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hokiewolf
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packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.
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griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?




How much monetary support is the rest of the free world providing to Ukraine?


This right here. Anyone complaining about President Trumps handling of the peace talks are doing so because they know they are going to have to step up and pay more of the bill instead of fleecing the U.S.
packgrad
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.
From Tim Cook today. So wild...

"I'm 100% an expert on what opinions I have written on this site"
Civilized
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griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?




How much monetary support is the rest of the free world providing to Ukraine?

$30 billion, a fraction of what we have provided.
Then, respectfully, I couldn't give less of a **** what the "free world" thinks if they're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. All they do is spout off with saying the right things without the need to actually DO anything.

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about Ukraine or Russia. I do give a damn about us sending trillions of dollars to fund their defense in a proxy war against Russia. Who exactly is winning here? Russia will inevitably win the war if no talks take place. Ukraine will lose tomorrow if we stop funding their military. The only ones truly affected by keeping this war going are the soldiers on both sides dying because of the propaganda they've ingested from their governments.

This doesn't absolve Putin. He's a horrible human and deserves the worst life can offer. But if you want a war with Russia, don't send Ukranian men to die for your thirst to see Putin get his. Have the US declare war on Russia directly. You go over and fight. Or send your kids to do it. If you want to see him ousted so badly for his war crimes...actually do something instead of say all the right platitudes.

In the words of our great modern poets, System of a Down..."Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?"

If you don't care about outcomes here with regard to Russia then we're just fundamentally misaligned given the capacity for Russia and Putin's behaviors to negatively impact the Western world. I don't believe any Western nations have the luxury of being able to not care what Russia does.

In regarding fighting a war, funding Ukrainian support and fighting a proxy war is infinitely better and less expensive than getting pulled into an actual war, which Ukraine being given the funding to stand steadfast against Russia is intended to prevent.
I didn't say that I didn't care about the outcomes. But outcome #1 should be ending the war. So, yes, if you have a hardon for Putin to stand trial at the Hague and that is a prerequisite to ending the war to you, then we are fundamentally misaligned. I don't think Ukraine should bend over at the negotiation table. Russia was the aggressor. The human loss for Ukraine is something you can't replace. But I do think there is reality vs pie-in-the-sky negotiation gap that you can't or won't wrap your brain around.

And I 100% fundamentally disagree with you that a proxy war is infinitely better than anything. That is spoken as someone with no skin in the game.

It's wild to me how much the Dems have taken on the warmonger label from Dubya and the NeoCons. Congrats on your Raytheon overlords, I guess.

Your second point is where I land.

Ukraine shouldn't bend over.

Russia started the war and invaded their sovereign neighbor.

The issue of Putin being a war criminal aside, which of the other outcomes for Ukraine in my list are unreasonable? I don't know which are achievable but any non-farcical negotiation would achieve some of them.

I don't know how you can come to the determination that a proxy war isn't obviously better than American boots on the ground if Ukraine ceding everything to Russia emboldens Russia/China/Iran, whether you analyze it from a human toll or an economic one.

"Warmonger" is laughable.

There's a vast chasm between "warmonger" and "preferring a proxy war to American soldiers being in active conflict" and/or "Ukraine not bending over when they're sovereign and they got invaded."
hokiewolf
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.
From Tim Cook today. So wild...


Yeah, thats the crap you have to send out to the press when your President threatens American Businesses with tariffs. These guys have share holders you know. But the majority of these aren't going to be manufacturing jobs. They're going to be in AI and R&D, which is also already happening in the US. So, It's a great investment for sure, but it's not changing the business model of Apple, except they are looking for manufacturing partners in the US. But, they're still going to pay 25% tariffs on Materials and chips so prices will also go up signigicantly.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.


So this is a bad thing?
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This runs contrary to the propaganda that "Dem's approval is poor because most of the country don't think they're doing enough to try to counteract the Musk and Trump clown show."

"I'm 100% an expert on what opinions I have written on this site"
hokiewolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.


