THIS is what Trump and Team are eradicating. Our financial system years ago, was highjacked by globalists demons and it decimated and enslaved Americans. REAL CURRENCY, METALS BACKED IS HERE. ⏰ https://t.co/bRuMlzyeBq
— 🇺🇸🍩 JULIE DONUTS 🇺🇸🍩 (@Juliesnark1731) April 16, 2025
The Democratic Party Is Literally At War With The American People And They Are Not Even Trying To Hide It!
— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) April 17, 2025
RACHEL MORIN’S MOTHER JUST TORCHED SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN ON LIVE TV. 🚨
💔 Her daughter was brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant from El Salvador.
🖐️ She left… pic.twitter.com/JuJyehphuT
Quote:
The Democratic Party Is Literally At War With The American People And They Are Not Even Trying To Hide It!
RACHEL MORIN'S MOTHER JUST TORCHED SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLEN ON LIVE TV.
Her daughter was brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant from El Salvador.
She left behind five children.
And yet
Her own Senator never even acknowledged her name.
"Why does that person have more rights than my daughter?"
"You used MY tax dollars to fly across the world for a non-American while ignoring the family devastated at home."
WHAT THIS MEANS:
Our leaders are defending criminals before they defend their own citizens.
A grieving mother had to beg for justice while her Senator campaigned for someone with suspected MS-13 ties.
The people are watching and they've had ENOUGH.
To Rachel's mother: You are courageous.
To Senator Van Hollen: You should be ASHAMED.
One mother just said what millions are thinking.
And the nation is listening.
Look, I 100% agree with you. But the rule of law isnt going to win elections. Trump is committing economic seppuku in front of the entire world and the Democrats are hell bent on attacking him in the one area hes doing well according to polls. They are taking every single 80/20 issue and going with the 20%, which is why their numbers are at all time lows.hokiewolf said:
It's a winning strategy for the rule of law. It doesn't matter if this guy ate babies, if you are running for President on the basis that the previous Administration didn't follow immigration law, then you need to follow immigration law.
The process matters, how good or bad this guy is not relevant to the process. It's a distraction to deflect that the Trump Administration doesn't want to admit it screwed up. A 15 minute hearing and providing all the documents released yesterday would have made this a slam dunk. Instead they have chosen to make this a political gotcha.
FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
FlossyDFlynt said:Look, I 100% agree with you. But the rule of law isnt going to win elections. Trump is committing economic seppuku in front of the entire world and the Democrats are hell bent on attacking him in the one area hes doing well according to polls. They are taking every single 80/20 issue and going with the 20%, which is why their numbers are at all time lows.hokiewolf said:
It's a winning strategy for the rule of law. It doesn't matter if this guy ate babies, if you are running for President on the basis that the previous Administration didn't follow immigration law, then you need to follow immigration law.
The process matters, how good or bad this guy is not relevant to the process. It's a distraction to deflect that the Trump Administration doesn't want to admit it screwed up. A 15 minute hearing and providing all the documents released yesterday would have made this a slam dunk. Instead they have chosen to make this a political gotcha.
Eventually, Id like to get back to sanity. Unfortunately, I dont see it happening any time soon.
Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Cthepack said:Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Would this not go against the other countries due process?
So you think he should be extradited?Civilized said:Cthepack said:Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Would this not go against the other countries due process?
I haven't said anything about what Garcia has done or not done. His due process under our Constitution isn't contingent upon that.
How can the Trump administration get him? They can start by explaining the situation and asking for him back. The only reason he's there is that the administration is paying El Salvador millions for the privilege. Normally the payer has the leverage, not the payee.
But the administration has no desire to get him back. We can stop dancing around the "how can they..." issue. It hasn't come to the 'how' because they've made no effort to get him back.
They want him gone, his due process bedamned.
Cthepack said:So you think he should be extradited?Civilized said:Cthepack said:Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Would this not go against the other countries due process?
I haven't said anything about what Garcia has done or not done. His due process under our Constitution isn't contingent upon that.
How can the Trump administration get him? They can start by explaining the situation and asking for him back. The only reason he's there is that the administration is paying El Salvador millions for the privilege. Normally the payer has the leverage, not the payee.
