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wolf5 said:

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Inflation up for January. Damn shame, thought we were getting over this.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-inflation-stock-market-02-12-2025

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with the tarriffs it's only going up from here.

I certainly dont understand this.

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erniencsu02 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Everything you said here is a COMPLETE LIE and180 DEGREES DIFFERENT THAN REALITY.

Commie libtards live in an alternate reality of upside down world.

You know, Marxist dystopia wonderland where there are 70 genders, unborn children "are not human beings" but "only a clump of cells", and cutting your 10 year old son's p**** off and having a drag queen give him a lap dance is "wonderful".

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Leave your fantasies out of this.

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hokiewolf said:

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Then why lie in public about fraud?

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GuerrillaPack said:

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erniencsu02 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Everything you said here is a COMPLETE LIE and180 DEGREES DIFFERENT THAN REALITY.

Commie libtards live in an alternate reality of upside down world.

You know, Marxist dystopia wonderland where there are 70 genders, unborn children "are not human beings" but "only a clump of cells", and cutting your 10 year old son's p**** off and having a drag queen give him a lap dance is "wonderful".

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Leave your fantasies out of this.

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LMFAO

You guys just can't stop LYING, PROJECTING, and using the Saul Alinsky tactic of accusing your opponents of what YOU are doing....can you??

No...it's communist libtarded perverts who support this transgender insanity and forcing school children to be groomed by abominable Sodomite pervert drag queens, and take their young children to be given lap dances by drag queens and see drag queens prancing and dancing naked at Sodomite "parades".

YOU guys on the Left are the sick perverts, and you know it.

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erniencsu02 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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erniencsu02 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Everything you said here is a COMPLETE LIE and180 DEGREES DIFFERENT THAN REALITY.

Commie libtards live in an alternate reality of upside down world.

You know, Marxist dystopia wonderland where there are 70 genders, unborn children "are not human beings" but "only a clump of cells", and cutting your 10 year old son's p**** off and having a drag queen give him a lap dance is "wonderful".

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Leave your fantasies out of this.

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LMFAO

You guys just can't stop LYING, PROJECTING, and using the Saul Alinsky tactic of accusing your opponents of what YOU are doing....can you??

No...it's communist libtarded perverts who support this transgender insanity and forcing school children to be groomed by abominable Sodomite pervert drag queens, and take their young children to be given lap dances by drag queens and see drag queens prancing and dancing naked at Sodomite "parades".

YOU guys on the Left are the sick perverts, and you know it.

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youre talkin to the wrong one. I dont like either side. I think your two peas in a pod.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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erniencsu02 said:

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wolf5 said:

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Inflation up for January. Damn shame, thought we were getting over this.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-inflation-stock-market-02-12-2025

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with the tarriffs it's only going up from here.

I certainly dont understand this.

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At worst, tariffs only cause a SHORT TERM inflation. But that is only for foreign goods. There are domestically-produced goods of the same type that are not affected by tariffs. So just don't buy the cheap Chinese garbage, and you'll be fine.

Long term, tariffs are beneficial, because companies will shift from overseas manufacturing to domestic manufacturing, bringing jobs to America. And prices of virtually all goods will then not be inflated by tariffs, because they will be produced domestically.

Other nations have tariffs too. They serve a purpose. The European Union, for instance, has heavy tariffs on many goods produced in the United States.

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You don't understand tariffs then. It has been consistently shown that tariffs allow domestic producers to raise prices. Feel free to go back in this thread and read all the posts you probably skipped that explain why this happens with protectionist tariffs. In fact, the first thing that Javier Mieli did when he took office in Argentina was eliminate protectionist tariffs and the economy in Argentina picked up.

Additionally, tariffs on steel and aluminum in Trumps first term saved about 1000 jobs in the steel and aluminum industry. Guess how many jobs were lost because the prices for steel and aluminum went up for the down stream manufacturers that purchase that raw product? About 75,000.

The EU doesn't have heavy tariffs, they have a VAT, which is different and probably more effective with what you want to accomplish.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In general, it is much better from an economic perspective as well as a national security perspective to have domestic manufacturing of goods.

The entire reason that companies produce goods overseas and then ship them inside the U.S. for sale is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. They are utilizing dirt cheap foreign labor and then passing on that cost savings as profit for the fat cat owners of the companies. Similar domestically-produced products cost only a little bit more, but the labor inside the United States that produces those products is paid much better wages. Not as much profit is being made.

