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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

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Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

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This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

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How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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Werewolf said:

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

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Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

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This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

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How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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Not to mention they could've made the subsidies permanent.

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When was that? When Dem control of the Senate was hinging on the whims of the preening a**hole Joe Manchin, who refused to make the subsidies permanent? Was there some other time I'm not aware of?

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Maybe win some elections? Joe Manchin is one of the very few sane democrats left so absolutely no surprise you're not a fan.

FlossyDFlynt said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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Werewolf said:

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

---

Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

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This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

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How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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You're starting with a flawed premise.

The ask isn't to extend subsidies at all costs. It's to extend subsidies unless and until there's a better plan in place. The Dems' insistence on the subsidy extension at this time is because it's implcit Republicans don't have a plan. They don't even have the concept of a plan (that anyone has coherently articulated anyway).

Flip this on its head and war game it.

Say you let subsidies expire. You own the libs. You win. Then what?

What do you think will happen, who will that effect, and how will those effects benefit Republicans electorally, or Americans at-large?

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Werewolf said:

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Civilized said:

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

---

Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

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This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

---

How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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You're starting with a flawed premise.

The ask isn't to extend subsidies at all costs. It's to extend subsidies unless and until there's a better plan in place. The Dems' insistence on the subsidy extension at this time is because it's implcit Republicans don't have a plan. They don't even have the concept of a plan (that anyone has coherently articulated anyway).

Flip this on its head and war game it.

Say you let subsidies expire. You own the libs. You win. Then what?

What do you think will happen, who will that effect, and how will those effects benefit Republicans electorally, or Americans at-large?

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Ok, but if were going to do that, lets go back to 2022. Those subsidies were passed with the justification they were needed to help stabilize healthcare in the post COVID world on an expiring basis. We are out of COVID and healthcare hasnt collapsed, so why do we need to extend the subsidies at all? If the subsidies were needed on a permanent basis, why were they passed with an expiration date of 2025? Why do we need a better plan in place, shouldnt the ACA be able to stand on its own?

If you had to put a face on why men have abandoned the Democratic Party and aren't coming back any time soon, this would be it. https://t.co/fSktpGxAeQ

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) October 29, 2025

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

---

Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

---

This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

---

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

---

What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

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How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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Not to mention they could've made the subsidies permanent.

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When was that? When Dem control of the Senate was hinging on the whims of the preening a**hole Joe Manchin, who refused to make the subsidies permanent? Was there some other time I'm not aware of?

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Maybe win some elections? Joe Manchin is one of the very few sane democrats left so absolutely no surprise you're not a fan.

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Ok cool, but at least you can retire your stupid talking point.

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Nah don't think so.

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

---

Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

---

This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

---

How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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You're starting with a flawed premise.

The ask isn't to extend subsidies at all costs. It's to extend subsidies unless and until there's a better plan in place. The Dems' insistence on the subsidy extension at this time is because it's implcit Republicans don't have a plan. They don't even have the concept of a plan (that anyone has coherently articulated anyway).

Flip this on its head and war game it.

Say you let subsidies expire. You own the libs. You win. Then what?

What do you think will happen, who will that effect, and how will those effects benefit Republicans electorally, or Americans at-large?

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Ok, but if were going to do that, lets go back to 2022. Those subsidies were passed with the justification they were needed to help stabilize healthcare in the post COVID world on an expiring basis. We are out of COVID and healthcare hasnt collapsed, so why do we need to extend the subsidies at all? If the subsidies were needed on a permanent basis, why were they passed with an expiration date of 2025? Why do we need a better plan in place, shouldnt the ACA be able to stand on its own?

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Why are we conflating "what would have been best for Americans" with "what was politically possible in the moment?"

What was best for Americans, and what got done, were not fully aligned. This ain't new.

Who does letting subsidies expire benefit?

