I know that. I had teammates back in high school that complained because I was going back out on the mound with only 4 days rest and then I had guys that said I took too many shots in hoops. Of course, they didn't get to play as much.caryking said:Were, you and I are on the same team…Werewolf said:You need some floor time, I'm all about you taking shots!caryking said:Is it meaningful? Or, is it diatribe?Werewolf said:
^ post again, please Cary!!
Teammates......I've had some like you and I've had some good ones too. :-)
look at I-85 from Burlington to Greensboro and see all of the warehouses and other businesses that have come to that part of the State after textiles closed. Why we think low wage manufacturing jobs are better than higher earning services jobs is beyond me.caryking said:Go ask the people living in cities that have lost manufacturing. Hell, just go down I85 from Burlington to Greensboro and look at the factories shut down doing textiles.hokiewolf said:
MAGA and progressives are the same kind of populists.This is indistinguishable from liberal arguments on climate change
— John Hasson (@SonofHas) April 3, 2025
“Just lower your standard of living, you selfish person” https://t.co/EqxH37ruEZ
I mean heck, NC State is a large textiles school and we have offshored dang near all that manufacturing. I guess we just teach supply chain in the globalist world view...
I sometimes times hear liberals talk about how good the economy was in the Clinton years. This man the former speaker Newt Gingrich should get most of the credit. He held Clintons feet to the fire and every single policy that Clinton made that was a success was taken from Newt. https://t.co/TfaZfZDIKp
— Hawk (@asvelasquez3) April 3, 2025
Do you seee any correlation between the GDP changes and and debt changes?hokiewolf said:look at I-85 from Burlington to Greensboro and see all of the warehouses and other businesses that have come to that part of the State after textiles closed. Why we think low wage manufacturing jobs are better than higher earning services jobs is beyond me.caryking said:Go ask the people living in cities that have lost manufacturing. Hell, just go down I85 from Burlington to Greensboro and look at the factories shut down doing textiles.hokiewolf said:
MAGA and progressives are the same kind of populists.This is indistinguishable from liberal arguments on climate change
— John Hasson (@SonofHas) April 3, 2025
“Just lower your standard of living, you selfish person” https://t.co/EqxH37ruEZ
I mean heck, NC State is a large textiles school and we have offshored dang near all that manufacturing. I guess we just teach supply chain in the globalist world view...
But that's beside the point. The tariffs aren't even being applied for that specific purpose. I ask you the same question that I asked Were. Why do you want Michigans economy for the rest of the US?
I've seen people here complain about people from the NE moving here and then applying their rules and regulations to NC. ITS THE SAME THING. Centralized industrial planning doesn't work. The free market does.
Go look at the GDP since NAFTA. Looks pretty damn good year over year.
Ok, Were… that's funny…Werewolf said:
Nobody wants to take the shot. So here goes, this looks like a good ball!!
#Cary, you gotta believe, you gotta be willing to put it up. Gotta get open, buddy.
I'm from a small town in western nc and it was absolutely decimated when furniture and textiles went to China. Never recovered and now it's meth/fentanyl central.TheStorm said:He didn't have to restart his career 20 years ago like I did because all our Textile jobs went to China either... back then we didn't have time to whine about it like he does, we just had to put on our big boy pants and start doing something different. Sure would have loved to retire in the field that my degree was in, just like my father did before me, but that wasn't an option unfortunately. Somehow, I've managed to survive just fine - even if it wasn't easy...Werewolf said:You've only known 20 yrs of adult life. You've resided in a globalist world. You have no recollection of our manufacturing base folding in the 90's and even in the 80's. Have you ever been to the remnants of a what was a thriving Midwest town? Do we need to name there here? Detroit auto makers and Steel production towns? I remember all this wondering what the hell are we doing? It's a slippery slope for America's middle-class worker and there is only one way and that's down. Some of this is critical to our national security and in time of war or global disturbance we need to be able to produce those products essential to our national security and well-being. I stand ready to endure the pushback from China and others. Short-term pain for long-term gain, just like in athletics. Let's build a stronger more durable athlete here on our own team.hokiewolf said:see graph posted above. The US manufactures a lot of stuff. What industrial infrastructure is decaying? Please name me specifically what is decaying. I want to know.Werewolf said:Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.GuerrillaPack said:If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?Werewolf said:
RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025
Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa
durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Check back with me next year about this time and let's compare notes.
