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hokiewolf
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GuerrillaPack said:

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Germany was the home of Joseph Goebbels, the guy who literally invented the relentless gaslighting propaganda that you spew every day. It only took Germany a couple decades to go from the center of the civilized world to the Third Reich, and that's in a large part because of what you pretend is "free speech", but is actually just trying to normalize yelling "fire" in a crowded theater a thousand times a day.

I don't blame Germany for being hypersensitive about speech... they know exactly where we're heading.
Germany in WW2 are not the "monsters" we have been led to believe. They have massively lied about WW2 history and what really happened.

Do you know that the US Government imprisoned Japanese in concentration camps during WW2? The Germans did not mass murder those in their camps.

The victor's write "the history".
Lmao huh?
People died in the German concentration camps. But they were not murdered. They died overwhelmingly from starvation and disease, as Germany was being bombed into the stone age and supply lines cut. German civilians were starving near the end of the war too, because of that. And there were more non-jews in those camps than jews.

Did the fact that the U.S. Government put 120,000 Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during WW2 mean that the US Government intended them any harm? Same for those in the German camps. They were interned because they were considered "threats" in a war-time environment.
bro, that's literally murder. You hold someone against their will and then you don't take care of them, you have caused their death. That is murder. Regardless, you excuse that they were just put on gas chambers for their health is in direct contradiction of hey, some of them just starved to death or got sick. Why don't care if they have lice?

Additionally, there is troves of evidence to the contrary from German sources. You are an antisemitic fool.
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hokiewolf said:

GuerrillaPack said:

jkpackfan said:

GuerrillaPack said:

SmaptyWolf said:


Germany was the home of Joseph Goebbels, the guy who literally invented the relentless gaslighting propaganda that you spew every day. It only took Germany a couple decades to go from the center of the civilized world to the Third Reich, and that's in a large part because of what you pretend is "free speech", but is actually just trying to normalize yelling "fire" in a crowded theater a thousand times a day.

I don't blame Germany for being hypersensitive about speech... they know exactly where we're heading.
Germany in WW2 are not the "monsters" we have been led to believe. They have massively lied about WW2 history and what really happened.

Do you know that the US Government imprisoned Japanese in concentration camps during WW2? The Germans did not mass murder those in their camps.

The victor's write "the history".
Lmao huh?
People died in the German concentration camps. But they were not murdered. They died overwhelmingly from starvation and disease, as Germany was being bombed into the stone age and supply lines cut. German civilians were starving near the end of the war too, because of that. And there were more non-jews in those camps than jews.

Did the fact that the U.S. Government put 120,000 Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during WW2 mean that the US Government intended them any harm? Same for those in the German camps. They were interned because they were considered "threats" in a war-time environment.
bro, that's literally murder. You hold someone against their will and then you don't take care of them, you have caused their death. That is murder. Regardless, you excuse that they were just put on gas chambers for their health is in direct contradiction of hey, some of them just starved to death or got sick. Why don't care if they have lice?

Additionally, there is troves of evidence to the contrary from German sources. You are an antisemitic fool.
Why are you are using a stupid lame smear term and resorting to name-calling smear tactics if your position here is "so strong" on this issue?

The Germans WERE taking care of the people in the camps. Those camps even had recreation facilities in them for the inmates and such. You don't do that for people that you plan to murder. When you look at photographs of those who had died in the camps, most were actually typhus victims and victims of starvation. That is why they were skinny. It was not like they had healthy people there (with good body weight) being "killed in gas chambers". It was all skinny victims of disease and starvation.

It is NOT murder if you are housing people in a camp and then the ENTIRE COUNTRY is bombed to the stone age and it is impossible to get food and supplies shipped around. As I mentioned in the post you quoted, the German civilians (in towns all over the country) were also starving during this time, due to the breakdown in conditions inside the country.

The US Govt put 120,000 Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WW2. If, hypothetically, our entire nation was being bombed and we didn't have enough food to go around, it would NOT classify as "murder" if people in the camps died.
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DOGE is at SEC this week. This clip is too funny, the irony.