Having manufacturing inside the United States is better for U.S. workers. Look aback to the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the automobile/steel industries allowed U.S. citizens to make good wages and live a good middle-class life style. Ever since things like NAFTA shipping manufacturing overseas, U.S. worker's inflation-adjusted wages, and the size of the middle class has declined severely.

Tariffs are a way to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States, and increase the wages and standard of living of American citizens.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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erniencsu02 said:

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Inflation up for January. Damn shame, thought we were getting over this.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-inflation-stock-market-02-12-2025

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with the tarriffs it's only going up from here.

I certainly dont understand this.

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At worst, tariffs only cause a SHORT TERM inflation. But that is only for foreign goods. There are domestically-produced goods of the same type that are not affected by tariffs. So just don't buy the cheap Chinese garbage, and you'll be fine.

Long term, tariffs are beneficial, because companies will shift from overseas manufacturing to domestic manufacturing, bringing jobs to America. And prices of virtually all goods will then not be inflated by tariffs, because they will be produced domestically.

Other nations have tariffs too. They serve a purpose. The European Union, for instance, has heavy tariffs on many goods produced in the United States.

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You don't understand tariffs then. It has been consistently shown that tariffs allow domestic producers to raise prices. Feel free to go back in this thread and read all the posts you probably skipped that explain why this happens with protectionist tariffs. In fact, the first thing that Javier Mieli did when he took office in Argentina was eliminate protectionist tariffs and the economy in Argentina picked up.

Additionally, tariffs on steel and aluminum in Trumps first term saved about 1000 jobs in the steel and aluminum industry. Guess how many jobs were lost because the prices for steel and aluminum went up for the down stream manufacturers that purchase that raw product? About 75,000.

The EU doesn't have heavy tariffs, they have a VAT, which is different and probably more effective with what you want to accomplish.

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Well, that's like your opinion.

The Founding Fathers supported the use of tariffs. But I'm sure Leftists like you think that the Founding Fathers were a bunch of "racist old white men" who "didn't know anything" and who's ideas are "outdated'".....right?

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Wow, I didn't any of that. you said that domestic produced goods are not affected by tariffs, they are, and it's been proven. I'll give you another example:

Lets take cars and trucks for example. Manufactured in the US, right? Well, they're made of steel and aluminum (Ford F150). There is like one aluminum smelter in the US. We get the majority of our aluminum from Canada. Guess what? Aluminum prices are going to go up, and the price of the vehicle is going to go up. Also, guess what! Not every component and widget for a domestically manufactured car is made in the US. So, all those pieces and parts are now subject to tariffs and therefore the cost of your domestically. produced vehicle goes up.

Again, this isn't my opinion, it's fact based on data and research, which you are welcome to go back in this thread at the many posts that prove this or look up yourself.

You can also look up the Jones Act and the Buy American Act, the ultimate protectionist policy and see how that has raised prices for goods and services without any benefit to the US Maritime Industry. In fact, it has hampered not only domestic ship building for cargo ships and US Navy vessels because these acts don't allow for normal collaboration between foreign and domestic contracting partners. It's why it takes so damn long and it's so costly to build a Navy vessel.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In general, it is much better from an economic perspective as well as a national security perspective to have domestic manufacturing of goods.

The entire reason that companies produce goods overseas and then ship them inside the U.S. for sale is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. They are utilizing dirt cheap foreign labor and then passing on that cost savings as profit for the fat cat owners of the companies. Similar domestically-produced products cost only a little bit more, but the labor inside the United States that produces those products is paid much better wages. Not as much profit is being made.

Having manufacturing inside the United States is better for U.S. workers. Look aback to the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the automobile/steel industries allowed U.S. citizens to make good wages and live a good middle-class life style. Ever since things like NAFTA shipping manufacturing overseas, U.S. worker's inflation-adjusted wages, and the size of the middle class has declined severely.

Tariffs are a way to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States, and increase the wages and standard of living of American citizens.

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

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Civilized said:

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Here come the higher interest rates, which will further cool the housing market. Fantastic.

