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The EU can send troops to help them. Put your #mercenary suit on and join them!!!!

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Isn't that what the guy was doing that had the second attempt on Trumps life?

https://instagr.am/p/DGQ1eqMNwU2

#Gobbler could be Assassin #3 to completely follow in #2's footsteps

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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#Gobbler could be Assassin #3 to completely follow in #2's footsteps

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This is an absolutely disgusting comment and I do not appreciate it. Once again you overstep your bounds. You are a disgusting person.

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Tulsi Gabbard: "Here is something that the political establishment and propaganda media don't want you to know."pic.twitter.com/lTYktfYb9K

— Thomas Sowell Quotes (@ThomasSowell) February 19, 2025

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This is the same "logic" used by the communist Democrat chitlibs in America…that using censorship against conservative "misinformation" and trying to rig and steal elections by persecuting your political opposition (via lawfare) and illegally taking them off the ballot was "needed" in order to "save muh democracy".

So the Commie libtard DemoRats LOVE it that the gay midget Zelensky acts the tyrant to cancel elections and censor the press and ban opposing political parties.

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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It's a shame you don't find the lies and propaganda about Trump, that you often share and celebrate, equally abhorrent. Some would even say they "make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me."

But I know. TRUMP!!' RUSSIA!!'

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what lies and propaganda have I shared and celebrated? Also, I've never believed that Trump and Russia ever colluded in the 2016 election. You'll never find a post of mine anywhere proclaiming that. Does Russia try to interfere in our elections? YES. THEY ARE OUR ENEMY

What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky? ZELENSKY!!! DICTATOR!!!

Who exactly are Americas allies? I think that's the question you need to ask yourself because you and a lot of others here seem to have trouble figuring that out.

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You lie constantly. Celebrating Putin as a better person than Zelinsky? Lol. Godalmighty, that's just stupid. But I bet the truth doesn't matter like your bull**** math above because "Putin has been a dictator longer than ZELENSKY!!!

I'm well aware of who America's allies are. I don't need some group think flow chart like you did to tell me.

You think because someone is your ally that you can't negotiate with them. Well, you think Trump can't. I disagree.

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Negotiating and threatening are tow different things. Mafia bosses also negotiate I suppose.

What am I constantly lying about? Please inform me so I can stop!

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*whispers* bet him money that he won't be able to produce evidence of your "lies" and he'll suddenly change the subject

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Have you donated today? I bet you haven't. All talk no action, civ.

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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It's a shame you don't find the lies and propaganda about Trump, that you often share and celebrate, equally abhorrent. Some would even say they "make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me."

But I know. TRUMP!!' RUSSIA!!'

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what lies and propaganda have I shared and celebrated? Also, I've never believed that Trump and Russia ever colluded in the 2016 election. You'll never find a post of mine anywhere proclaiming that. Does Russia try to interfere in our elections? YES. THEY ARE OUR ENEMY

What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky? ZELENSKY!!! DICTATOR!!!

Who exactly are Americas allies? I think that's the question you need to ask yourself because you and a lot of others here seem to have trouble figuring that out.

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You lie constantly. Celebrating Putin as a better person than Zelinsky? Lol. Godalmighty, that's just stupid. But I bet the truth doesn't matter like your bull**** math above because "Putin has been a dictator longer than ZELENSKY!!!

I'm well aware of who America's allies are. I don't need some group think flow chart like you did to tell me.

You think because someone is your ally that you can't negotiate with them. Well, you think Trump can't. I disagree.

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Negotiating and threatening are tow different things. Mafia bosses also negotiate I suppose.

What am I constantly lying about? Please inform me so I can stop!

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Ok. We've entered the act stupid part of the argument for the great debater. I'm going to enjoy the snow with the family. I hope someone else can give you the attention you need tonight.

You celebrate Putin as a better person lol.

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Snow play is delayed. UTV en route.

hokie lies on one page

"This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?"

Lie or horrible math. "He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks."

"What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky?" Absolute gem of stupidity.

Its getting old you being a drama queen about your "integrity" when you behave the way you do.

Hope that's enough receipts for the ****** supporter that whispered.

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LOLOLOLOL.

So, just so I'm clear:

1. Putin is NOT a dictator I'm sorry I'm lying about that I suppose.
2. I made a mistake thinking that the Ukrainian election schedule followed one similar to the US. MY BAD I LIED.
3. That's an opinion, which is backed up by things you and others have posted TODAY, not a lie.

So, where are all these lies? You're just mad because I don't like Trump. Just admit that, you don't like the fact that I don't believe that everything that guy is doing is magic. That, also doesn't mean I thought Biden or Clinton, or AOC or any other liberal boogeyman is better, or I agree with them, I in fact disagree 10000% more with those people than Trump.

I dislike populism, you are in the midst of it and love it. That's cool, it isn't my cup of tea. And until I get banned here, I'm free to voice my opinion, just as others can post Russian propaganda, anti-Catholic, or antisemitic views.

So, if you're so hot and bothered by it, then just click the ignore button, otherwise, stop complaining about it. If you would like to actually rebut anything I post, feel free to, but TDS!, you're an attention *****!, a drama queen! etc. isn't a rebuttal. It's childish and I personally think you are have shown to be more capable.