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GuerrillaPack said:

hokiewolf said:

GuerrillaPack said:

jkpackfan said:

GuerrillaPack said:

SmaptyWolf said:


Germany was the home of Joseph Goebbels, the guy who literally invented the relentless gaslighting propaganda that you spew every day. It only took Germany a couple decades to go from the center of the civilized world to the Third Reich, and that's in a large part because of what you pretend is "free speech", but is actually just trying to normalize yelling "fire" in a crowded theater a thousand times a day.

I don't blame Germany for being hypersensitive about speech... they know exactly where we're heading.
Germany in WW2 are not the "monsters" we have been led to believe. They have massively lied about WW2 history and what really happened.

Do you know that the US Government imprisoned Japanese in concentration camps during WW2? The Germans did not mass murder those in their camps.

The victor's write "the history".
Lmao huh?
People died in the German concentration camps. But they were not murdered. They died overwhelmingly from starvation and disease, as Germany was being bombed into the stone age and supply lines cut. German civilians were starving near the end of the war too, because of that. And there were more non-jews in those camps than jews.

Did the fact that the U.S. Government put 120,000 Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during WW2 mean that the US Government intended them any harm? Same for those in the German camps. They were interned because they were considered "threats" in a war-time environment.
bro, that's literally murder. You hold someone against their will and then you don't take care of them, you have caused their death. That is murder. Regardless, you excuse that they were just put on gas chambers for their health is in direct contradiction of hey, some of them just starved to death or got sick. Why don't care if they have lice?

Additionally, there is troves of evidence to the contrary from German sources. You are an antisemitic fool.
Why are you are using a stupid lame smear term and resorting to name-calling smear tactics if your position here is "so strong" on this issue?

The Germans WERE taking care of the people in the camps. Those camps even had recreation facilities in them for the inmates and such. You don't do that for people that you plan to murder. When you look at photographs of those who had died in the camps, most were actually typhus victims and victims of starvation. That is why they were skinny. It was not like they had healthy people there (with good body weight) being "killed in gas chambers". It was all skinny victims of disease and starvation.

It is NOT murder if you are housing people in a camp and then the ENTIRE COUNTRY is bombed to the stone age and it is impossible to get food and supplies shipped around. As I mentioned in the post you quoted, the German civilians (in towns all over the country) were also starving during this time, due to the breakdown in conditions inside the country.

The US Govt put 120,000 Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WW2. If, hypothetically, our entire nation was being bombed and we didn't have enough food to go around, it would NOT classify as "murder" if people in the camps died.
you are a holocaust denier, that makes you an antisemite. You seem to be proud of it to. So just own your badge.

Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!

I've got some bad news for you buddy, The holocaust still would have happened and would have been far worse if the allies didn't bomb Germany.

You are a doofus.
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hokiewolf said:



you are a holocaust denier, that makes you an antisemite. You seem to be proud of it to. So just own your badge.

Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!

I've got some bad news for you buddy, The holocaust still would have happened and would have been far worse if the allies didn't bomb Germany.

You are a doofus.

Blah blah. I don't care about your lame smear terms. Your name-calling means nothing to me.

Your "argumentation" consisting of lame name-calling it pathetic and reeks of desperation.
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GuerrillaPack said:

hokiewolf said:



you are a holocaust denier, that makes you an antisemite. You seem to be proud of it to. So just own your badge.

Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!

I've got some bad news for you buddy, The holocaust still would have happened and would have been far worse if the allies didn't bomb Germany.

You are a doofus.

Blah blah. I don't care about your lame smear terms. Your name-calling means nothing to me.

Your "argumentation" consisting of lame name-calling it pathetic and reeks of desperation.

ok in your hypothetical of if the Japanese bombed the US you know what the US would have done to the interment camps? I can tell you, they would have treated those people humanely instead of sticking them in ovens. You seemed bothered that I call you an antisemite. If you would like that to stop, then stop blaming Jews for everything and denying the holocaust happened and I'd be more than happy to change my tune.
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"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....

Edit to add... this says Germany did not have free speech laws when Nazis rose to power..... interesting.

