TRUMP 2024

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hokiewolf
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Oh no, Joe Rogan agrees with me

SmaptyWolf
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It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
hokiewolf
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SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
caryking
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SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
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^That was a beat down-LOL
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caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!

What's getting fixed, again?
IseWolf22
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Cthepack said:

IseWolf22 said:

Cthepack said:

Civilized said:

Cthepack said:

IseWolf22 said:

Civilized said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Huh


Yah, not true. I have done it in 6 months.
I think it's clear that Trump is saying that it will take two years…
I should read it more closely. You can move things much faster, if you want to.
you can change a supply chain and build a factory in 6 months? Sure.
No need to build factories. Lots of factory space exists. Supply chain easy. When you need to do it amazingly it can be done.

ETA: This is not hypothetical, I have done it.

The question isn't whether you or anyone else in niche, one-off or small-volume applications has done it.

The question is whether large numbers of American companies across industries will simultaneously do it in this environment of self-inflicted and significant economic chaos.

There's not a small amount of irony in your calculus to on-shore penciling because of economic stability that you were afforded then that companies now do not have the luxury of.

The huge problem right now is as much the opaqueness and uncertainty as it is the tariffs themselves. No one knows what the true purpose of the tariffs are, how long they'll be in place, whether they'll survive court challenges, or even if they remain in place for the duration of Trump's tenure, whether they'll persist into the next administration.

It's that incredible and unnecessary uncertainty that's ultimately most harmful; it's one thing to invest massive CapEx simply in the face of a slow or disadvantageous economic climate or recent company performance; quite another to do so when the foundation for that massive investment is built on sand that shifts with every impulsive or intrusive thought that enters the current President's head (and with every Loomer-esque "advisor" that wanders into his office and catches his ear).

Business needs certainty to be willing to make massive capital investments. Even beyond the terrible policy, the bungled rollout and subsequent mixed messages on the goal and permanence of the tariffs has trashed confidence of investors and the business class. The economic Uncertainty index is higher than COVID. That is bad

Everyone in the world needs as much certainty to make massive capital investments. Not an Econ major but I know I am not going to buy a house or a new car if my company may go out of business.

To add to the discussion less than 20% of US companies export product. Less than 20% import product. Take away even 70% of our GDP and we are still the world's largest economy.

I asked did you get your Econ degree from NC State?

What a massively understated and obtuse way to gauge economic impact of imports/exports.

The question isn't how many companies directly import or export goods; it's how many companies rely on other companies that do import or export for their sales, distribution, or manufacturing chains, and how many Americans in turn buy products produced or sold by an international supply/distribution/manufacturing chain.

And why does it matter where ISE got his Econ degree from? It probably wasn't DeVry but even if it was, who cares?
Obtuse? It is all fact! As I said I added it to the discussion. But as everyone else in these threads, you must attach!!

I did not ask where ISE got his degree. I asked did he get it from NC State. Different question.

Both my degrees are from NC State

Industrial Engineering and Economics
The smartest woman I know (my wife) also got her Econ degree at NC State.




It's a great program.
Werewolf
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Werewolf
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Sometimes you have to sift through everything to get to the 'real thing'.
caryking
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!

What's getting fixed, again?
Really?
Werewolf
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Stopping the train wreck now just mere months from going over the cliff. Painful but a huge win in the end.

SmaptyWolf
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caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
caryking
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Don't know whether this is true; however, this is a sentiment that people should read…

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0omLYFtj7tgNzpD4CuvntP4rcpv1vmv5cfwiMsNqf6wF6RuVn6ZepizL3uYtnSu2Ml&id=627798457
caryking
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SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
Those companies were the same Chinese companies building new factories in those country's. Why? They were escaping the Trump tariffs, prior to Biden. How do I know this? I deal with these tariffs and companies everyday.

Again, stop the BS!!

You continue to spew a bunch of non-sense as if you are the smartest person in the room. Self-deport yourself!! You're a disgrace!!
SmaptyWolf
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caryking said:

Don't know whether this is true; however, this is a sentiment that people should read…

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0omLYFtj7tgNzpD4CuvntP4rcpv1vmv5cfwiMsNqf6wF6RuVn6ZepizL3uYtnSu2Ml&id=627798457

He brings up a great point. Even if Trump did magically bring textile manufacturing back to America, those sweat shops are just slightly more fun than meat packing factories, and would be guaranteed to be 100% manned by illegal immigrants. Just like every other awful job that Americans don't want anymore.

So Trump's plan is to "bring back manufacturing" and double our illegal immigrant population? Lol, nice.
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SmaptyWolf
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caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
Those companies were the same Chinese companies building new factories in those country's. Why? They were escaping the Trump tariffs, prior to Biden. How do I know this? I deal with these tariffs and companies everyday.