EDIT: Here ya go, I googled Youngstown Ohio 1980s.Hampton Institute describes Youngstown as losing manufacturing jobs when its steel mills began closing in the 1980s. Between 2000 & 2010, the population of Youngstown dropped from 82,000 to 66,000, & the state of Ohio lost 402,000 manufacturing jobs (BEA).https://t.co/g3QylhBpsh
— Sabe Pen (@CitiBE) May 12, 2022
That's why I don't have much empathy for the crybaby routine...
IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
How could I? They were far, far worse. Where to start?Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:It's easier to take this view if one can completely forget what the previous administration was like.Civilized said:Whoever came up with these supposed tariff rates is like Kramer from Seinfeld when he pretended to work at that job "in business" pic.twitter.com/Zjduq9dFEZ
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) April 3, 2025
LOL. You can't make this stuff up. It's like the DOGE tweens are running the show.
This administration is such an unserious bunch.
Remind me how the previous administration's actions were even remotely similar.
What did the previous administration do that was so profoundly and unnecessarily adversarial with every other major economy in the world, that also was roundly predicted to hurt markets, stagnate wages, slow GDP growth, increase unemployment, increase inflation, and throw our economy into a recession?
Pelosi 🤝 Trump
— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) April 3, 2025
Sowell: 👀👀👀 https://t.co/tqpKFw4tfl
Tonight I can report that the FBI and @TheJusticeDept have arrested and charged yet another high-ranking member of MS-13, this time in New York.
— FBI Director Kash Patel (@FBIDirectorKash) April 2, 2025
The individual is Joel Vargas-Escobar — someone we believe to be responsible for a racketeering conspiracy that involved 11 murders.…
OK, I'll bite...Oldsouljer said:How could I? They were far, far worse. Where to start?Civilized said:Oldsouljer said:It's easier to take this view if one can completely forget what the previous administration was like.Civilized said:Whoever came up with these supposed tariff rates is like Kramer from Seinfeld when he pretended to work at that job "in business" pic.twitter.com/Zjduq9dFEZ
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) April 3, 2025
LOL. You can't make this stuff up. It's like the DOGE tweens are running the show.
This administration is such an unserious bunch.
Remind me how the previous administration's actions were even remotely similar.
What did the previous administration do that was so profoundly and unnecessarily adversarial with every other major economy in the world, that also was roundly predicted to hurt markets, stagnate wages, slow GDP growth, increase unemployment, increase inflation, and throw our economy into a recession?
Allowed unchecked hordes of dangerous illegal aliens and drugs to cross our borders and remain in the country.
Runaway spending on thousands of Biden projects not in the nations' interest, spurring fierce inflation.
Biden's illegal attempts to forgive student loans, shot down twice by the Supreme Court.
Degradation of the military by eradication of traditional military culture, and driving down recruiting.
Accepting foreign money in his personal capacity through his son compromising national security in the process, and were only just beginning to learn how much damage was done from that.
Allowing terror, harassment, and civil rights violations against Jewish-Americans on and off college campuses.
Pardoning the crimes of every one of his immediate family members to shield them from the consequences of their corruption.
Inflation peaked before Biden's infrastructure spending even passed. It was almost entirely an artifact of the pandemic disruption and stimulus. The entire globe experienced an identical inflation curve, and in fact we recovered faster.Quote:
Runaway spending on thousands of Biden projects not in the nations' interest, spurring fierce inflation.
You mean an average Tuesday before 9am for Trump?Quote:
Biden's illegal attempts to forgive student loans, shot down twice by the Supreme Court.