So this is a bad thing?
See above. It isn't. But to force an American company to put out propaganda so they don't become a target by the Administration isn't good. Again, this stuff is in the works years in advance. Apple doesn't wake up on a Monday and go, "geeze, let's just make a $500B investment, we'll figure out what later"

But, these aren't the jobs you guys want. You want manufacturing for some reason. These are high paying jobs that remain in the US. You guys want the $17/hr jobs that don't make too much sense to put in the US. But, if Apple is going to spend money creating a training center in Detroit to get manufacturing off the ground, we'll see how serious they are about it real soon. I suspect they are not.
packgrad
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More investments. Sad that a "conservative" calls this propaganda. TDS runs deep.

"I'm 100% an expert on what opinions I have written on this site"
griff17matt
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Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?




How much monetary support is the rest of the free world providing to Ukraine?

$30 billion, a fraction of what we have provided.
Then, respectfully, I couldn't give less of a **** what the "free world" thinks if they're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. All they do is spout off with saying the right things without the need to actually DO anything.

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about Ukraine or Russia. I do give a damn about us sending trillions of dollars to fund their defense in a proxy war against Russia. Who exactly is winning here? Russia will inevitably win the war if no talks take place. Ukraine will lose tomorrow if we stop funding their military. The only ones truly affected by keeping this war going are the soldiers on both sides dying because of the propaganda they've ingested from their governments.

This doesn't absolve Putin. He's a horrible human and deserves the worst life can offer. But if you want a war with Russia, don't send Ukranian men to die for your thirst to see Putin get his. Have the US declare war on Russia directly. You go over and fight. Or send your kids to do it. If you want to see him ousted so badly for his war crimes...actually do something instead of say all the right platitudes.

In the words of our great modern poets, System of a Down..."Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?"

If you don't care about outcomes here with regard to Russia then we're just fundamentally misaligned given the capacity for Russia and Putin's behaviors to negatively impact the Western world. I don't believe any Western nations have the luxury of being able to not care what Russia does.

In regarding fighting a war, funding Ukrainian support and fighting a proxy war is infinitely better and less expensive than getting pulled into an actual war, which Ukraine being given the funding to stand steadfast against Russia is intended to prevent.
I didn't say that I didn't care about the outcomes. But outcome #1 should be ending the war. So, yes, if you have a hardon for Putin to stand trial at the Hague and that is a prerequisite to ending the war to you, then we are fundamentally misaligned. I don't think Ukraine should bend over at the negotiation table. Russia was the aggressor. The human loss for Ukraine is something you can't replace. But I do think there is reality vs pie-in-the-sky negotiation gap that you can't or won't wrap your brain around.

And I 100% fundamentally disagree with you that a proxy war is infinitely better than anything. That is spoken as someone with no skin in the game.

It's wild to me how much the Dems have taken on the warmonger label from Dubya and the NeoCons. Congrats on your Raytheon overlords, I guess.

Your second point is where I land.

Ukraine shouldn't bend over.

Russia started the war and invaded their sovereign neighbor.

The issue of Putin being a war criminal aside, which of the other outcomes for Ukraine in my list are unreasonable? I don't know which are achievable but any non-farcical negotiation would achieve some of them.

I don't know how you can come to the determination that a proxy war isn't obviously better than American boots on the ground if Ukraine ceding everything to Russia emboldens Russia/China/Iran, whether you analyze it from a human toll or an economic one.

"Warmonger" is laughable.

There's a vast chasm between "warmonger" and "preferring a proxy war to American soldiers being in active conflict" and/or "Ukraine not bending over when they're sovereign and they got invaded."

So it's cool for people to die to meet the end goals you desire so long as those deaths aren't somewhat close to you? Being an altruistic warmonger is still being a warmonger, just with more warm bubbly feelings to make you feel better about your decision.

Just so I'm clear, I don't think any of your listed outcomes are unreasonable to ask for. You are, however, delusional if you think the majority of them will ever be met.
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.


So this is a bad thing?
See above. It isn't. But to force an American company to put out propaganda so they don't become a target by the Administration isn't good. Again, this stuff is in the works years in advance. Apple doesn't wake up on a Monday and go, "geeze, let's just make a $500B investment, we'll figure out what later"


You were there in the negotiations and can attest to Apple being "forced to put out propaganda" ? How does that happen? How did you feel about the Biden administration forcing companies (Facebook) to put out propaganda?

Gulfstream4
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packgrad said:

More investments. Sad that a "conservative" calls this propaganda. TDS runs deep.




Forced propaganda!
Civilized
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griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?




How much monetary support is the rest of the free world providing to Ukraine?