But the administration has no desire to get him back. We can stop dancing around the "how can they..." issue. It hasn't come to the 'how' because they've made no effort to get him back.
They want him gone, his due process bedamned.
Did the leader of El Salvador say he will release him? I think I heard him say he will not. We do have nuclear weapons, should we threaten El Salvador with war?
A mistake was made, no one is denying that. You have brought up numerous times, due process. Do other countries not have due process, or can we just go after anyones citizens and their due process be damned?
Amazing all the things you know have happened.Civilized said:Cthepack said:So you think he should be extradited?Civilized said:Cthepack said:Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Would this not go against the other countries due process?
I haven't said anything about what Garcia has done or not done. His due process under our Constitution isn't contingent upon that.
How can the Trump administration get him? They can start by explaining the situation and asking for him back. The only reason he's there is that the administration is paying El Salvador millions for the privilege. Normally the payer has the leverage, not the payee.
But the administration has no desire to get him back. We can stop dancing around the "how can they..." issue. It hasn't come to the 'how' because they've made no effort to get him back.
They want him gone, his due process bedamned.
Did the leader of El Salvador say he will release him? I think I heard him say he will not. We do have nuclear weapons, should we threaten El Salvador with war?
A mistake was made, no one is denying that. You have brought up numerous times, due process. Do other countries not have due process, or can we just go after anyones citizens and their due process be damned?
LOL. The leader of El Salvador said he wouldn't return Garcia after Trump whispered in his ear to say that.
Nobody on the planet thinks that El Salvador's dictator is calling the shots here. But to the extent he is, Trump has zero issue threatening force towards Panama and Greenland; how is El Salvador any different?
The broader point is that there's been no good-faith effort to return Garcia. The impediment isn't El Salvador; it's that the administration is openly and proudly defying common sense and court orders.
They obviously have zero desire to return Garcia, and have made zero good-faith effort to do so.
Cthepack said:Amazing all the things you know have happened.Civilized said:Cthepack said:So you think he should be extradited?Civilized said:Cthepack said:Help me understand how a country can facilitate getting a citizen from another country. Extradition is one way, but you have said the guy had not done anything wrong. So again, how can a country get a citizen from another country when they are in their country.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Hes had his due process, hence why he had a deportation order. Ive already said they screwed up the process of deportation, but he had his day in court.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Congrats, youve actually made my point. There are so many other things they should be focusing on (tariffs would be my first choice). Instead, they are going to bat for a domestic abuser, likely gang member illegal immigrant who had an active deportation order that missed a procedural step on deporting him. I gotta tell you, I dont see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Going to bat for due process and not violating the Constitution.
You're just saying that violating the Constitution is copacetic because you think this guy's a bad guy and the ends justify the means. That's not a sound or prudent defense of violating the Constitution.
It's analogous to if we started denying fair trials to accused murderers. We can pick out situations where we don't think somebody is subjectively worthy of defense or a fair trial or Constitutional compliance, but then we all lose if we start violating those protections.
The Biden administration let in 20 million people without so much as a screening and now they are throwing a fit over bad paperwork. Good luck selling that messaging, let me know how it goes
Now you're just making stuff up.
The Biden Administration didn't let in 20 million people or even a sizeable fraction of that.
Officials have already acknowledged Garcia was wrongly deported.
And the highly conservative Supreme Court has indicated that the administration must facilitate his release, an order that the admin is openly defying.
All the arguments against due process here are nothing more than whataboutisms and squirrels.
Would this not go against the other countries due process?
I haven't said anything about what Garcia has done or not done. His due process under our Constitution isn't contingent upon that.
How can the Trump administration get him? They can start by explaining the situation and asking for him back. The only reason he's there is that the administration is paying El Salvador millions for the privilege. Normally the payer has the leverage, not the payee.
But the administration has no desire to get him back. We can stop dancing around the "how can they..." issue. It hasn't come to the 'how' because they've made no effort to get him back.
They want him gone, his due process bedamned.
Did the leader of El Salvador say he will release him? I think I heard him say he will not. We do have nuclear weapons, should we threaten El Salvador with war?
A mistake was made, no one is denying that. You have brought up numerous times, due process. Do other countries not have due process, or can we just go after anyones citizens and their due process be damned?
LOL. The leader of El Salvador said he wouldn't return Garcia after Trump whispered in his ear to say that.