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hokiewolf said:




ok in your hypothetical of if the Japanese bombed the US you know what the US would have done to the interment camps? I can tell you, they would have treated those people humanely instead of sticking them in ovens. You seemed bothered that I call you an antisemite. If you would like that to stop, then stop blaming Jews for everything and denying the holocaust happened and I'd be more than happy to change my tune.
Yes, there were crematory ovens in the camps. That in and of itself is obviously not proof of any intent to murder anyone. It was simply a way to dispose of those who died in the camps (from disease, etc), especially with typhus a big problem, and to prevent spread of disease in disposing of the dead bodies. But there were NOWHERE near enough of them to cremate "6 million" bodies. There were only a couple crematory ovens in each camp...and it takes about 3 hours to fully cremate a body even with today's technology.

I don't give a rats arse if you call me an anti-semi-septite or whatever. Or if you call me a doofus (lol). Actually, no....I'm glad you think your lame smear terms have "power". So, no...please don't stop. Keep your hysterical, desperate name-calling and insults coming.



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GuerrillaPack said:

hokiewolf said:




ok in your hypothetical of if the Japanese bombed the US you know what the US would have done to the interment camps? I can tell you, they would have treated those people humanely instead of sticking them in ovens. You seemed bothered that I call you an antisemite. If you would like that to stop, then stop blaming Jews for everything and denying the holocaust happened and I'd be more than happy to change my tune.
Yes, there were crematory ovens in the camps. That in and of itself is obviously not proof of any intent to murder anyone. It was simply a way to dispose of those who died in the camps (from disease, etc), especially with typhus a big problem, and to prevent spread of disease in disposing of the dead bodies. But there were NOWHERE near enough of them to cremate "6 million" bodies. There were only a couple crematory ovens in each camp...and it takes about 3 hours to fully cremate a body even with today's technology.

I don't give a rats arse if you call me an anti-semi-septite or whatever. Or if you call me a doofus (lol). Actually, no....I'm glad you think your lame smear terms have "power". So, no...please don't stop. Keep your hysterical, desperate name-calling and insults coming.




they just baked cookies in those ovens.
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What a day for CBS News. Scary to think what they would have run if Kamala had won.

Main stream media/Legacy News is dead.

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The Azov Battalion is the primary special forces wing of the Ukraine military is Nazi. Their logo is very similar to the Nazi's swastika. Stepan Bandera, a WW2 Nazi collaborator, believed to have helped the German SS round up Jews in Ukraine. With this being true, has the US not been supporting a Nazi-leaning regime in Ukraine?
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Starmer supports Ukraine but does all he can do to stand in the way of #MAGA ideals in GB. Starmer must be a fan of the Azov Battalion and Zelensky. Of course, he'll send GB's sons to die there for the Nazi cause.
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packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
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I'm sure it is "funny to you". Populists!!!

Zzzzzzz

Clown show.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
#Gobbler is fine sending $170B to Ukraine for the Nazi/Azov cause ......he magically gets a pass, right?
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packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
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SmaptyWolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
LOLOL

Smapty has so little self awareness. He is literally the epitome of the Democrats that call you what they are. Absolutely hilarious.

Congrats on your proud support of Nazi governance, smapty. You are an embarrassment.

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GP, I appreciate you and your commentary. That said, I do have different opinions are several issues. Regarding the Jews, in concentration camps, well... you've lost me.

The pure documentation that I've seen shows the unsavory actions the Hitler regime had towards Jews. Now, I have no idea whether you're anti-semetic or not; however, you are getting labeled because of your post, right or wrong.

I would encourage you to provide alternative information that supports your opinions, and/or theories about the deaths of Jews. For me, everything you are asserting is completed unfounded...
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
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caryking said:


GP, I appreciate you and your commentary. That said, I do have different opinions are several issues. Regarding the Jews, in concentration camps, well... you've lost me.

The pure documentation that I've seen shows the unsavory actions the Hitler regime had towards Jews. Now, I have no idea whether you're anti-semetic or not; however, you are getting labeled because of your post, right or wrong.

I would encourage you to provide alternative information that supports your opinions, and/or theories about the deaths of Jews. For me, everything you are asserting is completed unfounded...
"Aside from you being a raging antisemite and a flat-Earther, I really think you bring a lot to the conversation!"

Welcome to the Water Cooler!

/facepalm
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packgrad said:

SmaptyWolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
LOLOL

Smapty has so little self awareness. He is literally the epitome of the Democrats that call you what they are. Absolutely hilarious.