$30 billion, a fraction of what we have provided.
Then, respectfully, I couldn't give less of a **** what the "free world" thinks if they're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. All they do is spout off with saying the right things without the need to actually DO anything.

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about Ukraine or Russia. I do give a damn about us sending trillions of dollars to fund their defense in a proxy war against Russia. Who exactly is winning here? Russia will inevitably win the war if no talks take place. Ukraine will lose tomorrow if we stop funding their military. The only ones truly affected by keeping this war going are the soldiers on both sides dying because of the propaganda they've ingested from their governments.

This doesn't absolve Putin. He's a horrible human and deserves the worst life can offer. But if you want a war with Russia, don't send Ukranian men to die for your thirst to see Putin get his. Have the US declare war on Russia directly. You go over and fight. Or send your kids to do it. If you want to see him ousted so badly for his war crimes...actually do something instead of say all the right platitudes.

In the words of our great modern poets, System of a Down..."Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?"

If you don't care about outcomes here with regard to Russia then we're just fundamentally misaligned given the capacity for Russia and Putin's behaviors to negatively impact the Western world. I don't believe any Western nations have the luxury of being able to not care what Russia does.

In regarding fighting a war, funding Ukrainian support and fighting a proxy war is infinitely better and less expensive than getting pulled into an actual war, which Ukraine being given the funding to stand steadfast against Russia is intended to prevent.
I didn't say that I didn't care about the outcomes. But outcome #1 should be ending the war. So, yes, if you have a hardon for Putin to stand trial at the Hague and that is a prerequisite to ending the war to you, then we are fundamentally misaligned. I don't think Ukraine should bend over at the negotiation table. Russia was the aggressor. The human loss for Ukraine is something you can't replace. But I do think there is reality vs pie-in-the-sky negotiation gap that you can't or won't wrap your brain around.

And I 100% fundamentally disagree with you that a proxy war is infinitely better than anything. That is spoken as someone with no skin in the game.

It's wild to me how much the Dems have taken on the warmonger label from Dubya and the NeoCons. Congrats on your Raytheon overlords, I guess.

Your second point is where I land.

Ukraine shouldn't bend over.

Russia started the war and invaded their sovereign neighbor.

The issue of Putin being a war criminal aside, which of the other outcomes for Ukraine in my list are unreasonable? I don't know which are achievable but any non-farcical negotiation would achieve some of them.

I don't know how you can come to the determination that a proxy war isn't obviously better than American boots on the ground if Ukraine ceding everything to Russia emboldens Russia/China/Iran, whether you analyze it from a human toll or an economic one.

"Warmonger" is laughable.

There's a vast chasm between "warmonger" and "preferring a proxy war to American soldiers being in active conflict" and/or "Ukraine not bending over when they're sovereign and they got invaded."

So it's cool for people to die to meet the end goals you desire so long as those deaths aren't somewhat close to you? Being an altruistic warmonger is still being a warmonger, just with more warm bubbly feelings to make you feel better about your decision.

Just so I'm clear, I don't think any of your listed outcomes are unreasonable to ask for. You are, however, delusional if you think the majority of them will ever be met.

All my comments regarding funding Ukraine obviously presume that's what Ukraine wants to do.

If they want to continue fighting and the only impediment is funding, then yes. They are a sovereign country; it's not our job to tell them to stay in or get out of the war.

If they want to bend over for Russia to make the war stop then by all means support what they want. It's their soldiers on the front lines, their land that got taken, their country that got invaded.
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.


So this is a bad thing?
See above. It isn't. But to force an American company to put out propaganda so they don't become a target by the Administration isn't good. Again, this stuff is in the works years in advance. Apple doesn't wake up on a Monday and go, "geeze, let's just make a $500B investment, we'll figure out what later"


You were there in the negotiations and can attest to Apple being "forced to put out propaganda" ? How does that happen? How did you feel about the Biden administration forcing companies (Facebook) to put out propaganda?


I can attest that Apple takes years to plan a data center campus. It's not something that has happened over the last 6 weeks. Apple has to do the market research to see if their R&D shop needs to be expanded.

American companies should be left alone to do the business that their shareholders ask them to do. That includes getting rid of centralized industrial planning and tariffs, two progressive ideas that are now awesome ideas because Trump wants to do them.
hokiewolf
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packgrad said:

More investments. Sad that a "conservative" calls this propaganda. TDS runs deep.


