TRUMP 2024

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Civilized said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

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packgrad said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Remember all of the manufactured bellyaching about the Biden Crime Family? "OMG, did Hunter make a few million?! What about Biden's house?"

Meanwhile, while you were glued to the Trump Show, the Trump Crime Family's net worth has DOUBLED to $10 BILLION in 10 months!

I know Hokie will say "both sides", but where are my MAGA Crime Stoppers at? Cary? Anyone?

What is the Trump organizations supposed to do? Lose money and net worth, like they did in the first four years?

Smapt, come on... you know they run a business, right? So, comparing the Biden's to the Trumps is a massive reach, even for you...

It was actually a rhetorical question. There was never a question that you guys would happily nod along to the blatant and unprecedented corruption in our face right now.

Just put a pin in this for even more bawling we can ignore next time a Dem is president.


Thanks for accentuating there was no point based on anything factual. Just more "cry wolf" hyperventilating from mindless betas. Thats working great for you guys. Keep it up!!

Hey cool! Here's Trump telling the president of Indonesia to give Eric a call. You know, normal president stuff.



And that's on the heels of the cartoonishly corrupt Qatari golf course deal (in case you're wondering why Trump got so mad about Israel bombing Qatar) that ended up with Qatari pilots stationed in the US and a bunch of other goodies.

$5 billion in 10 months! The Trump Family's new American Foreign Policy, Inc apparently has a great business model!

Oh, and that was on the heels of UAE dumping $2 billion dollars into Binance, which is responsible for like 80% of the Trump Family crypto business, followed by Trump granting UAE access to our most powerful and scarce AI chips. UAE even used Trump's coin to facilitate the investment, basically handing the Trump Family that $2 billion to earn 10s of millions in yearly interest on.

And then of course soon after, Trump pardoned the CEO of Binance, who had pled guilty to money laundering in 2023. Can't have the CEO making you rich in jail, can you?

Anyway, I could go on. It really is endless.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/trump-uae-chips-witkoff-world-liberty.html


Did you say something?



Exactly my point.

Hunter Biden making a few million in consulting fees was THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY, but Trump taking the Supreme Court's "Presidents are above the law" thing to heart (not even trying to hide it) and turning American foreign policy into a Trump Family transaction just hasn't crossed your radar.

The brazen transparency and the scale are obviously completely and totally different. As is the case with all things Trump, the party thinks his open flouting of laws and norms actually makes it OK, or even endearing. Comer says as much. They also refuse to address the scale of the indiscretions when both-sides-ing everything under the sun.

Go analyze the before-and-after family wealth of the Biden Crime Family before taking office and after, and then do the same analysis the Trump family and get back to us.

(Cliff's Notes version: the increases in wealth while in office differ by multiple orders of magnitude)



Mr. Tapper is certainly a trusted source
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packgrad said:

Can't stop winning.




hokie?
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Well, well, well. Thoughts/prayers for the tds boys. Maybe things won't work out and you guys can celebrate, but things sure are looking good for people that love their country.

Werewolf
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

She's really moved on from Jewish Space Lasers


Most shocking comeback to sanity I've seen since the Maryland game back in 2011.


Oh darn, I accidentally posted to #Sieve's post.


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Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

She's really moved on from Jewish Space Lasers


Most shocking comeback to sanity I've seen since the Maryland game back in 2011.


Oh darn, I accidentally posted to #Sieve's post.





Oh boy…the cat ladies are not to like that.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



Fair enough. Forgive my skepticism.
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......and our resident #sheeple (aka 3 blind mice) have yet to ponder, "what gives". LOL

Oh, that's right, they have ......"no kings" .... :-)

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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!

Pronounced "Q" by the way, but not to be confused with Q. ;-)
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Werewolf
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Special delivery edition for the '3 blind mice'....a good look at Trump's Crown. Suck from this straw, #sheeple.

What could he going on in the background!?
#Naaah ;-)

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Befitting a king, don't you think, #Sieve? LOL
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Civilized
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Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.
FlossyDFlynt
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Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.
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#Sieve, come back in session via CR and legislate ......you might get some of that 1.5 trillion for your illegals!
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hokiewolf
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Too little too late, will still need a bailout for farmers
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Devil is in the details when the agreement is actually signed.
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Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?
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hokiewolf said:

Devil is in the details when the agreement is actually signed.

#Gobbler, are you one of "the Jews"? Or simply sucking from the globalist trough of Carney, Soros, WEF, China and the NWO?







#Gobbler, tell us, has Canada placed tariffs on the US in the past????
Why do you refuse to answer this simple question, #Gobbler? LMAO, you are exposed as a phony.
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hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?

why one who doesn't pass price increases to consumers by finding inefficiencies! And also ignores the fact that they can profit more from tariffs because their competitors have to charge more! That never happens with protectionist tariffs!
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hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?


why one who doesn't pass price increases to consumers by finding inefficiencies! And also ignores the fact that they can profit more from tariffs because their competitors have to charge more! That never happens with protectionist tariffs!

