Trump is threatening 50% tariffs on the EU saying they are difficult to deal with.
This is EXACTLY what Brits have been saying and why we wanted Brexit. The EU is a far left, near communist, organisation of unelected authoritarian bureaucrats.
They listen to no one. They see…

— DoryGenderAtheist 🦕🦖 (@NewFifeRight14) May 23, 2025

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You have demonstrated time and time again you know nothing about manufacturing.

But besides that do tell us all when this cast system will be in place. Since you know exactly what will happen.

You are sounding more and more like the conspiracy guys on here.

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Please, enlighten me on how manufacturing works.

It will happen when you move more manufacturing to the US, which will cause production for current manufacturing to fall because domestic resources are finite. If you reshore manufacturing of some goods and services, you'll produce less of other goods and services. Combine that will all the costs to move that manufacturing to the US without any of the resources currently here, will increase prices for those goods.

This is especially an issue when we're also actively ejecting those resources from the country, particularly the law-abiding folks. There is zero appetite to provide a system of LEGAL means to assimilate into the US and into the manufacturing workforce.

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Oh manufacturing is a zero sum game then. I noticed the lack of understanding when you were stating they are low cost low tech jobs.

Now I am not sure you even understand the consept of gdp.

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ETA: just this week I worked with a recently PE purchased manufacturing site ( I wanted smappy to know it was PE work). We increased the output of one of their lines by 60% with the same resources. The point is they can run a higher demand with no impact to your theory that they need to hire more. They do not.
The capitalist side of me suggests I just created more capacity which means I can produce more - supply- so with more supply prices may actually reduce not increase. Old supply and demand model. So these are reasons I say you know nothing about manufacturing.

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thank you for your example, but it doesn't refute my points at all.

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Do explain how you say you have finite labor so increasing a companies demand (bringing things from overseas to the US) you say they need to hire more people. That is what you said right? I am saying they do not. So you can increase demand but do not have to increase your resources. Meaning it is not a zero sum (labor) system as you said it was.

It is improving the 3rd variable I keep telling you, civ, smappy about.

So my example shows you that labour is not a zero sum system.

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I don't understand how someone can defend this stuff.

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Maybe, because almost everything he's doing is working...

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Gee, I wonder what Werewolf is trying to distract us from today?

Oh that's right! Sorry Western NC, you just got DOGED. Good luck!

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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FBI agents raided a prominent lobbying firm tied to the military-industrial complex this morning, uncovering alleged links to a Panama-based shell company connected to eight Democratic members of Congress.

Thoughts? Should I arrest all of them? pic.twitter.com/kLZeBg6PKI

— Tulsi Gabbard Intelligence Report (@TulsiGabbardDNI) May 23, 2025

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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hokiewolf said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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1. No one ever "wins" trade wars. We all just pay more for stuff

2. I don't believe that trade deficits are an issue.much like my trade deficit with my local grocery store isn't an issue either.

Let's look at the "success" - UK/US trade. The trade deal struck is worse than before Trump raised tariffs. I guess that's winning.

To Cthepack, I agree, we should be open to more trade, and less tariffs, much like Argentina has done over the last two years. Guess what happened, they removed protectionist tariffs and my goodness, their economy took off. How about that?

Additionally, why is the US tariffing countries that have cut their tariffs to zero? Isn't that the goal? If only there was an actual policy….

We could also repeal the Jones Act but why do we want to build ships anyway?

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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1. No one ever "wins" trade wars. We all just pay more for stuff

2. I don't believe that trade deficits are an issue.much like my trade deficit with my local grocery store isn't an issue either.

Let's look at the "success" - UK/US trade. The trade deal struck is worse than before Trump raised tariffs. I guess that's winning.

To Cthepack, I agree, we should be open to more trade, and less tariffs, much like Argentina has done over the last two years. Guess what happened, they removed protectionist tariffs and my goodness, their economy took off. How about that?

Additionally, why is the US tariffing countries that have cut their tariffs to zero? Isn't that the goal? If only there was an actual policy….

We could also repeal the Jones Act but why do we want to build ships anyway?

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Because we are the largest economy and can do this! There are countries that want our stuff so they do not want to have tariffs. At the same time they know they want to sell to the world's largest economy. Again exactly my point that people do not understand the power we have.

Flex your muscle, show we are serious then develop a policy. It is just that simple. And we are the only country in the world that can do this.

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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1. No one ever "wins" trade wars. We all just pay more for stuff

2. I don't believe that trade deficits are an issue.much like my trade deficit with my local grocery store isn't an issue either.

Let's look at the "success" - UK/US trade. The trade deal struck is worse than before Trump raised tariffs. I guess that's winning.