Congrats on your proud support of Nazi governance, smapty. You are an embarrassment.


The problem with he/she's argument is that the only free speech, in Germany was coming from Goebbel's and any of his acolytes. Alternative voices were shut down. In the US, that is NOT free speech.
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
Evidence: "January 6th was nothing more than a picnic." Go try to challenge that in the MAGA movement and see how quickly you get shut down. If you say the lie long enough, eventually it will be believed.
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caryking said:

packgrad said:

SmaptyWolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
LOLOL

Smapty has so little self awareness. He is literally the epitome of the Democrats that call you what they are. Absolutely hilarious.

Congrats on your proud support of Nazi governance, smapty. You are an embarrassment.


The problem with he/she's argument is that the only free speech, in Germany was coming from Goebbel's and any of his acolytes. Alternative voices were shut down. In the US, that is NOT free speech.
You're confusing the years-long period that the Nazi party came into power with the Third Reich after it had power and did shut down opposing views. We're still in the "before" period, when people will look bad and ask what could have been done to stop that.

Of course MAGA would love nothing more that to march all of the mainstream media to prison once they get the power, but that's still just a twinkle in your eye for the moment. Stay tuned.
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SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

packgrad said:

SmaptyWolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
LOLOL

Smapty has so little self awareness. He is literally the epitome of the Democrats that call you what they are. Absolutely hilarious.

Congrats on your proud support of Nazi governance, smapty. You are an embarrassment.


The problem with he/she's argument is that the only free speech, in Germany was coming from Goebbel's and any of his acolytes. Alternative voices were shut down. In the US, that is NOT free speech.
You're confusing the years-long period that the Nazi party came into power with the Third Reich after it had power and did shut down opposing views. We're still in the "before" period, when people will look bad and ask what could have been done to stop that.

Of course MAGA would love nothing more that to march all of the mainstream media to prison once they get the power, but that's still just a twinkle in your eye for the moment. Stay tuned.
I can say the same thing about the far left too. Try being a "cis white male" at a DEI training and trying to challenge that nonsense.
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
Evidence: "January 6th was nothing more than a picnic." Go try to challenge that in the MAGA movement and see how quickly you get shut down. If you say the lie long enough, eventually it will be believed.
Lovely day for a picnic!

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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
Evidence: "January 6th was nothing more than a picnic." Go try to challenge that in the MAGA movement and see how quickly you get shut down. If you say the lie long enough, eventually it will be believed.
You are comparing people you despise, MAGA, shutting you down in conversation with government shutting you down and arresting you. Godalmighty, man. Worst "both sides do it" in quite a while.

What ridiculous "evidence" for a terrible argument.
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
Evidence: "January 6th was nothing more than a picnic." Go try to challenge that in the MAGA movement and see how quickly you get shut down. If you say the lie long enough, eventually it will be believed.
You are comparing people you despise, MAGA, shutting you down in conversation with government shutting you down and arresting you. Godalmighty, man. Worst "both sides do it" in quite a while.

What ridiculous "evidence" for a terrible argument.
We're only an executive order away my friend.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You give GP too much credit for a coherent thought like that

Smarty doesn't get a pass, but it's funny to me we're all concerned about free speech all of a sudden. I would argue that the far left and far right both do more to suppress speech they don't like. Again, another problem with a populist movement.
The new boogie man... Populist!!

Hokie, that position is baseless, unless you can provide substantial evidence to support it. Now, I will admit, people from all likes will try and ban free-speech. That doesn't mean it's the Populist.
Evidence: "January 6th was nothing more than a picnic." Go try to challenge that in the MAGA movement and see how quickly you get shut down. If you say the lie long enough, eventually it will be believed.
You are comparing people you despise, MAGA, shutting you down in conversation with government shutting you down and arresting you. Godalmighty, man. Worst "both sides do it" in quite a while.

What ridiculous "evidence" for a terrible argument.
We're only an executive order away my friend.
You should just say "I was wrong" instead of doubling down on this stupid comparison.
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GuerrillaPack said:

Oldsouljer said:



Yes, a bit of explanation is in order. Incredible claims is why the WC gets the eye rolls on the other forums.
Just typed one.

And why is an "explanation in order" for anything?