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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I just did, THERE ISN'T ONE anymore. They are all bad. The world has failed them, for stupid reasons.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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I just did, THERE ISN'T ONE anymore. They are all bad. The world has failed them, for stupid reasons.

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If it's going to end, there has to be an outcome, right? So, what would be a good outcome? Let me qualify "good"…. What outcome would be good enough to end this war?

Just an FYI, the Administration has to think this way to get this thing over…

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Mr. President, Ukraine did not “start” this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. The Road to Peace must be built on the Truth.🇺🇸🇺🇦

“Russia Invades Ukraine in Largest European Attack Since WWII” @FoxNews (February 24,… pic.twitter.com/HsWGdyCGOz

— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) February 19, 2025

Well said Mr. Vice President.

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Civ and his Republican support…

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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I just did, THERE ISN'T ONE anymore. They are all bad. The world has failed them, for stupid reasons.

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If it's going to end, there has to be an outcome, right? So, what would be a good outcome? Let me qualify "good"…. What outcome would be good enough to end this war?

Just an FYI, the Administration has to think this way to get this thing over…

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when you just want it over and don't care about the outcome, as Trump has demonstrated, what is good for Ukraine no longer matters, nor is it up to the people of Ukraine.

So I think that's where you and I are at an impasse. In this case the only good outcome is an end. But that outcome doesn't mean it's a good outcome for the future. It's just the inevitable, and a good outcome is how many concessions Trump agrees to to make it happen.

My definition of an acceptable outcome would be for Ukraine to continue to be allowed to have an army, but suspect that will be conceded by Trump.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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I just did, THERE ISN'T ONE anymore. They are all bad. The world has failed them, for stupid reasons.

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If it's going to end, there has to be an outcome, right? So, what would be a good outcome? Let me qualify "good"…. What outcome would be good enough to end this war?

Just an FYI, the Administration has to think this way to get this thing over…

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when you just want it over and don't care about the outcome, as Trump has demonstrated, what is good for Ukraine no longer matters, nor is it up to the people of Ukraine.

So I think that's where you and I are at an impasse. In this case the only good outcome is an end. But that outcome doesn't mean it's a good outcome for the future. It's just the inevitable, and a good outcome is how many concessions Trump agrees to to make it happen.

My definition of an acceptable outcome would be for Ukraine to continue to be allowed to have an army, but suspect that will be conceded by Trump.

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Hokie, honestly, can you provide an answer without trashing Trump? That's probably why you get labeled with TDS. A reasonable answer could have been…

An acceptable outcome could be for Ukraine to continue having and building a military. I don't think they will get their land base back, so, that could be tough for them, but inevitable.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?

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No, I don't think anyone expects Ukraine to remain within its current borders or gain any territory. For that, i blame the Biden administration for being wishy washy and not fully supporting Ukraine and getting the war to just a stalemate/slow loss. It is what it is.

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So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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Well, not starting off a negotiation with Russia by pandering to them would be a good start. There aren't any good options for Ukraine anymore, that ship sailed. Either the war stops here, and then in a few years, Putin will take over Ukraine because we've capitulated to a mad man, again, or Ukraine will elect another leader, who I promise you will not be a dove, and they will continue the war and eventually Putin will take over Ukraine.

Either way, a democratic county, whether we agree or not that it was a perfect democracy, or even one the US should support, will cease to be a democracy, and the standing of the US as a super power will be brought down a notch.

We have once again fell for Lucy (Putin) holding the football which Charlie Brown (the last 5 administrations) tries to hit the "reset" button with Russia. Whats the definition of instanity?

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Hokie, did you actually answer my question?

So, what would be a good outcome for Ukraine?

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I just did, THERE ISN'T ONE anymore. They are all bad. The world has failed them, for stupid reasons.

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If it's going to end, there has to be an outcome, right? So, what would be a good outcome? Let me qualify "good"…. What outcome would be good enough to end this war?

Just an FYI, the Administration has to think this way to get this thing over…

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when you just want it over and don't care about the outcome, as Trump has demonstrated, what is good for Ukraine no longer matters, nor is it up to the people of Ukraine.

So I think that's where you and I are at an impasse. In this case the only good outcome is an end. But that outcome doesn't mean it's a good outcome for the future. It's just the inevitable, and a good outcome is how many concessions Trump agrees to to make it happen.

My definition of an acceptable outcome would be for Ukraine to continue to be allowed to have an army, but suspect that will be conceded by Trump.

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Hokie, honestly, can you provide an answer without trashing Trump? That's probably why you get labeled with TDS. A reasonable answer could have been…

An acceptable outcome could be for Ukraine to continue having and building a military. I don't think they will get their land base back, so, that could be tough for them, but inevitable.

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im not bashing Trump, I take at face what the man has said and done in the.last couple of days. It's what he wants. Why saying that out loud is bashing Trump makes no sense to me.

Can I just point out this thread moved about 3 pages today without anything actionable happening? Maybe everyone should step back and let things actually happen before everyone freak out on both sides

Maybe Elon needs to check in with #daGobbler & #daNappy so that they can set Elon on firmer ground. They're both really smart, LOL.