Again, stop the BS!!

You continue to spew a bunch of non-sense as if you are the smartest person in the room. Self-deport yourself!! You're a disgrace!!
I see you're back to barely responding to anything and just sputtering.

So help me out... they had you running around insisting that Trump has a master plan to bring back American manufacturing, and now he just yanked the rug out from under you and said he'll drop all of the tariffs if everyone sufficiently grovels. Does being made a fool of bother you at all? Or that he just put the global economy through that for such a stupid goal?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/us/politics/trump-tariffs-aides-recession.html
caryking
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SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
Those companies were the same Chinese companies building new factories in those country's. Why? They were escaping the Trump tariffs, prior to Biden. How do I know this? I deal with these tariffs and companies everyday.

Again, stop the BS!!

You continue to spew a bunch of non-sense as if you are the smartest person in the room. Self-deport yourself!! You're a disgrace!!
I see you're back to barely responding to anything and just sputtering.

So help me out... they had you running around insisting that Trump has a master plan to bring back American manufacturing, and now he just yanked the rug out from under you and said he'll drop all of the tariffs if everyone sufficiently grovels. Does being made a fool of bother you at all? Or that he just put the global economy through that for such a stupid goal?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/us/politics/trump-tariffs-aides-recession.html
Your business acumen is showing. I'm confident you've never paid any attention to post I've made. Either 1) go get a job where you deal with manufacturing or 2) shut and go read all my post to get context on what I've said.

In the meantime, your drivel is no different than BRad. Do us all a favor and self deport from the boards…
Werewolf
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These tariffs are all about China and the trade imbalance. When the dust settles it will be China and possibly the EU and a few others that will resist. The 2020 election fraud, as an Act of War, will further draw a distinct line between the US and China. The 2020 election fraud metadata and whistleblowers will soon be brought forward and Trump will then follow-up with an EO that requires all federal elections be conducted with paper ballots, photo ID and small precincts, sometime in late summer or early fall. This EO will have a CIC cap on Trump too; count on it.
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Werewolf said:


Vietnam and Cambodia are essentially China. They have allowed, which I'm ok with, Chinese owned companies to build manufacturing facilities in their country's. The raw materials are still coming out of China; however, the final assembly is being done in these countries to avoid the previous high tariffs in China.

In fact, this week, the owner (Chinese) of a company we do business with will be in town to discuss these ever changing political decisions. He knows he we are counter-sourcing our products in lower tariff countries and he wants to keep the business. We will see what he has to offer…

As I have said numerous times, the raw materials, for our products are not, and can not, be manufactured in the States.

Now, Hokie, I will say the following: I believe this administration needs to lay out what an end-game will look like. What industries do they think are best manufactured in the States and which industries are ok, in other countries. Basically, which industries have a vital national interest by being manufactured here…
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Werewolf said:

Sometimes you have to sift through everything to get to the 'real thing'.

Hey, if he keeps making stocks cheaper, I'm gonna have to buy in at some point. I've waited patiently on the sidelines for months, ready to put cash to work. Soon…..soon….
Werewolf
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As of Jan 26, my 401k is 90% gold....which is looking good right now. That other 10%, not so much. I'm with you on that.
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caryking said:

Werewolf said:


Vietnam and Cambodia are essentially China. They have allowed, which I'm ok with, Chinese owned companies to build manufacturing facilities in their country's. The raw materials are still coming out of China; however, the final assembly is being done in these countries to avoid the previous high tariffs in China.

In fact, this week, the owner (Chinese) of a company we do business with will be in town to discuss these ever changing political decisions. He knows he we are counter-sourcing our products in lower tariff countries and he wants to keep the business. We will see what he has to offer…

As I have said numerous times, the raw materials, for our products are not, and can not, be manufactured in the States.

Now, Hokie, I will say the following: I believe this administration needs to lay out what an end-game will look like. What industries do they think are best manufactured in the States and which industries are ok, in other countries. Basically, which industries have a vital national interest by being manufactured here…
if this is all about China why are we tariffing the entire world at extreme levels?
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

Werewolf said:


Vietnam and Cambodia are essentially China. They have allowed, which I'm ok with, Chinese owned companies to build manufacturing facilities in their country's. The raw materials are still coming out of China; however, the final assembly is being done in these countries to avoid the previous high tariffs in China.

In fact, this week, the owner (Chinese) of a company we do business with will be in town to discuss these ever changing political decisions. He knows he we are counter-sourcing our products in lower tariff countries and he wants to keep the business. We will see what he has to offer…

As I have said numerous times, the raw materials, for our products are not, and can not, be manufactured in the States.

