Hokie, you're gumming up the thread. We know how you feel. Don't be like another poster here by gumming it up….

See, he's a cheeto!!! You fAsCiSt Magats are OWNED!!!

https://instagr.am/p/DH_ItBYssvw

Orange man is orange because the Communist News Network uses an orange filter.

So that commie libtards who believe everything that they see on TV is "true" can hate the orange man.

Orange man bad!!

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Hokie, you're gumming up the thread. We know how you feel. Don't be like another poster here by gumming it up….

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#Gobbler, stand down, Cary needs to get some touches. Otherwise, he'll whine from the bench.

Correction: I like the rhyme of "whine from the pine" better.

Maybe it's not "mUh TaRiFfs!!" causing the stock market to go down.

Maybe it's because commies started a terrorist campaign across the country, causing company stocks to drop, including Tesla most of which isn't even owned by Musk.

You commies are the ones tanking your own 401ks.

https://instagr.am/p/DH_LgzfJep0

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Hokie, you're gumming up the thread. We know how you feel. Don't be like another poster here by gumming it up….

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#Gobbler, stand down, Cary needs to get some touches. Otherwise, he'll whine from the bench.

Correction: I like the rhyme of "whine from the pine" better.

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FYI, I eat this stuff up... It doesn't bother me at all.

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Hokie, you're gumming up the thread. We know how you feel. Don't be like another poster here by gumming it up….

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#Gobbler, stand down, Cary needs to get some touches. Otherwise, he'll whine from the bench.

Correction: I like the rhyme of "whine from the pine" better.

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FYI, I eat this stuff up... It doesn't bother me at all.

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You're breaking my heart too. ;-) Boo hoo

RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

Werewolf said:

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Like my whining ally, I'm in it for the good of all and I'm willing to take some bumps and bruises to get there........for the good of America. It's for the long-term survivability of our nation.

I don't think it'll last Smoot Hawley was a law, very different but good to use as a point of reference

I think it's part of a new economic recalibration, to shift from a consumption-based to production-based economyhttps://t.co/OksRtwRt8F

— Danny Marques | Investing Informant 📊📈 (@Invst_Informant) April 3, 2025

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

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Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.

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It's easier to take this view if one can completely forget what the previous administration was like filtered through the conservative media echo chamber.

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Fixed.

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Like my whining ally, I'm in it for the good of all and I'm willing to take some bumps and bruises to get there........for the good of America. It's for the long-term survivability of our nation.

I don't think it'll last Smoot Hawley was a law, very different but good to use as a point of reference

I think it's part of a new economic recalibration, to shift from a consumption-based to production-based economyhttps://t.co/OksRtwRt8F

— Danny Marques | Investing Informant 📊📈 (@Invst_Informant) April 3, 2025

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this is incredibly stupid, the US is NOT a consumption based economy. The US produces goods and SERVICES. This guys is completely ignoring the services. That the US sells to other countries, which will now end because retaliatory tariffs will now be applied to those services.

I gotta say, the magic beans will somehow improve the economy with less worker production. Please explain to me how that's going to work

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Werewolf said:

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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are you basing tariff rates from other countries based on trade deficit on goods and material? If you are, I'm sorry but you don't understand basic econ because the world economy is based on the dollar. Guess whose currency that is? We could have done this even simpler by just tanking the dollar. That would have removed all tariffs.

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.

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see graph posted above. The US manufactures a lot of stuff. What industrial infrastructure is decaying? Please name me specifically what is decaying. I want to know.

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.

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see graph posted above. The US manufactures a lot of stuff. What industrial infrastructure is decaying? Please name me specifically what is decaying. I want to know.

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You've only known 20 yrs of adult life. You've resided in a globalist world. You have no recollection of our manufacturing base folding in the 90's and even in the 80's. Have you ever been to the remnants of a what was a thriving Midwest town? Do we need to name there here? Detroit auto makers and Steel production towns? I remember all this wondering what the hell are we doing? It's a slippery slope for America's middle-class worker and there is only one way and that's down. Some of this is critical to our national security and in time of war or global disturbance we need to be able to produce those products essential to our national security and well-being. I stand ready to endure the pushback from China and others. Short-term pain for long-term gain, just like in athletics. Let's build a stronger more durable athlete here on our own team.

