Gulfstream4 said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:
That nuclear deal was NOT stopping Iran from building their program. It was worthless. Only a dip$#*+ such as yourself would believe anything Iran says. Even if we didn't obliterate their program we sure as hell set them back a decade. That's better than doing nothing at all, right? On top of all that Iran is responsible either directly or indirectly for the deaths of nearly 2000 Americans since the early 80's. It's about time we had a President do something.
And we didn't give them notice to move anything. They were forced to move stuff because of the threat of attack. You do understand the difference? They took it out of the underground bunker for all the satellites to see. We know exactly what they moved and where it is. If it's of any importance it too will be destroyed, probably by the Israelis.
These strikes aren't stopping Iran from building their program long-term either. All the reports coming out are describing the success of the bombing as being limited, and it doesn't address them simply repairing and restarting the program immediately.
As far as the 2015 treaty being "worthless," based on what? Can you provide any reputable non-partisan or other sources that describe it as anything close to worthless?Quote:
Yes, prior to its U.S. withdrawal in 2018, the 2015 Iran nuclear dealformally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)was widely regarded as a qualified success by most nonpartisan nuclear experts and the international community. Here's a breakdown:
Key Successes (Before U.S. Withdrawal):
1. Iran's nuclear program was significantly curtailed:
Iran dismantled two-thirds of its centrifuges.
Shipped out 97% of its enriched uranium stockpile.
Limited uranium enrichment to 3.67% (well below weapons-grade).
Reconfigured the Arak heavy-water reactor to prevent weapons-grade plutonium production.
2. Inspections and verification:
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.
Multiple IAEA reports confirmed Iran's compliance with the deal until at least 2018.
3. Delayed Iran's breakout time:
The time it would take for Iran to produce enough fissile material for one nuclear bomb increased from a few months to at least a year.
4. Global diplomatic alignment:
The deal was backed by the U.S., UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the EUan unusual display of international unity.
Limitations and Criticism:
Sunset clauses: Some nuclear restrictions were set to expire after 1015 years.
Non-nuclear issues: The JCPOA did not address Iran's missile program, regional militancy, or human rights abuses, which critics (especially in the U.S. and Israel) found unacceptable.
Economic relief vs. behavior change: Iran received sanctions relief, but critics argued this money helped fund proxy groups in Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen.
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Bottom Line:
Yes, the deal achieved its primary goal: blocking Iran's pathways to a nuclear weapon in the short-to-medium term, with strong verification mechanisms. However, it was always a limited agreement, focused narrowly on the nuclear issue, and did not attempt to solve all aspects of Iran's regional behavior or long-term ambitions.
Most experts agree that Iran was in compliance before President Trump withdrew the U.S. in 2018, after which Iran gradually resumed nuclear activities beyond JCPOA limits.
You just can't give the guy any credit. I got it. These strikes were better than doing nothing at all. If it set them any number of years and they have to start construction again and spending the billions that Obama sent them, I consider that a good thing. We can bomb it again when it's near completion.
My reputable sources is the fact Iran has been trying for 30 or more years and I'm not so naive as to believe a piece of paper is going to stop them.
Do you care that Iran has sponsored terrorism around the world since the 80's ? That alone deserves a beat down.
From the IAEA.