Now, Hokie, I will say the following: I believe this administration needs to lay out what an end-game will look like. What industries do they think are best manufactured in the States and which industries are ok, in other countries. Basically, which industries have a vital national interest by being manufactured here…
if this is all about China why are we tariffing the entire world at extreme levels?
I didn't say that it was all about China. What I said was that Countries we buy from, we are dealing with the same factories that we used to buy from when they were in China. Those companies have diversified into other countries, including Myanmar, Indonesia, Cambodia, Viestnam, and other Countries, running from the China tariffs.

These companies set up shop, in these other countries fairly quick. They don't want to lose the business. Trump has stated this many times. He knows what's going on and he wants to fix this for the trade imbalance and the American workers.

Now, as I said above, I don't know whether certain categories of products Stitch sells is of vital national interest. We gave golf bags, currently in Indonesia, Travel bags, currently in multiple countries, not China (China companies operating in adjacent countries), and apparel, currently in Peru and adjacent China companies.

Personally, I think apparel is going to be one of those sectors that will be deemed vital. The biggest problem in the US, with apparel is the performance materials (non cotton) has no manufacturing in the US. Regulation prohibit this as they are petroleum based. Cotton, well we have a massive manufacturing facility, right here in NC; however, when it comes to Polos, people want the performance materials, not cotton.

So, the end in mind will be very important for companies to start their planning, long term. Don't get hung up on the short term, as it will be dicey for most people. That said, the stock market is going to fluctuate when massive change is happening.

One final note… Trade with other countries represent what… roughly 15% of our GDP? Help me here as i may be missing this one…
Werewolf
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

Werewolf said:


Vietnam and Cambodia are essentially China. They have allowed, which I'm ok with, Chinese owned companies to build manufacturing facilities in their country's. The raw materials are still coming out of China; however, the final assembly is being done in these countries to avoid the previous high tariffs in China.

In fact, this week, the owner (Chinese) of a company we do business with will be in town to discuss these ever changing political decisions. He knows he we are counter-sourcing our products in lower tariff countries and he wants to keep the business. We will see what he has to offer…

As I have said numerous times, the raw materials, for our products are not, and can not, be manufactured in the States.

Now, Hokie, I will say the following: I believe this administration needs to lay out what an end-game will look like. What industries do they think are best manufactured in the States and which industries are ok, in other countries. Basically, which industries have a vital national interest by being manufactured here…
if this is all about China why are we tariffing the entire world at extreme levels?
It is my contention that much of this effort ties to the massive wealth transfer associated with China. The underlying contentious nature of the relationship will ramp up as other issues come to light.
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Our nation is close to default on the national debt...but no one seems to care about that.

https://instagr.am/p/DIJi38aO-Wm
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
Those companies were the same Chinese companies building new factories in those country's. Why? They were escaping the Trump tariffs, prior to Biden. How do I know this? I deal with these tariffs and companies everyday.

Again, stop the BS!!

You continue to spew a bunch of non-sense as if you are the smartest person in the room. Self-deport yourself!! You're a disgrace!!
I see you're back to barely responding to anything and just sputtering.

So help me out... they had you running around insisting that Trump has a master plan to bring back American manufacturing, and now he just yanked the rug out from under you and said he'll drop all of the tariffs if everyone sufficiently grovels. Does being made a fool of bother you at all? Or that he just put the global economy through that for such a stupid goal?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/us/politics/trump-tariffs-aides-recession.html
Your business acumen is showing. I'm confident you've never paid any attention to post I've made. Either 1) go get a job where you deal with manufacturing or 2) shut and go read all my post to get context on what I've said.

In the meantime, your drivel is no different than BRad. Do us all a favor and self deport from the boards…
Wait, so you're saying you haven't been insisting this entire time that Trump is doing this to bring manufacturing back to America? Seems like you just repeated it yet again... except now you've downgraded it to "national interest" manufacturing. Didn't you see Were's latest posts? Sorry man, the echo chamber has moved on, now the correct talking point is trade deficits. It's all about trade deficits. Which are totally a national emergency.

Considering that you're the one that spews non-stop dorm room radical drivel about dismantling the country, maybe YOU are the one who should do us all a favor and self-deport. I'm sure Were has a nice double-wide on the outskirts of Moscow where you could crash.
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Color revolution or orange revolution brought home to the United States.

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Food for thought.
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Which stocks is Marjorie Taylor Greene trading
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Regarding the stock market....

Stock markets are one of the world's greatest scams, pyramid schemes, ponzi schemes...or whatever other terminology you want to use. It used to be more popularly termed financial "speculation". It's akin to "gambling", to see if the prices of those companies/goods will go up or down. But it's worse than a fair game of "gambling". It's rigged gambling, where the "elites" and "insiders" are able to manipulate the prices of nearly everything (via fear-mongering "news" reports, manipulation of currency prices, and many other means), deliberately creating "panics" and then having insider knowledge of the optimal timing to buy and sell, are able to make billions/trillions in profits in just a few days.

