their jobs to outsourcing. This comes back to my continuous complaints about people sitting on their porch, in High Point, then see the factories shut down.

i know we don't agree on this…. I believe we sold out Americans to outsourcing and now we complain about them being lazy or on the dole. I'm confident that my opinion isn't a fix-all solution; however, I'm confident it fixes a good amount of our ills…

what's funny is all the video, now popping up of Ross Perot during the Presidential debate with Bush Sr and Clinton saying…

that sucking sound… it's our jobs leaving.

i wish I would have listened to him more, back then.

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Do you feel like some of your thoughts are a bit nostalgic? The jobs are there still they are just different. The failure of the '90s was these towns not recognizing that they need to adapt. The ones that did are thriving and don't have people sitting on their porches.