Yep, what I thought. Trolling! Good companies look out for their customers. And in return gain market share.

I am working in over 10 countries with clients looking at ways to gain market share due to their competitors passing on cost increases.

To me these are good companies!

Troll away. I know it is my mistake to even have a conversation with you.
hokiewolf
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?


why one who doesn't pass price increases to consumers by finding inefficiencies! And also ignores the fact that they can profit more from tariffs because their competitors have to charge more! That never happens with protectionist tariffs!

Yep, what I thought. Trolling! Good companies look out for their customers. And in return gain market share.

I am working in over 10 countries with clients looking at ways to gain market share due to their competitors passing on cost increases.

To me these are good companies!

Troll away. I know it is my mistake to even have a conversation with you.
Its worked for US Steel! Your strategy is great until they gain more market share. And then they will raise prices because they can.
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Civilized
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?


why one who doesn't pass price increases to consumers by finding inefficiencies! And also ignores the fact that they can profit more from tariffs because their competitors have to charge more! That never happens with protectionist tariffs!

Yep, what I thought. Trolling! Good companies look out for their customers. And in return gain market share.

I am working in over 10 countries with clients looking at ways to gain market share due to their competitors passing on cost increases.

To me these are good companies!

Troll away. I know it is my mistake to even have a conversation with you.


Question for you - are these companies broadly gaining market share while truly maintaining profit margins?
FlossyDFlynt
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels
Cthepack
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Civilized said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Whirlpool anticipates a 3% annual cost increase, while its competitors are expected to see cost increases ranging from 5% to 15% depending on their footprint, Bitzer said.

https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/whirlpool-q3-2025-earnings-tariff-appliance-domestic-manufacturing/804072/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue:%202025-10-29%20Manufacturing%20Dive%20%5Bissue:78300%5D&utm_term=Manufacturing%20Dive

In order for Whirlpool to be a good manufacturer, they're only going to raise their prices 3% next year, right?

What makes a good manufacturer?


why one who doesn't pass price increases to consumers by finding inefficiencies! And also ignores the fact that they can profit more from tariffs because their competitors have to charge more! That never happens with protectionist tariffs!

Yep, what I thought. Trolling! Good companies look out for their customers. And in return gain market share.

I am working in over 10 countries with clients looking at ways to gain market share due to their competitors passing on cost increases.

To me these are good companies!

Troll away. I know it is my mistake to even have a conversation with you.


Question for you - are these companies broadly gaining market share while truly maintaining profit margins?


Some growth in market share but still early and positioned very well and budgeting/forecasting for growth next year. I do not work for a company to maintain profit margins. I fail if I do not improve profit margin. I have not failed yet.
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

Everything I've read says it was a clean cr.

From Grok

Yes, the continuing resolution (CR) that the U.S. House of Representatives passed on October 29, 2025, was clean. It extended federal funding through November 21, 2025, at current spending levels to avert a government shutdown, without any major policy riders or additional spending provisions. This aligns with statements from House Republicans, who described it as a "responsible, clean resolution," and over 300 stakeholders, including business groups and industry alliances, who supported it as nonpartisan and focused solely on keeping the government operational. The bill, H.R. 5371 (Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2026), was sent to the Senate amid an ongoing shutdown that began October 1, 2025, after failed negotiations on full-year appropriations. A procedural vote in the Senate later that day failed 54-45, marking the 13th rejection, but the House version remained unamended and straightforward.

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jkpackfan said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

Everything I've read says it was a clean cr.

From Grok

Yes, the continuing resolution (CR) that the U.S. House of Representatives passed on October 29, 2025, was clean. It extended federal funding through November 21, 2025, at current spending levels to avert a government shutdown, without any major policy riders or additional spending provisions. This aligns with statements from House Republicans, who described it as a "responsible, clean resolution," and over 300 stakeholders, including business groups and industry alliances, who supported it as nonpartisan and focused solely on keeping the government operational. The bill, H.R. 5371 (Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2026), was sent to the Senate amid an ongoing shutdown that began October 1, 2025, after failed negotiations on full-year appropriations. A procedural vote in the Senate later that day failed 54-45, marking the 13th rejection, but the House version remained unamended and straightforward.



Completely off topic, but Id be very skeptical about anything you get from AI regarding news. A lot of them source info from less than ideal places (Reddit/Twitter/etc.) for such information and can easily spew out complete BS.

Doesnt help that I despise AI in its current form
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels


Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels


Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.
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jkpackfan said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

Everything I've read says it was a clean cr.