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wolf5 said:

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Inflation up for January. Damn shame, thought we were getting over this.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-inflation-stock-market-02-12-2025

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USAID: The swamp is deep. One of the activist judges blocking Trump's agenda, Judge John Bates, is married to the founder of a USAID-funded NGO. Carol Rhees is a Democrat lawyer who started Hope for Children in Ethiopia a long-time USAID grant recipient.

h/t @pepesgrandma pic.twitter.com/i51Q05dtRC

— @amuse (@amuse) February 12, 2025

hokiewolf said:

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In general, it is much better from an economic perspective as well as a national security perspective to have domestic manufacturing of goods.

The entire reason that companies produce goods overseas and then ship them inside the U.S. for sale is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. They are utilizing dirt cheap foreign labor and then passing on that cost savings as profit for the fat cat owners of the companies. Similar domestically-produced products cost only a little bit more, but the labor inside the United States that produces those products is paid much better wages. Not as much profit is being made.

Having manufacturing inside the United States is better for U.S. workers. Look aback to the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the automobile/steel industries allowed U.S. citizens to make good wages and live a good middle-class life style. Ever since things like NAFTA shipping manufacturing overseas, U.S. worker's inflation-adjusted wages, and the size of the middle class has declined severely.

Tariffs are a way to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States, and increase the wages and standard of living of American citizens.

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

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Oh, wow...your little factoids are really proving a lot. LOL. And proving how much "smarter you are than me", right? LOL

The reality is that good U.S. manufacturing jobs have been severely negatively impacted by the moving of large amounts of domestic manufacturing to overseas.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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packgrad said:

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LOLOLOL


Such a good foot soldier. He's even using the "submissive Trump" narrative!!! Poor civ.

He's for getting rid of fraud. Just not if done by Elon and Trump. So stupid.

Also love his faux narrative that Dem judges are not blocking Trump. Just republican appointed judges. Does that dude ever stop lying?

Truly hope the mentally ill eventually seek the help they need. These guys would rather be stolen from then have the criminals stopped by Trump, Elon, and their 20 year old non minority non transgender analysts.

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LOLOL

Elon and DOGE haven't reported any actual, consequential fraud. So far all there's been is grandstanding and fake Russian bot stories about USAID brass making $20MM a year and USAID giving tens of millions to actors, Jeff Epstein (oops, different Jeff Epstein), $50MM in rubbers to Hamas in Gaza (oops, different Gaza), Chelsea Clinton (oops, that was to a charitable nonprofit, not her personally) and on and on.

Is this seeming familiar to you? Sure feels a lot like all the fake electoral fraud stories y'all fell for back in 2020 and that has infected the brains of way too many people in this country right up to today.

My suggestion is a diligent analysis of operations across the federal government by professional forensic auditors, and then a businesslike series of reports being published, revealing all the inefficiencies, misallocations, administrative errors, fraud if they find it, etc..

As it stands, having Musk amplify and repeat bull**** reports of "fraud" is totally counterproductive and crushes any trust most of America could otherwise have in this process.

And maybe you haven't noticed this, but judges of all political stripes are blocking Trump.

Sure seems like the theme is the Trump administration overstepping the bounds of executive power, and not the judges being activists, no?

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Everything you said here is a COMPLETE LIE and180 DEGREES DIFFERENT THAN REALITY.

Commie libtards live in an alternate reality of upside down world.

You know, Marxist dystopia wonderland where there are 70 genders, unborn children "are not human beings" but "only a clump of cells", and cutting your 10 year old son's p**** off and having a drag queen give him a lap dance is "wonderful".

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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Only a small number of people can get those 150k R&D jobs. The reality of the world in America right now is that wages and the middle class is dying.

We need to return to the policies of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s with good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the United States....where LARGE numbers of people can make decent, livable wages.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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Only a small number of people can get those 150k R&D jobs. The reality of the world in America right now is that wages and the middle class is dying.

We need to return to the policies of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s with good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the United States....where LARGE numbers of people can make decent, livable wages.

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$17/hr x 2080 hours = $35,360/year. Livable wage indeed. Hell, lets go to the far end of it, $25/hr x 2080 = $52,000/yr. Better, I suppose.

A large number of people can get service industry jobs that pay better. You can get $35/hr in construction, which needs workers badly.

You are stuck in the past my friend, we don't live in the 50s, 60s, and 70s anymore. The economy has evolved.