Nippon Steel was a bid for US Steel that both Biden and Trump rejected, which hurts the steel industry in the US. Combine that with tariffs on steel and Aluminum, you are now protecting jobs in that industry at the direct detriment to the workers in all the other manufacturing industries that need aluminum and steel raw materials to make their products.

DAMAC owns the Middle East's only Trump-branded golf course in Dubai, which opened in 2017, and the billionaire celebrated the New Year with Trump in Florida. I'm going to invest $20B somehow in Data Centers doesn't seem like a real commitment

Microsoft and Nvidia are partnering in the project and construction at one site has started at a site in Texas, according to an Open AI press release. Approximately $100 billion is expected to be spent on Stargate "immediately," the company said. - You don't have $100B immediately ready to spend if you haven't sent the last 2-4 years planning for building a site in Texas.

Saudi Arabia - 600B Investment - The readout did not elaborate on where those investments and trade could be placed. The U.S. in recent years has increasingly pulled away from relying on Saudi oil exports, which once was the bedrock of their relationship for decades. Saudi sovereign wealth funds have taken large stakes in American businesses while also looking at sports as well. - So they have no plan to invest 600B in 4 years. How much is actually giong to be invested? and invested in what exactly?

So while this investment is great for the US, we are kidding ourselves if any action Trump has done did anything to help these project along, except for his golf buddy promising $20B, he probably leaned on that guy to cough up some money.
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:


" Not all the $500 billion will go into production of computer hardware. It said it is expanding data center capacity in North Carolina, Iowa, Oregon, Arizona, and Nevada."

Taking credit for things that have already been happening for over 15 years is wild. And believe me, the majority, and I'm talking $499.99B is going to data center construction, which gets planned years in advance.

Working in this sector building these things, they are very costly big boxes.


So this is a bad thing?
See above. It isn't. But to force an American company to put out propaganda so they don't become a target by the Administration isn't good. Again, this stuff is in the works years in advance. Apple doesn't wake up on a Monday and go, "geeze, let's just make a $500B investment, we'll figure out what later"


You were there in the negotiations and can attest to Apple being "forced to put out propaganda" ? How does that happen? How did you feel about the Biden administration forcing companies (Facebook) to put out propaganda?


I can attest that Apple takes years to plan a data center campus. It's not something that has happened over the last 6 weeks. Apple has to do the market research to see if their R&D shop needs to be expanded.

American companies should be left alone to do the business that their shareholders ask them to do. That includes getting rid of centralized industrial planning and tariffs, two progressive ideas that are now awesome ideas because Trump wants to do them.
You are "100% an expert" on the situation. You know better than Tim Cook.

I'm sorry that things are not going the way you hoped.


From the article,
"We are bullish on the future of American innovation, and we're proud to build on our long-standing U.S. investments with this $500 billion commitment to our country's future," said Tim Cook, Apple's CEO. "From doubling our Advanced Manufacturing Fund, to building advanced technology in Texas, we're thrilled to expand our support for American manufacturing. And we'll keep working with people and companies across this country to help write an extraordinary new chapter in the history of American innovation."

"As part of its new U.S. investments, Apple will work with manufacturing partners to begin production of servers in Houston later this year. A 250,000-square-foot server manufacturing facility, slated to open in 2026, will create thousands of jobs."

"As part of this new investment, Apple is doubling its U.S. Advanced Manufacturing Fund, which was created in 2017 to support world-class innovation and high-skilled manufacturing jobs across America. The growing commitment will increase the fund from $5 billion to $10 billion, focused on promoting advanced manufacturing and skills development throughout the country."

"In the next four years, Apple plans to hire around 20,000 people, of which the vast majority will be focused on R&D, silicon engineering, software development, and AI and machine learning. The expanded commitment includes significant investment in Apple's R&D hubs across the country. This includes growing teams across the U.S. focused on areas including custom silicon, hardware engineering, software development, artificial intelligence, and machine learning."