I don't "have" to explain why I have any opinion. I have the right to my opinion.
You do indeed. However, in attempting to assist you in promoting veracity around here, I said what I said for the purpose of finding some backing for your opinion. Yes, you didn't ask me to do that and yes, I butted in. Can't help it sometimes, I'm a teacher at heart. I'm sure you had math teachers who told you to "show your work."
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hokiewolf said:

SmaptyWolf said:

caryking said:

packgrad said:

SmaptyWolf said:

packgrad said:

"Cool, so it's all the fault of the allies and not the fact that Germany started the war in the first place. If only we hadn't bombed Germany the holocaust wouldn't have happened!"

Maybe GW is slow playing it to say "HAHA! This is the same logic one can use to justify the gutting of USAID, NIH, IRS, FBI, CIA, securing the border, etc. Without the swamp and endless hidden corrupt back room deals, there probably never would have been Trump as president, and most certainly wouldn't have needed a gutting of these agencies if run properly."

Otherwise I don't know where he's going with this concentration camp argument. That is a new one to me.

Think it's interesting that smapty gets a pass for supporting Nazi like governing from Germany. They had free speech back then too, until Nazis got power. Another example of them calling you what they are perhaps....
You seem to lack the brain cells to put this together. Germany became the Third Reich exactly because Goebbels realized you can yell "FIRE!!!" in a theater over and over and eventually people will go along with anything. Unfortunately the human brain is very easy to hack.

You guys have been subjected to an echo chamber of ever increasing "up is down" bullsh** for a couple decades, and now we have a raging MAGA movement goose stepping behind a con man that wants to dismantle America. Of course the people responsible for this propaganda machine attack any effort to combat it by bawling about "free speech".
LOLOL

Smapty has so little self awareness. He is literally the epitome of the Democrats that call you what they are. Absolutely hilarious.

Congrats on your proud support of Nazi governance, smapty. You are an embarrassment.


The problem with he/she's argument is that the only free speech, in Germany was coming from Goebbel's and any of his acolytes. Alternative voices were shut down. In the US, that is NOT free speech.
You're confusing the years-long period that the Nazi party came into power with the Third Reich after it had power and did shut down opposing views. We're still in the "before" period, when people will look bad and ask what could have been done to stop that.

Of course MAGA would love nothing more that to march all of the mainstream media to prison once they get the power, but that's still just a twinkle in your eye for the moment. Stay tuned.
I can say the same thing about the far left too. Try being a "cis white male" at a DEI training and trying to challenge that nonsense.
Cool, call me when you ever hear a Dem politician or anyone who isn't a 20-something activist in Portland say the term "cis white male" with a straight face.

Hilariously, pretty much the only place you ever hear "cis white male" is on conservative media, because it's their job to conflate the looniest corners of the left with the mainstream in order to "both sides" the radical crap that is now mainstream "conservatism".
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LOL, both Smapty and Packgrad mad at me for the same argument
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Gotta love it. Dems used to just want to get rid of the 2nd amendment. Now they want to get rid of the 1st and the 2nd.

It's truly no surprise they are polling so poorly. They're anti American.
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hokiewolf said:

LOL, both Smapty and Packgrad mad at me for the same argument


Nit even close. But when have you ever had integrity? Lying clown.
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Oldsouljer said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Oldsouljer said:



Yes, a bit of explanation is in order. Incredible claims is why the WC gets the eye rolls on the other forums.
Just typed one.

And why is an "explanation in order" for anything?

I don't "have" to explain why I have any opinion. I have the right to my opinion.
You do indeed. However, in attempting to assist you in promoting veracity around here, I said what I said for the purpose of finding some backing for your opinion. Yes, you didn't ask me to do that and yes, I butted in. Can't help it sometimes, I'm a teacher at heart. I'm sure you had math teachers who told you to "show your work."
All good.
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This.

The only reason to behave the way Musk is behaving is because he wants to ruin trust in government/institution and/or has a savior complex. .

If he wanted to engender trust and transparency and effect sensible change he'd audit the information, define the problem, and arrive at a solution prior to breathlessly getting on his megaphone to the world.

Musk is the kid that didn't have friends that wants to be liked/loved/seen as a savior so badly and he doesn't care what collateral damage covering up his insecurities on the world stage causes.
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