We can debate semantics likely to no avail but it's clear the central issue with the CR is the lack of inclusion of the ACA enhanced credits that are set to expire.

Not unimportantly, the bill also lacked the customary spending directives included in bills like this. Yes, it keeps the aggregate funding level the same but it's a really important and missing detail if you don't specfically address what programs are getting funded with that money, and in what amounts.

Passing the CR as written would allow for unilateral shifts in priorities and give even more unilateral executive control over federal spending rather than ensuring spending remains as explicitly intended by Congress.
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels


Wasn't it literally a single Dem?

So Dems didn't participate consequentially in its crafting and only one Dem voted for it.

That's not "bipartisan" by any traditional or reasonable measure.

How many Pubs were part of crafting Build Back Better? How many Pubs voted for it? Doesnt feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

I do agree that its not traditional and I do wish there was more cross party input on these things, but thats not the world we currently occupy.

Also, what the ask from the Dems here? To extend the subsidies for Obamacare? Good luck with that considering not a single Pub voted for the original bill or the subsidies in 2022.


Nobody is asking for it to "feel good."

Let's just not pretend it's bipartisan, and hide behind that talking point when trying to lay blame for why we're here, when it very clearly isn't.

And yes, we agree the hyper-partisanship of today's politics is colossally counterproductive.

The ask is to address the expiring subsidies and provide guardrails for spending so this Administration doesn't change spending priorities from those already established by Congress.

If you don't want to extend the subsidies, that's your prerogative but then what's the plan? Republicans are in the catbird seat and it's their job to do or at least lead the work. You want to delete the subsidies or delete Obamacare, fine, but you have to come up with a plan that benefits Americans to put in its place. On health care Republicans have been all lazy bluster for 15 years. They talk a big game but haven't figured out a plan better than the ACA yet or else they would have ended it in Trump's first term.

Do the work and come up with a workable plan.

You know, like my girl MTG says.

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I love that anybody thinks the No Kings protest was taken seriously by anyone with a lick of sense. What an embarrassing time to be a Dem.

jkpackfan
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FlossyDFlynt said:

jkpackfan said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Preach, Marge.



You hated her, but now like her…before hating her soon again?


Y'all focus too much on hating or loving people, including on here, instead of just discussing their ideas or actions.

I disagreed strongly with almost everything MTG historically said or stood for.

And in recent weeks she is spitting facts in ways that I very much agree with on health care, tariffs, Argentina, and other topics.

I'm confident she'll continue to have lots of stances I disagree with too. Both can obviously be true. I hope she continues applying pressure from within for more pragmatic stances moving forward.



This should be you cue, #Sieve!



Both parties are obviously culpable in the shutdown. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere.

The shutdown is a problem. Health care premiums doubling or worse is an even bigger problem.

Both sides need to come to the table ready to work and yes, even compromise, to find sensible solutions. That's literally their only job. It's why they were elected and are in Washington.

Yea, not buying this. The house passed a clean, bipartisan CR. Every Republican in the Senate is voting for it. The Dems have come out and said this is the only leverage they have, which is ironic considering they wanted to kill the filibuster not too long ago.

The current shutdown is completely on the Democrats, they just dont want to own it because they know how bad it looks for them.


What in the world other than Mike Johnson's bluster makes you think the CR was either "bipartisan" or "clean?"

Bipartisan because both parties had people cross party lines (although it wasnt many to be fair) and it maintains funding at current levels

Everything I've read says it was a clean cr.

From Grok

Yes, the continuing resolution (CR) that the U.S. House of Representatives passed on October 29, 2025, was clean. It extended federal funding through November 21, 2025, at current spending levels to avert a government shutdown, without any major policy riders or additional spending provisions. This aligns with statements from House Republicans, who described it as a "responsible, clean resolution," and over 300 stakeholders, including business groups and industry alliances, who supported it as nonpartisan and focused solely on keeping the government operational. The bill, H.R. 5371 (Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2026), was sent to the Senate amid an ongoing shutdown that began October 1, 2025, after failed negotiations on full-year appropriations. A procedural vote in the Senate later that day failed 54-45, marking the 13th rejection, but the House version remained unamended and straightforward.



Completely off topic, but Id be very skeptical about anything you get from AI regarding news. A lot of them source info from less than ideal places (Reddit/Twitter/etc.) for such information and can easily spew out complete BS.

Doesnt help that I despise AI in its current form

Ok here are a couple of others.

https://www.naco.org/news/house-passes-clean-continuing-resolution-fund-government-through-november-21

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5577587-democrats-vote-shutdown-union/




jkpackfan
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packgrad said:

I love that anybody thinks the No Kings protest was taken seriously by anyone with a lick of sense. What an embarrassing time to be a Dem.



Lmfao I love it. I hope someone gets a picture of him wearing it.
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