The elites prefer and deliberately engineer volatility of the stock market, with wild swings up and down. That's how they are able to make billions/trillions in profits in a very short period of time. And who loses money in the engineered swings up and down, allowing the elites and insiders to make these profits? The non-insiders, marks, and chumps who are manipulated to sell low and buy high.

The stock market is not a true measure of the value of companies or goods, or the state of the true economy on the "street level" as it affects the average working person. It's just a playground of the elite to engage in a financial speculation/gambling, and swindle the masses out of their money and make obscene profits for themselves.

I don't have a 401k or any investments in the stock market. I don't care if it crashes to zero.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

It's always good to step away from these conversations for minute and play everyone's favorite game: Are You An Economics Genius Or A Partisan Hack?

Imagine 3 years ago Biden, unilaterally without congress's input, pulled these exact tariffs out of his butt, cratering the stock market and leading every reputable economist on Earth to predict skyrocketing prices and economic calamity soon.

What are you the odds that Fox News, and by extension you, would be arguing that this is actually a good thing?

Let's get real.
If they are egregious, why didn't he remove the Tariffs that were there? China, and other countries had significant tariffs put on them by the first Trump term.

Do you know how I know? Because, our company had to deal with them back then.

So, stop the BS talk. Biden didn't do anything to fix tariffs, Trump tax cuts, and anything that worked. No, he just undid Trump policies that kept illegals out. You see what happened when someone wants to fix stuff, they get it done.

Smapty, you're a partisan hack! Do us all a favor… self deport yourself from the boards. You're a disgrace!
Lol, it's comical that you think that's some kind of take down.

I'm actually fine with very targeted tariffs if there's a rational goal. Biden dropped Trumps stupid tariffs and kept the ones on China... in fact he put the screws to China even harder all through his administration... because after the pandemic supply chain train wreck and also how belligerent China was becoming militarily, he saw our manufacturing over-concentration as a national security risk. As a result many companies diversified to Vietnam, India, wherever else. Good!

That isn't in the same universe as putting brain-dead tariffs on everyone (except Russia, because of course), hitting our allies especially hard, with the stated goal of who the hell knows... bringing back manufacturing? Just kidding, now he's just holding out for renegotiating our trade deficits.. which is a "problem" he sells to rubes like you that doesn't actually exist for anyone who comprehends strong dollars and all sorts of other hard economics stuff.

But regardless... the original point is obviously true. If Biden was doing this you'd be losing you're f'ing mind, insisting that he was a senile lunatic, etc. Because of course the news you watch would be wall to wall Armageddon.
Those companies were the same Chinese companies building new factories in those country's. Why? They were escaping the Trump tariffs, prior to Biden. How do I know this? I deal with these tariffs and companies everyday.

Again, stop the BS!!

You continue to spew a bunch of non-sense as if you are the smartest person in the room. Self-deport yourself!! You're a disgrace!!
I see you're back to barely responding to anything and just sputtering.

So help me out... they had you running around insisting that Trump has a master plan to bring back American manufacturing, and now he just yanked the rug out from under you and said he'll drop all of the tariffs if everyone sufficiently grovels. Does being made a fool of bother you at all? Or that he just put the global economy through that for such a stupid goal?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/us/politics/trump-tariffs-aides-recession.html
Your business acumen is showing. I'm confident you've never paid any attention to post I've made. Either 1) go get a job where you deal with manufacturing or 2) shut and go read all my post to get context on what I've said.

In the meantime, your drivel is no different than BRad. Do us all a favor and self deport from the boards…
Wait, so you're saying you haven't been insisting this entire time that Trump is doing this to bring manufacturing back to America? Seems like you just repeated it yet again... except now you've downgraded it to "national interest" manufacturing. Didn't you see Were's latest posts? Sorry man, the echo chamber has moved on, now the correct talking point is trade deficits. It's all about trade deficits. Which are totally a national emergency.

Considering that you're the one that spews non-stop dorm room radical drivel about dismantling the country, maybe YOU are the one who should do us all a favor and self-deport. I'm sure Were has a nice double-wide on the outskirts of Moscow where you could crash.


Damn man!!! Can two things be true at the same time. I have said repeatedly that Trump wants US manufacturing. I agree with him.

So, could it be that pharmaceutical manufacturing be deemed of national interest? I think so! Could it be that chip manufacturing be of national interest? I think so!

I don't know man…. You really appear to be argumentative for augmentatives sake.

Being that you appear to really like to hear yourself talk, take a break, ask a question or two (without being condescending) and see if we can understand each other…. Is that possible?
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So many different changes on the why, I guess they have a plan they don't want anyone to know about, including themselves

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