Check back with me next year about this time and let's compare notes.

EDIT: Here ya go, I googled Youngstown Ohio 1980s.

Hampton Institute describes Youngstown as losing manufacturing jobs when its steel mills began closing in the 1980s. Between 2000 & 2010, the population of Youngstown dropped from 82,000 to 66,000, & the state of Ohio lost 402,000 manufacturing jobs (BEA).https://t.co/g3QylhBpsh

— Sabe Pen (@CitiBE) May 12, 2022

The globalist movement economically began as early as the 1970's with Kissinger's trips to China. Who is the real Henry Kissinger, do you really know? Soon thereafter the mothballing of American industry began.

EDIT: Now everyone needs to stand down, it's been 12 posts and Cary hasn't got a shot off. Clear the floor and let Cary trot onto the court from the pine and get a couple of shots off. Tough to launch a flatfooted set shot when 12 feet from the rim. Cary, you'd be dangerous as the WC moderator, censorship is right up your alley.

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.

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see graph posted above. The US manufactures a lot of stuff. What industrial infrastructure is decaying? Please name me specifically what is decaying. I want to know.

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You've only known 20 yrs of adult life. You've resided in a globalist world. You have no recollection of our manufacturing base folding in the 90's and even in the 80's. Have you ever been to the remnants of a what was a thriving Midwest town? Do we need to name there here? Detroit auto makers and Steel production towns? I remember all this wondering what the hell are we doing? It's a slippery slope for America's middle-class worker and there is only one way and that's down. Some of this is critical to our national security and in time of war or global disturbance we need to be able to produce those products essential to our national security and well-being. I stand ready to endure the pushback from China and others. Short-term pain for long-term gain, just like in athletics. Let's build a stronger more durable athlete here on our own team.

Check back with me next year about this time and let's compare notes.

EDIT: Here ya go, I googled Youngstown Ohio 1980s.

Hampton Institute describes Youngstown as losing manufacturing jobs when its steel mills began closing in the 1980s. Between 2000 & 2010, the population of Youngstown dropped from 82,000 to 66,000, & the state of Ohio lost 402,000 manufacturing jobs (BEA).https://t.co/g3QylhBpsh

— Sabe Pen (@CitiBE) May 12, 2022

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He didn't have to restart his career 20 years ago like I did because all our Textile jobs went to China either... back then we didn't have time to whine about it like he does, we just had to put on our big boy pants and start doing something different. Sure would have loved to retire in the field that my degree was in, just like my father did before me, but that wasn't an option unfortunately. Somehow, I've managed to survive just fine - even if it wasn't easy...

That's why I don't have much empathy for the crybaby routine...

He'll remind you that he's personally fared well financially with this approach. Just like the guy that got banned, he's all about himself.

OOPS, I was disobedient, I didn't stand down to allow for Cary's words to be spoken.

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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are you basing tariff rates from other countries based on trade deficit on goods and material? If you are, I'm sorry but you don't understand basic econ because the world economy is based on the dollar. Guess whose currency that is? We could have done this even simpler by just tanking the dollar. That would have removed all tariffs.

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Yada yada yada. Everything the so-called economic "experts" have told us for the past 3-4 decades has been dead wrong, and deliberate lies and bad policy to push this "globalist" agenda to de-industrialize the United States eg, with NAFTA and moving manufacturing overseas, removing tariffs on foreign goods, etc.

Tariffs are a tool to bring/keep manufacturing in our nation. And we are seeing immediate results, with something like $3 or $4 trillion of investment (manufacturing) announced and committed to move to the United States over just the last few months.

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RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.

Russia not mentioned anywhere on Trump's list of tariffs.