Which of these do you think will not happen when the subsidies expire:

1. Health insurance costs will rise sharply
2. Millions will lose coverage
3. Younger, healthier individuals will drop coverage at a greater rate than those older and less healthy, which will skew the risk pool and increase premiums further
4. States that didn't expand Medicaid (mostly red southern states) would see the largest increases in dropped coverage and uninsured Americans, and most of those southern states are too poor to subsidize using state funds
5. Rural clinics will feel the pinch the most since they'll have higher rates of uncompensated care, forcing some rural providers out of business (again, disproportionately impacting red communities)
6. We'll see a consequential rise in medical bankruptcies

Do Republicans think these things won't happen, or are they just going to shrug their shoulders when they do?

Do you think voters are just going to shrug their shoulders?

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Preach, Marge.

Is it too much for me to ask what is my party’s plan to build the off ramp off of Obamacare onto price transparency, a competitive market, and affordable high quality care?

Nov 1 is Saturday, starting open enrollment with already high premiums skyrocketing.

It’s been 15 years. https://t.co/nQS3Iw68lu

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) October 29, 2025

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You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?

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Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.

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This should be you cue, #Sieve!

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Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

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Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.

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What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

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Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

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Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

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How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.

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Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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So the ask for the Pubs to come to the table to extend subsidies not a single Pub voted for on a bill not a single Pub voted for? On what planet is that going to happen?

I dont have the answer on what to do with the ACA, but I can certainly see why the Pubs are telling the Dems to kick rocks when it comes to it.

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You're starting with a flawed premise.

The ask isn't to extend subsidies at all costs. It's to extend subsidies unless and until there's a better plan in place. The Dems' insistence on the subsidy extension at this time is because it's implcit Republicans don't have a plan. They don't even have the concept of a plan (that anyone has coherently articulated anyway).

Flip this on its head and war game it.

Say you let subsidies expire. You own the libs. You win. Then what?

What do you think will happen, who will that effect, and how will those effects benefit Republicans electorally, or Americans at-large?

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Ok, but if were going to do that, lets go back to 2022. Those subsidies were passed with the justification they were needed to help stabilize healthcare in the post COVID world on an expiring basis. We are out of COVID and healthcare hasnt collapsed, so why do we need to extend the subsidies at all? If the subsidies were needed on a permanent basis, why were they passed with an expiration date of 2025? Why do we need a better plan in place, shouldnt the ACA be able to stand on its own?

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Why are we conflating "what would have been best for Americans" with "what was politically possible in the moment?"

What was best for Americans, and what got done, were not fully aligned. This ain't new.

Who does letting subsidies expire benefit?

Which of these do you think will not happen when the subsidies expire:

1. Health insurance costs will rise sharply
2. Millions will lose coverage
3. Younger, healthier individuals will drop coverage at a greater rate than those older and less healthy, which will skew the risk pool and increase premiums further
4. States that didn't expand Medicaid (mostly red southern states) would see the largest increases in dropped coverage and uninsured Americans, and most of those southern states are too poor to subsidize using state funds
5. Rural clinics will feel the pinch the most since they'll have higher rates of uncompensated care, forcing some rural providers out of business (again, disproportionately impacting red communities)
6. We'll see a consequential rise in medical bankruptcies

Do Republicans think these things won't happen, or are they just going to shrug their shoulders when they do?

Do you think voters are just going to shrug their shoulders?

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If Republicans thought that, they'd be chainsawing the federal budget yesterday. I have no confidence in receiving the social security benefits I'm eligible for but have chosen not to, by the time of the early 2030s they'll either be cut or inflated to increasing worthlessness. The spending which the filibustering Dems are demanding….we don't have the money, the US is effectively broke but with a debt creation machine run by the Fed to maintain the illusion that we do have money.

Patriots.

Thank you for your service to this great nation Mitch, Susan, Lisa, and Rand.

Hopefully some of your colleagues can find their balls too.

BREAKING: The Senate just voted 50–46 to STOP Trump’s tariffs on Canada.

These four Republicans voted to stop them along with every democrat.

• Mitch McConnell
• Susan Collins
• Lisa Murkowski
• Rand Paul

Thank you. pic.twitter.com/ZEzR8A4ZSU

— Brian Krassenstein (@krassenstein) October 29, 2025