"To help companies transition to advanced manufacturing, Apple will open the Apple Manufacturing Academy in Detroit. Apple engineers, along with experts from top universities such as Michigan State, will consult with small- and medium-sized businesses on implementing AI and smart manufacturing techniques. The academy will also offer free in-person and online courses, with a skills development curriculum that teaches workers vital skills like project management and manufacturing process optimization. The courses will help drive productivity, efficiency, and quality in companies' supply chains."
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hokiewolf
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Here's an easy one packgrad that Trump could actually do that would work for American Businesses and workers - change the rule on how equipment and materials depreciate. You want to promote new manufacturing, let the investors get the return on their investment in year 1 instead of spreading it out over 10 years.

That'd be something, but that won't happen in these 4 years.
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Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
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griff17matt said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?




How much monetary support is the rest of the free world providing to Ukraine?
Instead of just listening to Fox News spin and running with it, you could actually give Google a try.

In total dollars of course the U.S. is giving the most of any individual country. As a percentage of GDP, we're basically identical to Germany and the UK. The countries adjacent to Ukraine are actually giving a larger percentage of their GDP. But Europe as a whole is in fact giving more total cash than the U.S.

Oh, and a large percentage of our giving has in fact been building ourselves cool new weapons and then unloading warehouses of hand-me downs to them.

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hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.
"I'm 100% an expert on what opinions I have written on this site"
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VP Pence doing my job for me this morning.

Thank you for your service to this great nation, sir!
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It's too bad Dems are war mongers now. War could have been over long ago...
"I'm 100% an expert on what opinions I have written on this site"
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?

I'm supposed to question everything that is told to me by everyone but Trump. How does that make sense?
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
oh man, how much more?
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hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
oh man, how much more?


Just the average is 50% higher. Good would be double.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?
Nah, you're not "just asking a legit question" at all. You're lying like usual though.

Your premise is to pretend that I have said tech jobs are a bad thing and then insinuate I am racist with your "dirty foreigners paying taxes and living American dream with a legal visa" drama queen BS. You're also claiming "we're" against H1-B visas now.

You were so angry you couldn't even spell "wages"

You really aren't much different from a democrat at all in how you handle "debate". You completely fabricate others' positions and then call them/insinuate that they're racist. I'm sure your fellow lefties are weeping in pride.

$500B in new investments/jobs from Apple. I'm sorry that angers you so much.

I'll leave it up to Tim Cook on who gets the jobs. I'm CERTAIN he is 100% an expert as compared to you.
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hokie in his last edit has reached peak derangement in that he says MAGA does not want high paying R&D jobs for US citizens. I guess this is more of that "good faith arguing" that clown, ISEWolf, was talking about.
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
oh man, how much more?


Just the average is 50% higher. Good would be double.
So $34/hr - $70,720 a year. We would rather have those than jobs that make $150k + a year?
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?
Nah, you're not "just asking a legit question" at all. You're lying like usual though.

Your premise is to pretend that I have said tech jobs are a bad thing and then insinuate I am racist with your "dirty foreigners paying taxes and living American dream with a legal visa" drama queen BS. You're also claiming "we're" against H1-B visas now.

You were so angry you couldn't even spell "wages"

You really aren't much different from a democrat at all in how you handle "debate". You completely fabricate others' positions and then call them/insinuate that they're racist. I'm sure your fellow lefties are weeping in pride.

$500B in new investments/jobs from Apple. I'm sorry that angers you so much.

I'll leave it up to Tim Cook on who gets the jobs. I'm CERTAIN he is 100% an expert as compared to you.
I'm not mad, I'm doing pretty good today. And I'm not pointing directly at you. I'm speaking more to the exciting MAGA movement, who is against H1-B visas, and wants central industrial planning.

Again, the only people that are insane are werewolf and GP., because I believe, through evidence that they are both insane. Not sure If I've called anyone racist though, but the rhetoric from the MAGA right suggests that they do not like any immigration into the US. If that's me calling someone racist, then I guess I'm guilty of pointing out a policy that everyone here is on board with.

New investment is great, I'm not denying that. But I'm not going to fooled into thinking anything Trump did all of a sudden Apple is going to bow down to the administration. They're giving Trump exactly what he wants, a thinly vailed excuse to claim victory over an EVIL American Corporation, who provided him with investments that were already in play. Who gives a hoot what Tim Cook says in this announcement.

Apple just doesnt move that fast.

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hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
oh man, how much more?