To Cthepack, I agree, we should be open to more trade, and less tariffs, much like Argentina has done over the last two years. Guess what happened, they removed protectionist tariffs and my goodness, their economy took off. How about that?

Additionally, why is the US tariffing countries that have cut their tariffs to zero? Isn't that the goal? If only there was an actual policy….

We could also repeal the Jones Act but why do we want to build ships anyway?

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Because we are the largest economy and can do this! There are countries that want our stuff so they do not want to have tariffs. At the same time they know they want to sell to the world's largest economy. Again exactly my point that people do not understand the power we have.

Flex your muscle, show we are serious then develop a policy. It is just that simple. And we are the only country in the world that can do this.

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lol ok. All that muscle flexing! We should do it because we can is a great policy statement

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I get it, you, civ, smappy all say nothing Trump does can be good. It must be bad to try to flex muscle without policy to show we are serious. Got to have policy first I guess? I am just glad we are trying something in favor of the US. If it does not work, fail fast. Try something new. Again we are the only country in the world that can do this.

But Trump is bad and nothing he ever does is good! I get it.

And as I have said before, I did not vote for Trump. I am not a Trump supporter at all. But I am also not so obtuse to suggest everything he does is bad. I like the idea of trying things, economically, to drive diplomacy.

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

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Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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1. No one ever "wins" trade wars. We all just pay more for stuff

2. I don't believe that trade deficits are an issue.much like my trade deficit with my local grocery store isn't an issue either.

Let's look at the "success" - UK/US trade. The trade deal struck is worse than before Trump raised tariffs. I guess that's winning.

To Cthepack, I agree, we should be open to more trade, and less tariffs, much like Argentina has done over the last two years. Guess what happened, they removed protectionist tariffs and my goodness, their economy took off. How about that?

Additionally, why is the US tariffing countries that have cut their tariffs to zero? Isn't that the goal? If only there was an actual policy….

We could also repeal the Jones Act but why do we want to build ships anyway?

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Because we are the largest economy and can do this! There are countries that want our stuff so they do not want to have tariffs. At the same time they know they want to sell to the world's largest economy. Again exactly my point that people do not understand the power we have.

Flex your muscle, show we are serious then develop a policy. It is just that simple. And we are the only country in the world that can do this.

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lol ok. All that muscle flexing! We should do it because we can is a great policy statement

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I get it, you, civ, smappy all say nothing Trump does can be good. It must be bad to try to flex muscle without policy to show we are serious. Got to have policy first I guess? I am just glad we are trying something in favor of the US. If it does not work, fail fast. Try something new. Again we are the only country in the world that can do this.

But Trump is bad and nothing he ever does is good! I get it.

And as I have said before, I did not vote for Trump. I am not a Trump supporter at all. But I am also not so obtuse to suggest everything he does is bad. I like the idea of trying things, economically, to drive diplomacy.

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hokiewolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-effort-launched-onshore-manufacturing-key-supplies-never-before-made-usa

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this is what should be done BEFORE getting into a trade war. But hey, at least it's happening

---

Let's see how far you are willing to stick your neck out in writing:

1. What country (or countries if you decide to be obtuse) do you feel is currently winning said trade war (your description from your post above)?

2. Do you think Trump's policies and subsequent negotiations have made for a better trade playing field for the US over what we had when this started? (Y / N)

Thanks in advance.

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1. No one ever "wins" trade wars. We all just pay more for stuff

2. I don't believe that trade deficits are an issue.much like my trade deficit with my local grocery store isn't an issue either.

Let's look at the "success" - UK/US trade. The trade deal struck is worse than before Trump raised tariffs. I guess that's winning.

To Cthepack, I agree, we should be open to more trade, and less tariffs, much like Argentina has done over the last two years. Guess what happened, they removed protectionist tariffs and my goodness, their economy took off. How about that?

Additionally, why is the US tariffing countries that have cut their tariffs to zero? Isn't that the goal? If only there was an actual policy….

We could also repeal the Jones Act but why do we want to build ships anyway?

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Because we are the largest economy and can do this! There are countries that want our stuff so they do not want to have tariffs. At the same time they know they want to sell to the world's largest economy. Again exactly my point that people do not understand the power we have.

Flex your muscle, show we are serious then develop a policy. It is just that simple. And we are the only country in the world that can do this.

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lol ok. All that muscle flexing! We should do it because we can is a great policy statement

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Central industrial planning is the tits.