Do you get it now?pic.twitter.com/2xuYV0kQPa

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) April 3, 2025

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If having tariffs is so "bad" as commie Leftists tell us, then why does virtually every other nation on the earth use tariffs and have much higher tariffs on US-produced goods than the United States does on goods produced in their countries?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Exactly! The CCP has milked us dry with their slave labor and tariffing our goods. We're the ones with the decaying industrial infrastructure. Have you seen modern-day China's? Our less effluent have been rendered indentured servants of the global elite.

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see graph posted above. The US manufactures a lot of stuff. What industrial infrastructure is decaying? Please name me specifically what is decaying. I want to know.

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You've only known 20 yrs of adult life. You've resided in a globalist world. You have no recollection of our manufacturing base folding in the 90's and even in the 80's. Have you ever been to the remnants of a what was a thriving Midwest town? Do we need to name there here? Detroit auto makers and Steel production towns? I remember all this wondering what the hell are we doing? It's a slippery slope for America's middle-class worker and there is only one way and that's down. Some of this is critical to our national security and in time of war or global disturbance we need to be able to produce those products essential to our national security and well-being. I stand ready to endure the pushback from China and others. Short-term pain for long-term gain, just like in athletics. Let's build a stronger more durable athlete here on our own team.

Check back with me next year about this time and let's compare notes.

EDIT: Here ya go, I googled Youngstown Ohio 1980s.

Hampton Institute describes Youngstown as losing manufacturing jobs when its steel mills began closing in the 1980s. Between 2000 & 2010, the population of Youngstown dropped from 82,000 to 66,000, & the state of Ohio lost 402,000 manufacturing jobs (BEA).https://t.co/g3QylhBpsh

— Sabe Pen (@CitiBE) May 12, 2022

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why do you want the entire US economy to be like Michigans?

I want to return to a sovereign American and a sovereign America. I've watched what's happened for the last 50 years. Take a look at where the CCP's revenues end up, certainly the skyscrapers, rail and airports of Beijing but also right here on our southern and northern borders as they work closely to pump drugs into our nation through our borders. They are embedded deeply within our own borders; we have a major problem. We're funding our enemies and our own demise.

And here I am debating a 42-yr old, geez, I must keep it to a min.

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Maybe it's not "mUh TaRiFfs!!" causing the stock market to go down.

Maybe it's because commies started a terrorist campaign across the country, causing company stocks to drop, including Tesla most of which isn't even owned by Musk.

You commies are the ones tanking your own 401ks.

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Did you notice that Musk just sent 4 astronauts into polar orbit over Antarctica? Didn't you say that the people pushing "round Earth" propaganda are Satanic Marxists?

Why are you losing so much sleep about the left attacking a Satanic Marxist?

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Maybe it's not "mUh TaRiFfs!!" causing the stock market to go down.

Maybe it's because commies started a terrorist campaign across the country, causing company stocks to drop, including Tesla most of which isn't even owned by Musk.

You commies are the ones tanking your own 401ks.

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Did you notice that Musk just sent 4 astronauts into polar orbit over Antarctica? Didn't you say that the people pushing "round Earth" propaganda are Satanic Marxists?

Why are you losing so much sleep about the left attacking a Satanic Marxist?

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And now you AGREE with Musk on an issue (orthodox cosmology claims). Why are you defending a muh FaSciSt NAZi??

See…this game goes both ways.

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Damn!! I went to bed early, last night, and woke up to the insanity of the board…

If the world collapses in a year, let's talk about these tariffs. Until then, Trump is going to Fundamentally Change (have we heard that before and it was ok?) the US economy. I, personally, believe in the concept of bringing more manufacturing back to the US. Also, I believe a better way of doing it is through "0" business taxes; however, a tariff program is needed for outside businesses and/or Countries to gain access to the largest economy in the world.

At least, everyone is recognizing that we do "NOT" have free trade with all these countries. Otherwise, we would have more vitriol to the "Kind" reciprocal tariffs chart, Trump displayed.