Just the average is 50% higher. Good would be double.
So $34/hr - $70,720 a year. We would rather have those than jobs that make $150k + a year?
Why does it seem that so many of your posts present a false dichotomy? We want both kinds of jobs.
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caryking said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Civilized said:

packgrad said:

Is this that critical thinking that cuck, Isewolf, was talking about?

Lol.

Embarrassing for both of you.

Zzzzzzzz.

You twisting yourself in a pretzel to justify Trump's mental malfunctions over Russia, Putin, Ukraine, and Zelenskyy is wild.

Trump getting butthurt because Zalenskyy isn't going to act like his ***** and then glitching and ranting about Z being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war and "negotiating" with Putin by giving Putin whatever he wants is a huge problem no matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Nobody in the free world other than MAGA acolytes thinks Trump's handling of Russia and Ukraine is anything other than a utter disaster.


Lol... more of this incredible critical thinking.

Trump will negotiate a truce, much to your chagrin. Because you're a brainwashed minion, you now celebrate Zelensky because he defies Trump. And you think nobody in the free world supports Trump's negotiations.

Utter stupidity.

Keep crying war monger. The war will end soon, and you will be wrong yet again.


Trump will give Putin most or all of what he wants. That's not negotiation, that's bending over. Anyone can bend over for Putin but Trump appears to be the only leader in the free world that's downright eager to.

Zalenskyy was worthy of support whether or not Trump became president again. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with HIS NATION GETTING INVADED.

Again, MAGA stands alone in the free world on the issue of wanting to stroke Putin.

Why is that?
Civ, I'll ask you the same question I asked Hokie…

What should a reasonable outcome be for both Russia and Ukraine?

Full confirmation of sovereignty
Compromise on restoration of borders
NATO membership or minimally, confirmation of security guarantees from allies (although they have zero reason to trust any such guarantee from us at this point, giving us pissing all over the Budapest memorandum)
Economic recovery assistance
Accountability for Putin's war crimes in Ukraine

Again, anybody at any time can engage in unilateral talks with Putin and volunteer to give him whatever he wants without having him make any concessions.

These are all reasonable outcomes for Ukraine. Can they achieve all of them? Who knows, but ending the war and achieving basically none of them is a total Putin/Russia victory.


Civ, in general, I think those are reasonable request. Now, I don't think all of them will come into an agreement. Things not going to happen or I don't see them happening are:

NATO membership. I am hearing that NATO security (whatever that means) will be part.

Economic recovery - that will probably happen; however, I don't support the US giving any money

Accountability for Putin - that will never get done. Not that I disagree with you.
Absolutely no way the Russia will accept Ukraine as a NATO member.
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El Lobo Loco said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

Oh, so these tech jobs are all of a sudden a good thing! Ok, since we don't have the workforce to provide for there 20,000 new jobs in R&D, how do you propose we get there since you don't want dirty foreigners getting some of these jobs and paying taxes on wadges and living the American Dream with a legal visa?
What a stupid starting point... you have really become a clown show.

we want good, manufacturing jobs in the US? correct? That's the goal. We need more $17/hr jobs! I'm just following along with the MAGA debate here and therefore we don't want these high paying R&D jobs that Apple is proposing.

We're against H1-B visas now, so I'm asking you a legit question. How are we going to do it?


Good manufacturing jobs pay a lot more than $17 / hour.
oh man, how much more?


Just the average is 50% higher. Good would be double.
So $34/hr - $70,720 a year. We would rather have those than jobs that make $150k + a year?
Why does it seem that so many of your posts present a false dichotomy? We want both kinds of jobs.
Clearly. Nothing at all wrong with manufacturing jobs.

And to add to the mis information. This was a couple years ago but I worked with Apple resourcing "manufacturing" jobs to the US and they did it in 6 months. So Apple can move fast.
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packgrad said:

More investments. Sad that a "conservative" calls this propaganda. TDS runs deep.


I'm glad to see you've got the energy to deal with some of this continued BS from #Sieve and the blind mice singing in harmony with the gaslighting Mockingbird MSM.

Saudi Arabia - $600B
Nippon - $14B, 5k jobs
Apple - $500B, 20k jobs
DAMAC - $40B, 10K jobs
Stargate - $500B, 100K jobs
SoftBank - $100B, 100K jobs
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You've haven't been fooled yet, not even after 4 or 5 mRNA jabs.
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