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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LOLOLOL


Such a good foot soldier. He's even using the "submissive Trump" narrative!!! Poor civ.

He's for getting rid of fraud. Just not if done by Elon and Trump. So stupid.

Also love his faux narrative that Dem judges are not blocking Trump. Just republican appointed judges. Does that dude ever stop lying?

Truly hope the mentally ill eventually seek the help they need. These guys would rather be stolen from then have the criminals stopped by Trump, Elon, and their 20 year old non minority non transgender analysts.

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LOLOL

Elon and DOGE haven't reported any actual, consequential fraud. So far all there's been is grandstanding and fake Russian bot stories about USAID brass making $20MM a year and USAID giving tens of millions to actors, Jeff Epstein (oops, different Jeff Epstein), $50MM in rubbers to Hamas in Gaza (oops, different Gaza), Chelsea Clinton (oops, that was to a charitable nonprofit, not her personally) and on and on.

Is this seeming familiar to you? Sure feels a lot like all the fake electoral fraud stories y'all fell for back in 2020 and that has infected the brains of way too many people in this country right up to today.

My suggestion is a diligent analysis of operations across the federal government by professional forensic auditors, and then a businesslike series of reports being published, revealing all the inefficiencies, misallocations, administrative errors, fraud if they find it, etc..

As it stands, having Musk amplify and repeat bull**** reports of "fraud" is totally counterproductive and crushes any trust most of America could otherwise have in this process.

And maybe you haven't noticed this, but judges of all political stripes are blocking Trump.

Sure seems like the theme is the Trump administration overstepping the bounds of executive power, and not the judges being activists, no?

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Everything you said here is a COMPLETE LIE and180 DEGREES DIFFERENT THAN REALITY.

Commie libtards live in an alternate reality of upside down world.

You know, Marxist dystopia wonderland where there are 70 genders, unborn children "are not human beings" but "only a clump of cells", and cutting your 10 year old son's p**** off and having a drag queen give him a lap dance is "wonderful".

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Tell me exactly what I said that's a lie again.

And regarding trans issues and drag queens I can't fathom spending most of your time and emotional energy on edge cases that personally impact a small fraction of 1% of the country instead of the broader issues that impact all of us and all of our kids.

People in 100 years will be positively astounded that we, in this time in America right now, spend so much time discussing drag queens. Drag queens, man. I've never known a drag queen. I've never known a kid that's seen a drag show. I've never seen a drag show. Most people I know have never seen one and wouldn't know how to find one even if they wanted to.

Do you have kids? Are they teenagers? It is impossible for teenagers to care less about drag queens, queers, or sex changes. They've got a bunch of things to think about and worry about, and these ain't it.

All these things you spend so much time hand-wringing over under the guise of protecting kids are not things actual kids actually spend one second of most days worrying about or even thinking about.

Take that same energy and spend on worrying about health care, school shootings, the job market, home ownership, scientific and technology research and advancement.

In other words, stuff that actually impacts young people entering the world and workplace, and also impacts the rest of us.

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packgrad said:

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LOLOLOL


Such a good foot soldier. He's even using the "submissive Trump" narrative!!! Poor civ.

He's for getting rid of fraud. Just not if done by Elon and Trump. So stupid.

Also love his faux narrative that Dem judges are not blocking Trump. Just republican appointed judges. Does that dude ever stop lying?

Truly hope the mentally ill eventually seek the help they need. These guys would rather be stolen from then have the criminals stopped by Trump, Elon, and their 20 year old non minority non transgender analysts.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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Only a small number of people can get those 150k R&D jobs. The reality of the world in America right now is that wages and the middle class is dying.

We need to return to the policies of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s with good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the United States....where LARGE numbers of people can make decent, livable wages.

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$17/hr x 2080 hours = $35,360/year. Livable wage indeed. Hell, lets go to the far end of it, $25/hr x 2080 = $52,000/yr. Better, I suppose.

A large number of people can get service industry jobs that pay better. You can get $35/hr in construction, which needs workers badly.

You are stuck in the past my friend, we don't live in the 50s, 60s, and 70s anymore. The economy has evolved.

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Wages will increase much higher than $17/hour who good-paying manufacturing jobs return, and cheap domestic competition has tariffs placed on it. You are just ASSUMING that is as high as they will go.