According to the Social Security database, these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!

Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security 🤣🤣 pic.twitter.com/ltb06VX98Z

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 17, 2025

#daGobbler, #daSieve, #daNappy, Trump has told you many times over, "we have it all"

Yes, there are FAR more “eligible” social security numbers than there are citizens in the USA.

This might be the biggest fraud in history.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 17, 2025

The 3 blind mice can be quite amusing.

🚨💥This is screaming FRAUD! This is absolutely mind-blowing! WTH!@aidenHIKO is saying here that there are 394,943,364 million receiving SSN, and we have a total population of 334 million.💥
🚨Elon Musk: "Yes, there are far more eligible social security numbers than there are… https://t.co/RuHPFAiNIC

— LynneP (@LynneBP_294) February 17, 2025

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Can I just point out this thread moved about 3 pages today without anything actionable happening? Maybe everyone should step back and let things actually happen before everyone freak out on both sides

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In fairness our President saying Ukraine started the war and Zelensky is a dictator isn't nothing.

It's crazy messaging from the guy that should be leading the charge for democracy and Western institutions.

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The 3 blind mice can be quite amusing.

🚨💥This is screaming FRAUD! This is absolutely mind-blowing! WTH!@aidenHIKO is saying here that there are 394,943,364 million receiving SSN, and we have a total population of 334 million.💥
🚨Elon Musk: "Yes, there are far more eligible social security numbers than there are… https://t.co/RuHPFAiNIC

— LynneP (@LynneBP_294) February 17, 2025

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Alright, since they seem to have the means to make Social Security solvent again, it's time to move the full retirement age back to 65 as it was when I first entered the work force.

More of the same. Of course, #Gobbler, #Sieve and #Nappy will say.....what? How many more times do the "3 blind mice" cry wolf?

MSNBC: The Social Security Administration made ~$72 billion in improper payments over an eight-year period, according to an Inspector General audit.@jdbalart: "$72 billion — and that's without a comprehensive search! I mean, that's significant." pic.twitter.com/9D621F29Zf

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 18, 2025

WARNING! Our fears have come true: the globalist-liberal-Soros NGO network is fleeing to Brussels, after President Trump dealt a huge blow to their activities in the US. Now 63 of them are asking Brussels for money, under the guise of various human rights projects. Not going to happen! We will not let them find safe haven in Europe! The USAID-files exposed the dark practices of the globalist network. We will not take the bait again!

WARNING! Our fears have come true: the globalist-liberal-Soros NGO network is fleeing to Brussels, after President Trump dealt a huge blow to their activities in the US. Now 63 of them are asking Brussels for money, under the guise of various human rights projects. Not going to…

— Orbán Viktor (@PM_ViktorOrban) February 18, 2025

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Can I just point out this thread moved about 3 pages today without anything actionable happening? Maybe everyone should step back and let things actually happen before everyone freak out on both sides

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In fairness our President saying Ukraine started the war and Zelensky is a dictator isn't nothing.

It's crazy messaging from the guy that should be leading the charge for democracy and Western institutions.

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Ok, Trump says something crazy and stupid. Which he did.

How is that out of the ordinary for Trump?

Trump is such a grifter, right? How boutcha 3 blind mice, Trump's a grifter, right?

🚨MASSIVE BREAKING: President Trump says his administration is discussing giving 20% of ALL DOGE savings back to the American taxpayers:

"There's even under consideration a new concept where we give 20% of the DOGE savings to American citizens."

pic.twitter.com/mwolIpqMxo

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 19, 2025

EDS!!!!

https://instagr.am/p/DFsoHu6OiCj

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Can I just point out this thread moved about 3 pages today without anything actionable happening? Maybe everyone should step back and let things actually happen before everyone freak out on both sides

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In fairness our President saying Ukraine started the war and Zelensky is a dictator isn't nothing.

It's crazy messaging from the guy that should be leading the charge for democracy and Western institutions.

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Ok, Trump says something crazy and stupid. Which he did.

How is that out of the ordinary for Trump?

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Ok, so how has Ukraine responded?

Look, I'm not arguing that Trump hasn't done something stupid. He's had a terrible week (IMO). But what actionable bad thing has happened??

I'm not saying he deserves the benefit of doubt, but I'll let it play out first

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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Can I just point out this thread moved about 3 pages today without anything actionable happening? Maybe everyone should step back and let things actually happen before everyone freak out on both sides

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In fairness our President saying Ukraine started the war and Zelensky is a dictator isn't nothing.

It's crazy messaging from the guy that should be leading the charge for democracy and Western institutions.

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Ok, Trump says something crazy and stupid. Which he did.

How is that out of the ordinary for Trump?

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Ok, so how has Ukraine responded?

Look, I'm not arguing that Trump hasn't done something stupid. He's had a terrible week (IMO). But what actionable bad thing has happened??

I'm not saying he deserves the benefit of doubt, but I'll let it play out first

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Oh I was agreeing with you brother. Nothing I can say to that. It's not out of the ordinary at all, sadly.