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I 1000% believe you believe all that Cary but Trump doesn't. Those reasons are all made up. The only real reason we are doing Tariffs higher than ever tried in the history of the United States is because Trump thinks trade is a zero sum game and that's because all his business dealings in real estate are zero sum games. You either build on the property because you own it or you don't because you lost.

That's not how trade works. Trade deficits DO NOT MATTER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ZERO SUM. We are going to be taxed and tariffed to an unprecedented point because our President has thought about trade this way since he was 15.

We won't even start with the constitutional issues here or the fact that the reciprocal tariffs are just made up numbers.

There is no plan here other than to get into a trade war. That's it, that's the plan. It's not to create investment, not to end income tax, not to bring manufacturing to the US, not even to make trade fair. It not even to bluff and posture. All of that is made up reasons for this. If anyone here claims that there is a strategic plan for all this you are lying there is not.

There will be negative wage growth for the rest of the year, we are going to put our good friends the farmers, yes those great farmers so far underwater they will need a bailout. The colllapse won't wait a year. It'll happen in weeks.

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Keep in mind that Trump borrowed Viktor Orban's copy of Dictatoring for Dummies, and has been sticking pretty closely to it. The majority of Trump's executive orders so far have relied on the same play... use the power of the government to extort companies/agencies/law firms/whoever into submission.

I'd be surprised if this isn't just more of the same... further consolidating his power by forcing every company in America to bend the knee and beg for carve-out relief.

Darn it, here I go violating Cary's demand for equal time on the court, but this a BOOM BOOM for what was posted earlier here. This is what we FIGHT for!!!

This might be the single best explanation of Trump’s tariff policies I’ve seen and it was from a former Democrat on Piers Morgan

Listen to the passion in her voice

Even @KariLake was impressed

Bravo @bungarsargon👏🏼
pic.twitter.com/jkiTSfKYHF

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino43) April 3, 2025

Here I am, once again, violating the Water Cooler's moderator reqmts, I'm posting too much. Even if it's the truth, it's still too much scoring by a guy not named #Cary. #ROBOTICS #AI

Howard Lutnick: “We can’t have a war where we can’t get antibiotics and we have to call another country to make a mission or to make a plane. I mean these are obvious things.”

pic.twitter.com/5XhyvbNtnE

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) April 3, 2025

MAGA and progressives are the same kind of populists.

This is indistinguishable from liberal arguments on climate change

“Just lower your standard of living, you selfish person” https://t.co/EqxH37ruEZ

— John Hasson (@SonofHas) April 3, 2025

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MAGA and progressives are the same kind of populists.

This is indistinguishable from liberal arguments on climate change

“Just lower your standard of living, you selfish person” https://t.co/EqxH37ruEZ

— John Hasson (@SonofHas) April 3, 2025

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Go ask the people living in cities that have lost manufacturing. Hell, just go down I85 from Burlington to Greensboro and look at the factories shut down doing textiles.

I mean heck, NC State is a large textiles school and we have offshored dang near all that manufacturing. I guess we just teach supply chain in the globalist world view...

I'm not sold on 13 and 16 being done yet. Heck of an impact in just 70 days.

Here’s a quick refresher on where we’re at:

1. Border is now closed
2. MS-13 & Tren de Aragua being deported
3. No more men in women’s sports
4. Food prices going down
5. Gas prices going down
6. Housing becoming more affordable
7. Inflation going down
8. $5 trillion in new…

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) April 2, 2025

^ post again, please Cary!!

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^ post again, please Cary!!

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Is it meaningful? Or, is it diatribe?

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^ post again, please Cary!!

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Is it meaningful? Or, is it diatribe?

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You need some floor time, I'm all about you taking shots!

Teammates......I've had some like you and I've had some good ones too. :-)

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^ post again, please Cary!!

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Is it meaningful? Or, is it diatribe?

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You need some floor time, I'm all about you taking shots!

Teammates......I've had some like you and I've had some good ones too. :-)

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Were, you and I are on the same team…