Yeah, the economy has sure evolved al right...FOR THE WORSE. It is an indisputable fact that the middle class is rapidly declining over the past 30-40 years, with inflation adjusted wages not keeping up with inflation and the cost of living, and with the moving of good-paying manufacturing jobs overseas playing a significant role in hurting middle class jobs.

The policies of the past were better. The "evolving" policies of today are WORSE for the middle class and for the nation as a whole.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In general, it is much better from an economic perspective as well as a national security perspective to have domestic manufacturing of goods.

The entire reason that companies produce goods overseas and then ship them inside the U.S. for sale is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. They are utilizing dirt cheap foreign labor and then passing on that cost savings as profit for the fat cat owners of the companies. Similar domestically-produced products cost only a little bit more, but the labor inside the United States that produces those products is paid much better wages. Not as much profit is being made.

Having manufacturing inside the United States is better for U.S. workers. Look aback to the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the automobile/steel industries allowed U.S. citizens to make good wages and live a good middle-class life style. Ever since things like NAFTA shipping manufacturing overseas, U.S. worker's inflation-adjusted wages, and the size of the middle class has declined severely.

Tariffs are a way to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States, and increase the wages and standard of living of American citizens.

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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El Lobo Loco said:

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In general, it is much better from an economic perspective as well as a national security perspective to have domestic manufacturing of goods.

The entire reason that companies produce goods overseas and then ship them inside the U.S. for sale is to MAXIMIZE PROFITS. They are utilizing dirt cheap foreign labor and then passing on that cost savings as profit for the fat cat owners of the companies. Similar domestically-produced products cost only a little bit more, but the labor inside the United States that produces those products is paid much better wages. Not as much profit is being made.

Having manufacturing inside the United States is better for U.S. workers. Look aback to the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when good-paying U.S. manufacturing jobs in the automobile/steel industries allowed U.S. citizens to make good wages and live a good middle-class life style. Ever since things like NAFTA shipping manufacturing overseas, U.S. worker's inflation-adjusted wages, and the size of the middle class has declined severely.

Tariffs are a way to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States, and increase the wages and standard of living of American citizens.

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The US is Number 2 in the world in domestic manufacturing. Bet you didn't know that.

Would you rather have $17/hour manufacturing jobs for Apple in the US or $150k/year domestic R&D jobs in the US, as well as all the services within Apple that make that machine go? I'd vote for the latter.

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Why does it have to be an either/or choice?

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BREAKING: Tulsi Gabbard has been CONFIRMED as President Trump's Director of National Intelligence! pic.twitter.com/pHuLhn3feC

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 12, 2025

LAWFARE: The Obama-appointed judge that threatened the Trump administration with arrest if funding was not restored to USAID previously likened Trump's first term to the Civil War and Jim Crow and compared Trump to a tyrant in 2021 video footage uncovered by @nataliegwinters.… https://t.co/I58YHtA7xv pic.twitter.com/EIVOCnohzh

— @amuse (@amuse) February 12, 2025

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Here come the higher interest rates, which will further cool the housing market. Fantastic.

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The whole system of fiat fake "money" and usury and a debt-based economy is designed by the jewish international banskters to bankrupt society, and allow them to swindle the entire world of real wealth.

The entire system needs to be blown up. We need real money. Not fake monopoly fiat currency that they control and issue, and constantly inflate and force us to pay back at interest in real assets.

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Ahhh, there it is! Guess I'll be the only one to call out GP's raging anti-Semitic bullsh**.

Again.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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Here come the higher interest rates, which will further cool the housing market. Fantastic.

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The whole system of fiat fake "money" and usury and a debt-based economy is designed by the jewish international banskters to bankrupt society, and allow them to swindle the entire world of real wealth.

The entire system needs to be blown up. We need real money. Not fake monopoly fiat currency that they control and issue, and constantly inflate and force us to pay back at interest in real assets.

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Ahhh, there it is! Guess I'll be the only one to call out GP's raging anti-Semitic bullsh**.

Again.

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packgrad said:

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We have posters saying these aren't activists judges....

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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We have posters saying these aren't activists judges....

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If I want to find stuff to whine about I could definitely whine about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas being compromised by his totally brainwashed Trumpy wife and improper financial benefits he's received over the years. That seems pretty notable. But I don't even complain about that because my hope is whatever bias there is washes and evens out over time as judges come and go.

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