Trump got endless people to obstruct justice in the Mueller probe, and then pardoned them all. He literally auctioned off pardons at the end of his term. Oh, and he pardoned a bunch of guys who wore "Six Million Jews Wasn't Enough" shirts while they beat cops with flag poles. So yeah, no.Quote:
Pardoning the crimes of every one of his immediate family members to shield them from the consequences of their corruption.
The rest of this is funhouse mirror nonsense. You watch way too much OANN.Quote:
Allowed unchecked hordes of dangerous illegal aliens and drugs to cross our borders and remain in the country.
Degradation of the military by eradication of traditional military culture, and driving down recruiting.
Accepting foreign money in his personal capacity through his son compromising national security in the process, and were only just beginning to learn how much damage was done from that.
Allowing terror, harassment, and civil rights violations against Jewish-Americans on and off college campuses.
Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Absolutely falsebyrd77pack said:IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Absolutely true
Coffee?caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Ok, that's one; albeit, not a pressing need.Hungrywolf1259 said:Coffee?caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Why does Nike have to make their shoes in China where they make them for 1/3 of the cost but still sell them to the American consumer for $200? They don’t.. except for it’s cheaper to do things in China because you can use slave labor. Well, now it’s not gonna be cheaper because…
— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) April 3, 2025
Nike just lost nearly $10 billion in market cap in under an hour—because Trump slapped a 46% tariff on Vietnam, where Nike has over 450,000 workers and 130 factories.
— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) April 3, 2025
The stock cratered nearly 7%, and investors hit the panic button.
That’s not “America First.” That’s tanking… pic.twitter.com/2bNZrDruFA
🚨 #BREAKING: FBI & Texas DPS just conducted an operation resulting the arrest of **40** suspected Tren de Aragua gang members yesterday, per @AliBradleyTV
— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) April 2, 2025
THIS is what I voted for! 🔥
15 anti-ICE “Protestors” then tried to block transport agents from leaving the federal… pic.twitter.com/hA6rtC8l6r
out of season fruits and vegetables?caryking said:Ok, that's one; albeit, not a pressing need.Hungrywolf1259 said:Coffee?caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
you love hurting American owned companies? You know who else does? Progressives.Werewolf said:
Betting with robotics we can make a competitive shoe in the US. I no longer buy Nike because of the Uyghur slave labor, so I don't know what a Nike Air Jordan costs now and what it will cost with the tariff. Nike may come home but I'll never buy Nike based on what they've participated in.Why does Nike have to make their shoes in China where they make them for 1/3 of the cost but still sell them to the American consumer for $200? They don’t.. except for it’s cheaper to do things in China because you can use slave labor. Well, now it’s not gonna be cheaper because…
— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) April 3, 2025
YEP, this had slipped my mind. Love it!!!Nike just lost nearly $10 billion in market cap in under an hour—because Trump slapped a 46% tariff on Vietnam, where Nike has over 450,000 workers and 130 factories.
— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) April 3, 2025
The stock cratered nearly 7%, and investors hit the panic button.
That’s not “America First.” That’s tanking… pic.twitter.com/2bNZrDruFA
This video making fun of Donald Trump for his obsession with the word "groceries" is hilarious.
— Art Candee 🍿🥤 (@ArtCandee) April 3, 2025
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣pic.twitter.com/Bb13GfVjlX
Hokie, have you ever been on a factory floor? I'd love to invite you to Stitch so you can see our operation. I can show you how a facility use people with machinery to get things done.hokiewolf said:you love hurting American owned companies? You know who else does? Progressives.Werewolf said:
Betting with robotics we can make a competitive shoe in the US. I no longer buy Nike because of the Uyghur slave labor, so I don't know what a Nike Air Jordan costs now and what it will cost with the tariff. Nike may come home but I'll never buy Nike based on what they've participated in.Why does Nike have to make their shoes in China where they make them for 1/3 of the cost but still sell them to the American consumer for $200? They don’t.. except for it’s cheaper to do things in China because you can use slave labor. Well, now it’s not gonna be cheaper because…
— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) April 3, 2025
YEP, this had slipped my mind. Love it!!!Nike just lost nearly $10 billion in market cap in under an hour—because Trump slapped a 46% tariff on Vietnam, where Nike has over 450,000 workers and 130 factories.
— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) April 3, 2025
The stock cratered nearly 7%, and investors hit the panic button.
That’s not “America First.” That’s tanking… pic.twitter.com/2bNZrDruFA
How does building a robotic factory to make shoes in the US provide manufacturing jobs for Johnny Paycheck?
Trump has clearly never been grocery shopping in his life.hokiewolf said:
Groceries, such a strange word.
Note: this is posted for humor, don't get all butt hurt MAGAsThis video making fun of Donald Trump for his obsession with the word "groceries" is hilarious.
— Art Candee 🍿🥤 (@ArtCandee) April 3, 2025
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣pic.twitter.com/Bb13GfVjlX
yes, several. Some extremely terrible - a plywood plant in Emporia VA comes to mind as one of the worst.caryking said:Hokie, have you ever been on a factory floor? I'd love to invite you to Stitch so you can see our operation. I can show you how a facility use people with machinery to get things done.hokiewolf said:you love hurting American owned companies? You know who else does? Progressives.Werewolf said:
Betting with robotics we can make a competitive shoe in the US. I no longer buy Nike because of the Uyghur slave labor, so I don't know what a Nike Air Jordan costs now and what it will cost with the tariff. Nike may come home but I'll never buy Nike based on what they've participated in.Why does Nike have to make their shoes in China where they make them for 1/3 of the cost but still sell them to the American consumer for $200? They don’t.. except for it’s cheaper to do things in China because you can use slave labor. Well, now it’s not gonna be cheaper because…
— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) April 3, 2025
YEP, this had slipped my mind. Love it!!!Nike just lost nearly $10 billion in market cap in under an hour—because Trump slapped a 46% tariff on Vietnam, where Nike has over 450,000 workers and 130 factories.
— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) April 3, 2025
The stock cratered nearly 7%, and investors hit the panic button.
That’s not “America First.” That’s tanking… pic.twitter.com/2bNZrDruFA
How does building a robotic factory to make shoes in the US provide manufacturing jobs for Johnny Paycheck?
DrummerboyWolf said:
This story says The Atlantic story about the El Salvadoran man from Maryland who was wrongly deported is fake news.
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-liz-wheeler-show/atlantic-story-about-maryland-father-wrongly-deported-is-fake-news
Doubt that'll happen, as MAGAs surely realize that humor is all the anti-MAGAs have to fall back on.hokiewolf said:
Groceries, such a strange word.
Note: this is posted for humor, don't get all butt hurt MAGAsThis video making fun of Donald Trump for his obsession with the word "groceries" is hilarious.
— Art Candee 🍿🥤 (@ArtCandee) April 3, 2025
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣pic.twitter.com/Bb13GfVjlX
caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Well, I guess market prices and demand will have to work with those products. It is what it is…IseWolf22 said:caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Bananas
Potash
Coffee
Chocolate
Many spices
Rubber
Bauxite
Silk
A bunch of different metals/ores
And much more
caryking said:Well, I guess market prices and demand will have to work with those products. It is what it is…IseWolf22 said:caryking said:Please be more specific about your assertion (bolded)…IseWolf22 said:
Tariffs aren't going to bring manufacturing back. They will kill them.
Raw material tariffs in particular are some of the worst. They directly make our production, both domestic and exports more expensive. We are tariffing things we can't even find or grow in the US.
This experiment will make the nation poorer. Trump is attempting to strangle the golden goose that is the American economy
Bananas
Potash
Coffee
Chocolate
Many spices
Rubber
Bauxite
Silk
A bunch of different metals/ores
And much more
BREAKING: Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick just announced that Trump secured a $6 trillion commitment for America today.
— The General (@GeneralMCNews) April 4, 2025
POTUS secured $6 trillion in commitments to 🇺🇸 today, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick says. pic.twitter.com/nYjpwEmM5b
— CrazyLightLady (@girl600show) April 4, 2025