Nobody on the planet thinks that El Salvador's dictator is calling the shots here. But to the extent he is, Trump has zero issue threatening force towards Panama and Greenland; how is El Salvador any different?
The broader point is that there's been no good-faith effort to return Garcia. The impediment isn't El Salvador; it's that the administration is openly and proudly defying common sense and court orders.
They obviously have zero desire to return Garcia, and have made zero good-faith effort to do so.
So you are saying that Trump should threaten El Salvador with force? Set precedence that if we want one of your citizens we will come and get it. Screw due process.......
🚨 CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATS JUST SHUT DOWN A DOZEN FAMILY FARMS — AND SLAPPED A GAG ORDER ON THE FARMERS 🚨
— Jim Ferguson (@JimFergusonUK) April 17, 2025
In Point Reyes, multi-generational ranchers are being forced off their land.
🐄 No cows.
🚫 No farming.
🚷 No voice.
They weren’t even allowed to tell the community what was… pic.twitter.com/Nqt28CiENr
Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Ok, lets play by this. Weve changed zero immigration laws since January of this year. Border crossings have basically stopped compared to the last four years. Why is that? Why didnt the last administration enforce the rules?Civilized said:Produce that evidence in court then.FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:WH @PressSec claims that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 gang member because:
— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) April 16, 2025
Kilmar Abrego Garcia “was wearing a sweatshirt with rolls of money covering ears, mouth and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of ‘hear no evil,… pic.twitter.com/T8z0Y4NkQV
"Evidence."Abrego-Garcia's lawyers insisted that there was no evidence that he was MS-13, that the cops were just making it all up, that he's just a Maryland father.
— Will Chamberlain (@willchamberlain) April 16, 2025
Turns out that he was hanging out with multiple confirmed MS-13 members when he was arrested, that he was wearing apparel… pic.twitter.com/hwrwDnJcGY
That's the whole point.
Why all the subterfuge?
Why the violations of due process?
Why the evasion of questions from the judiciary?
Why the inability to produce evidence when called upon to do so?
We don't adjudicate matters of justice on Twitter or via the White House press secretary. That's not due process.
This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
I cannot believe, of all the thing currently going on, that THIS is what the Democrats have chosen to hitch their wagon to. Trump is actively lighting himself on fire across the board and the only place hes above water on is immigration. And yet, the Democrats are going to bat for illegals. It boggles my mind
You can't believe that the administration running afoul of the Constitution in a way that denies people their Constitutional rights and then defying related court orders is worthy of attention by the opposition party and the rest of the country?
It's weird to think that most of the country wouldn't pay attention to that, especially when this President has a well-established penchant for affection for strongmen dictators that also like robbing people of liberty and defying their country's norms and institutions and Constitutions.
Trump being great at flooding the zone with **** so that people simply can't respond to all the chaos and craziness isn't a good defense for feigning surprise that other people acknowledge the importance of both important things (tariffs/the economy AND Constitutional rights to due process, etc.)