Here's the president of the U.S. telling a private company how it must make its products, on pain of seeing a massive, government-imposed increase in its input costs. I very rarely use the word "fascist," but this is unconstitutional, fascist nonsense. pic.twitter.com/h3Or89Feb5

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) May 23, 2025

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When tariffs were first imposed you went on and on about how this will impact the consumer due to price increases. I think you brought up buying a truck. Now you are complaining that Trump is doing everything he can to force the companies to eat the tariffs and you seem upset about that. Which is it?

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It's both. Obviously.

Trump is implementing bad policy and then trying to coerce businesses to not act rationally and in the best interests of their shareholders and business.

He's wrong on both accounts.

How about not implementing tariffs that every economist in the world that's not sucking from Trump's teat agrees are taxes on consumers, and then the President won't have to try to cajole and shame businesses into not increasing prices in accordance with their newly increased costs that got jacked up because of his tariffs?

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Every economist you say? So tell me what impact have they had? Inflation went down in the US, jobs went up. What has gone bad?

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Do you really think prices will go down as supplier prices go up? How does that work exactly?

It's why we're having this conversation; WalMart just announced that very thing and Trump told them they need to magically absorb their higher costs.

It's why Target is forecasting slower sales and lower profits.

If Trump backs off tariffs then yeah that will mitigate some of this but that's the whole point; if tariffs stay, supply chain pricing goes up and subsequently retail prices are absolutely going up; there's no other way for that to work.

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hokiewolf said:

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Appreciate it but I still disagree.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Appreciate it but I still disagree.

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You are not having a good day. Take the L and move on.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Cthepack said:

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Civilized said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Central industrial planning is the tits.

Here's the president of the U.S. telling a private company how it must make its products, on pain of seeing a massive, government-imposed increase in its input costs. I very rarely use the word "fascist," but this is unconstitutional, fascist nonsense. pic.twitter.com/h3Or89Feb5

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) May 23, 2025

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When tariffs were first imposed you went on and on about how this will impact the consumer due to price increases. I think you brought up buying a truck. Now you are complaining that Trump is doing everything he can to force the companies to eat the tariffs and you seem upset about that. Which is it?

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It's both. Obviously.

Trump is implementing bad policy and then trying to coerce businesses to not act rationally and in the best interests of their shareholders and business.

He's wrong on both accounts.

How about not implementing tariffs that every economist in the world that's not sucking from Trump's teat agrees are taxes on consumers, and then the President won't have to try to cajole and shame businesses into not increasing prices in accordance with their newly increased costs that got jacked up because of his tariffs?

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Every economist you say? So tell me what impact have they had? Inflation went down in the US, jobs went up. What has gone bad?

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Do you really think prices will go down as supplier prices go up? How does that work exactly?

It's why we're having this conversation; WalMart just announced that very thing and Trump told them they need to magically absorb their higher costs.

It's why Target is forecasting slower sales and lower profits.

If Trump backs off tariffs then yeah that will mitigate some of this but that's the whole point; if tariffs stay, supply chain pricing goes up and subsequently retail prices are absolutely going up; there's no other way for that to work.

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I don't remember your concern over high prices the last four years? In fact I remember you saying "it's worse in other countries" so just accept it.

What changed?

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Cthepack said:

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Civilized said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Central industrial planning is the tits.

Here's the president of the U.S. telling a private company how it must make its products, on pain of seeing a massive, government-imposed increase in its input costs. I very rarely use the word "fascist," but this is unconstitutional, fascist nonsense. pic.twitter.com/h3Or89Feb5

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) May 23, 2025

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When tariffs were first imposed you went on and on about how this will impact the consumer due to price increases. I think you brought up buying a truck. Now you are complaining that Trump is doing everything he can to force the companies to eat the tariffs and you seem upset about that. Which is it?

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It's both. Obviously.

Trump is implementing bad policy and then trying to coerce businesses to not act rationally and in the best interests of their shareholders and business.

He's wrong on both accounts.

How about not implementing tariffs that every economist in the world that's not sucking from Trump's teat agrees are taxes on consumers, and then the President won't have to try to cajole and shame businesses into not increasing prices in accordance with their newly increased costs that got jacked up because of his tariffs?

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Every economist you say? So tell me what impact have they had? Inflation went down in the US, jobs went up. What has gone bad?

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Do you really think prices will go down as supplier prices go up? How does that work exactly?

It's why we're having this conversation; WalMart just announced that very thing and Trump told them they need to magically absorb their higher costs.

It's why Target is forecasting slower sales and lower profits.

If Trump backs off tariffs then yeah that will mitigate some of this but that's the whole point; if tariffs stay, supply chain pricing goes up and subsequently retail prices are absolutely going up; there's no other way for that to work.

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I don't remember your concern over high prices the last four years? In fact I remember you saying "it's worse in other countries" so just accept it.

What changed?

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