More precisely, the Constitution was fashioned for the governance of a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any others. Therein lies the cause of strife on this forum, as many here whom are not moral and religious are gonna take umbrage when confronted with that.

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More precisely, the Constitution was fashioned for the governance of a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any others. Therein lies the cause of strife on this forum, as many here whom are not moral and religious are gonna take umbrage when confronted with that.

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I have no idea what this means. How many drinks in are you this afternoon?

Seriously though, some time pick up Freethinkers by Susan Jacoby or one of many other books that describe in detail the religious proclivities of the crafters of the Constitution.

Many of the founders and crafters themselves were not particularly religious (those that were were often Deists that weren't down with organized, traditional religion) and most were Enlightenment thinkers that valued reason and were quite skeptical of religious authority. As you know, the government they founded was intentionally secular to optimize religious freedom.

So, no, the Constitution wasn't aimed at governing religious people exclusive of others and I'm not even sure how much "moral" plays a part. Maybe it was intended to govern people that "abide by laws and/or the courts that intervene when laws are broken" but that seems self-evident.

So I'm back to not knowing what you're talking about.

Actually, these are not my words, they belong to the second President of the United States.

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Actually, these are not my words, they belong to the second President of the United States.

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Lol

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More precisely, the Constitution was fashioned for the governance of a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any others. Therein lies the cause of strife on this forum, as many here whom are not moral and religious are gonna take umbrage when confronted with that.

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That certainly explains why MAGA is abandoning the Constitution as we speak and taking the Mad King approach for a test drive.

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id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.

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The mission of DOGE is to spew a torrent of disinformation pretending to save OMG TRILLIONS in order to "offset" the deficit-exploding billionaire giveaway budget they're planning this fall.

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id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.

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The mission of DOGE is to spew a torrent of disinformation pretending to save OMG TRILLIONS in order to "offset" the deficit-exploding billionaire giveaway budget they're planning this fall.

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Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Prominently Backing Her Than Trump


https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

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Are these billionaires also getting the same tax cut?

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id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.

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The mission of DOGE is to spew a torrent of disinformation pretending to save OMG TRILLIONS in order to "offset" the deficit-exploding billionaire giveaway budget they're planning this fall.

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Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Prominently Backing Her Than Trump


https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

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Are these billionaires also getting the same tax cut?

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People like Smapty never complained when the Trump tax cuts remained throughout the Biden term….

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id love to see the actual math. Because I don't believe that is true.

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The mission of DOGE is to spew a torrent of disinformation pretending to save OMG TRILLIONS in order to "offset" the deficit-exploding billionaire giveaway budget they're planning this fall.

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Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Prominently Backing Her Than Trump


https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

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Because a lot of billionaires know how math works and would rather not keep cutting taxes until our economy implodes, taking their billions with it. They also don't want their heads shoved through a guillotine by the masses who no longer have health care.

But yeah, call me when a Dem president literally invites billionaires in to take over governing for them.

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Please let the Democrats and the media make these poor illegal alien gang bangers not receiving due process and unlawfully being deported the biggest news story of the week.

I think the Democrats should send a Congressional Delegation to the prison in El Salvador and demand these young men be released and brought back home to America.

If you haven't seen the video released by the President of El Salvador of the Venezuela and
MS-13 gang members arriving at the prison check it out. It's a must watch.

To go from roaming the United States committing theft, rape and murder at will and with no consequences to being incarcerated in that particular prison is going to be quite the change.

Like I said, Democrats and media, please die on this hill.

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Presidents following laws and the constitution and observing the power of the courts and checks and balances is more important for our country's long-term safety and security and stability than any edge case justification to ignore these things that you can possibly dream up.

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BS. These criminals are NOT American citizens. They do not have the rights you and I have.

I wish to God, one of these criminals would in some way touch your family or your friends. I bet you would change your TDS loving mind after that.

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The rule of law matters unless you want to live under a King. The courts are the protectors of individual freedom, not the executive.

What crimes did Dr. Rasha Alawieh violate to be sent home as a kidney transplant specialist employed by Brown on a valid, legal visa?

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It's simple. THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS. You're welcome and I hope this helps.

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I'm sure that comforts the transplant patients who have suddenly lost their doctor.

Non-citizens have still have rights.

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I don't care about non-citizens. I care about Americans.

How many non-citizens have you helped?

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You don't seem to care about Civ or many other Americans.

I care about all people on this earth, all who are God's children. I've helped many non-citizens in a variety of ways. From donating to international charities to directly helping immigrant coworkers who've come to this country and helped make it great.

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MS 13 and members of tren de aragua are much much worse than simply "non citizens" that also happened to be here illegally and no telling what crimes they committed while they were here. You guys are sick in the head.

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What gang was the kidney transplant Dr. Part of? Why was a law abiding, well educated doctor who was saving lives of US citizens deported in defiance of court order.

I have no reason to believe the Trump admin when they say that flight was full of gang members. They've not provided evidence and have fabricated information many, many times before. I'm sure there are some gang members, but also many others.

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Two snippets from Jack Posobiec about the judge trying to stop the deportations. He is not wrong.

https://t.me/s/Jack_Posobiec

"Imagine a lower court telling the President he can't invade Normandy in 1944. This stuff is ridiculous on its face - and everyone knows it!

"Have these judges ever stopped to consider the fact that they don't have any means to enforce their rulings on the President, is itself proof that the Constitution never gave them that power?"

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Jack Posobiec's opinion is with less than nothing. Dude is a complete grifter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

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Two snippets from Jack Posobiec about the judge trying to stop the deportations. He is not wrong.

https://t.me/s/Jack_Posobiec

"Imagine a lower court telling the President he can't invade Normandy in 1944. This stuff is ridiculous on its face - and everyone knows it!

"Have these judges ever stopped to consider the fact that they don't have any means to enforce their rulings on the President, is itself proof that the Constitution never gave them that power?"

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Jack Posobiec's opinion is with less than nothing. Dude is a complete grifter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

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No he's not. Great references using the sewer that is wikipedia. He served in the Navy as an Intelligence officer and as a reporter he has tons of sources everywhere.

You believing anything on wikipedia is the sad part.

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Two snippets from Jack Posobiec about the judge trying to stop the deportations. He is not wrong.

https://t.me/s/Jack_Posobiec

"Imagine a lower court telling the President he can't invade Normandy in 1944. This stuff is ridiculous on its face - and everyone knows it!

"Have these judges ever stopped to consider the fact that they don't have any means to enforce their rulings on the President, is itself proof that the Constitution never gave them that power?"

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Jack Posobiec's opinion is with less than nothing. Dude is a complete grifter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

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No he's not. Great references using the sewer that is wikipedia. He served in the Navy as an Intelligence officer and as a reporter he has tons of sources everywhere.

You believing anything on wikipedia is the sad part.

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Lol, you know you've had your brain thoroughly boiled when f'ing Wikipedia is part of the Marxist conspiracy.

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This is our current status, it's not changed.

This is a very different administration than the United States has ever had.

On January 20, 2017, President Trump delivered his inaugural address.

10 military officers walked up, stood behind him, and after exactly 45 seconds, a Marine officer prompted the sailors and soldiers… pic.twitter.com/i9OwudGhBy

— RealAF Patriot (@RealAF_Patriot) March 14, 2025

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REPORTER: The Alien Enemies Act has only been invoked during times of war. Do you feel you're using it appropriately right now?@POTUS: "This is a time of war — because Biden allowed millions of people, many of them criminals... that's an invasion." pic.twitter.com/m2ICbiyNgP

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) March 17, 2025