Rachel Morin's mother pleads for sanity from Democrats and the media: "Why should we allow violent criminals that have no conscience at all to murder our mothers, our sisters, our daughters? We are American citizens. We need to protect our families, our borders, our children." pic.twitter.com/ASTuFq8AAZ
— TheBlaze (@theblaze) April 16, 2025
I am in tears. After Patty Morin exposed Democrats and the Fake Mainstream Media they were all silent
— MAGA Voice (@MAGAVoice) April 16, 2025
Rachel Morin’s mom had no fear and exposed all of the Fake News Media to their face
GOD BLESS THIS MOTHER 🙏 pic.twitter.com/yGHBYmlAS7
These are the people that the Democrats want to protect and want them in your neighborhoods not to be deported https://t.co/yeTRQjVZax
— Accountability Warrior 💪💥💪 (@BeAccountable4u) April 11, 2025
A Tale Of Two Different Illegal Immigrant Cases
— upside down world (@upside_dow2032) April 16, 2025
And The Favorite Of The Left Wing Media and
Their Democratic Party Is The Illegal and Not
The American Young Wife and Mother Who Was
A Victim Of An Illegal Murderer(So called immigrant) The
https://t.co/TcjX55MUBj
Why are Dems so obsessed w/JUST Garcia & willing to die on this hill -- there's WAAAY more than what's being seen. The game played in DC: blackmail. Dems + MS13 = a long love -- 2 of them mysteriously murdered in Horry County, SC shortly after Seth Rich. Neither murder solved!! pic.twitter.com/BJ3zc2BAKn
— Kat.Mo1992! (@KatToTheMo) April 17, 2025
Now consider the story of Podesta/Clinton using MS13 to kill Seth Rich. The Dems are in bed with MS13 and their trafficking racket. It’s so obvious
— FrankCastleThePunisher (@FCastle2498951) April 17, 2025
They are losing their HIT MEN... https://t.co/Djd9AvOE2i pic.twitter.com/oCGYWM0Lj6
— Kimberly Auer (@Kimberlyrja8) April 10, 2025
BREAKING: Secretary Of State Marco Rubio Makes Major Move To End The Censorship-Industrial Complex / Protect & Champion Free Speech
— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) April 16, 2025
» LIVE X STREAM:https://t.co/cAcia7Kj0C pic.twitter.com/zJgKM55rfv
Tulsi Gabbard declassifies President Biden’s secret plan to eliminate the Second Amendment in the name of “counterterrorism.” https://t.co/hQIcklKq8E
— Diamond Mind Foundation (@dmindfoundation) April 17, 2025
Trade Wars exposed! 😂
— Patriot Kimm Schuman (@SchumanKimm) April 17, 2025
80% of Gucci - Made in China
60% of Prada -Made in China
Louis Vuitton - Made in China
Hermes - Made in China
Birken - MADE IN CHINA
Shipped to Europe to get rebranded, then a “made in France or Milan, Italy” gets sewn onto the goods. Retail for…
Justices will hear arguments on Trump's effort to end birthright citizenship
— Jerome Fane (@FaneJerome10983) April 17, 2025
It's a dizzying legal tightrope walk – attempting to redefine the very foundation of American citizenship through the courts. ⚖️ This case feels less like a legal challenge ...https://t.co/aK7gtH8wV9
“Autism destroys families," Kennedy said. "More importantly, it destroys our greatest resource, which is our children. These are children who should not be suffering like this.” https://t.co/S9qY5KeIMM
— KENS 5 (@KENS5) April 17, 2025
US Plans to Use Tariff Negotiations to Isolate China, WSJ Reports
— Breaking News of the Day (@Breakingne66541) April 16, 2025
U.S. President Donald Trump administration plans to use ongoing tariff negotiations to pressure U.S. trading partners to limit their dealings with China, The Wall Street Journal reported citing people with… pic.twitter.com/CdYNOuY6Y2
Can't wait for WW1 to end so we can get rid of this temporary income tax. https://t.co/ZnylmcYUtJ
— Derick Ditzler (@ddditzler) April 15, 2025
California Democrats continue to shut down family farms, now expanding to more counties
— Gabriela Iglesias🇺🇲 (@iglesias_gabby) April 18, 2025
“Now there's a fight going on in Point Reyes. They just shut down a dozen farms. They really doubled down on those farmers — They put a gag order on them so they couldn't even ask the… pic.twitter.com/OIcB3AJnRY
REPORT: A CRIMINAL referral has been filed against New York Attorney General Letitia James.
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) April 17, 2025
Oh, how the tables have turned.
Letitia James made a name for herself by accusing Donald Trump of real estate fraud. Now, she’s facing very similar accusations—and this time, she’s the… pic.twitter.com/EEoSbQVFkx
LMAO, you're such a #Democrat.hokiewolf said:
From that 4th circuit rouge Marxist Reagan appointee Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson:
"It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear."
"The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home? And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive's obligation to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" would lose its meaning."
https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/fourth-circuit-resoundingly-rejects-dojs-emergency-motion-for-stay-in-abrego-garcia/
Democrats and propagandists calls this MS13 gang Member, s#x trafficker, from El Salvador, just a dad from Maryland. Why do they defend “VIOLENT CRIMINALS.”
— Erin Hollingsworth (@erinhd76) April 15, 2025
They jailed parents at school board meetings, they went after tax payers making over 600, and people were locked up for… https://t.co/TSQXc2xy3C
