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hokiewolf
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Here's another example of how tariffs are rent-seeking, for anyone who cares - probably no one in this forum.

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Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.
Dude, these are competitive research grants. And they are highly competitive and are advertised out in the open for open competition. They are not hidden from anyone. Not because they are a windfall of money either, there are actual people who do great things with these grants to further research and medicine. The 0.001% of Grants like the theoretical one you mention above, yes they are out there and should be challenged or even eliminated.

Hell, I'm all for taking a look at overhead costs and looking at ways to reduce those, but you just have an absolute fundamental misunderstanding of how these programs work and how they support the economy in North Carolina and the Raleigh-Durham area specifically.

Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors and trying to make people take less than he had originally agreed to pay them. But it's a rotten way to do business, and a terrible way for the US government to behave.

I totally get peoples frustration on the more ridiculous stuff that the government has funded, and how those things have far and away strayed from the original mission of these agencies. Those things should be eliminated 1000%

I would just encourage you to do just a little bit of research to understand the impact of something that has been applied arbitrarily. Because it's going to have an extreme impact on the economy if NC. That and I just don't understand how you guys can't have any empathy for these folks, 99.9% of them who don't get rich doing this research. They're all middle class people who go to work everyday just like Johnny paycheck on the assembly line. They are no different. Trance of the grant money back to the government if I had the authority to make it happen.

We are just punishing ourselves by making blanket carte blanche changes in the name of culture wars.

This is the stuff that frustrates me about populism. You burn to the ground the institutions before you figure out that you actually need some of them.

Not saying either or neither of you have valid points but I've worked in NIH and witnessed some pretty questionable grants. There was a grants management specialist at NIEHS in Durham who was handing out cash to grantees in return for co-authorship of any papers his grantees published. To this day, that indiscretion has never been addressed.
I would challenge you that is way out of the norm and probably a one off. And unfortunately you're never going to 100% eliminate that type of behavior. It's wrong it wasn't addressed.
Well, I can't speak for the other subordinate institutes under the NIH aegis but if it's a one-off as you say, then the issue is confined to NIEHS because the case I just mentioned is definitely not a one-off for that particular institute. It's had bad leadership for years, going back to a director named Schwartz whose tenure as director was cut short to just a year or two because his conduct was so bad that even Congress couldn't stomach it and his resignation was demanded. And NIEHS has lately funded some pretty sketchy research like a paper that was just put out last year "proving" that climate change makes dogs more likely to bite you on hot and/or smoggy days. Talk about a candidate for the old Proxmire gold fleece award. Research dollars are indeed precious and shouldn't be wasted on this crap science.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-35115-6
Thanks for the info. Definitely believable
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Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Civilized said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Hey cool, effective immediately Trump just ground all scientific research in our country to a halt. Sure, why not?

This is starting to look more like an "America Last" movement.


Good. Let's see where the money is going first then we'll fund research. I don't need to know how fast shrimp can run on a treadmill or the cause of polar bear flu.
The problem is that you're too ignorant to ever understand what's happening. We're not talking about chicken condoms or sick polar bears. We're talking about the funding for 95% of all pharmaceuticals developed in the U.S.

The good news is that Big Pharma will probably have this blocked on Monday.

Would be nice if the media would start running accurate headlines. "Trump illegally blocks funding for this". Trump illegally shuts down that". He doesn't actually have authority to do any of this nonsense. He's just trying to do permanent damage before the courts tell him he wasn't actually allowed to.

Is it a crazy idea to actually communicate with the American people about *** you're doing when from the outside it looks like the richest man on the planet has been handed the keys to the castle and is blowing up **** just to say he did?

None of this is strategic or measured or thoughtful.

It's just taking a blowtorch to the system in ways that seem mostly illegal, which is obviously why the courts are stepping in.
I'm sure the irony isn't lost on anyone that the only reason Elon is the richest man on the planet is because of billions of dollars of longshot federal grants and contracts that kept Tesla and SpaceX afloat for years before those businesses made any sense.

He literally only exists because of the very thing he's trying to dismantle. If anyone should understand the importance of this stuff it's him. What a piece of sh**.


If it's just that easy why haven't you done anything with your life? Your every post is how smart you are and how dumb others are. Let us know when you accomplish anything along the lines of Elon.
Lol, whatever you say. And I'm sorry, going forward you will get a participation trophy for having an opinion, even though they're pretty much always catastrophically ignorant.

Case in point: What does anyone else becoming the richest guy on the planet have to do with pointing out that he would have never been given that opportunity without the federal government bankrolling him for years? Doesn't matter how smart he is. If he were Haitian he'd still be running a banana stand.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

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This took 15 mins to look up. I'm not an expert, but I see bull**** when it's bull**** and like to verify it. You don't really care because you have zero curiosity. You're worse the werewolf because I don't actually consider you a lunatic.
I think that's a blind spot of yours. Werewolf is obviously a delusional lunatic. But it's just as glaringly obvious that guys like BBW and packgrad have raging bipolar disorder. These aren't rational conversations.
TVPack
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packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.
packgrad
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TVPack said:

packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.


MAGA, baby. Elections have consequences.
Werewolf
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Readying for the final takedown, probably another month or two.

The missing money sent to Ukraine is not $100 B …..it's going to be $1.9 Trillion. yep . with a T. Stay tuned!
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Civilized said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Hey cool, effective immediately Trump just ground all scientific research in our country to a halt. Sure, why not?

This is starting to look more like an "America Last" movement.


Good. Let's see where the money is going first then we'll fund research. I don't need to know how fast shrimp can run on a treadmill or the cause of polar bear flu.
The problem is that you're too ignorant to ever understand what's happening. We're not talking about chicken condoms or sick polar bears. We're talking about the funding for 95% of all pharmaceuticals developed in the U.S.

The good news is that Big Pharma will probably have this blocked on Monday.

Would be nice if the media would start running accurate headlines. "Trump illegally blocks funding for this". Trump illegally shuts down that". He doesn't actually have authority to do any of this nonsense. He's just trying to do permanent damage before the courts tell him he wasn't actually allowed to.

Is it a crazy idea to actually communicate with the American people about *** you're doing when from the outside it looks like the richest man on the planet has been handed the keys to the castle and is blowing up **** just to say he did?

None of this is strategic or measured or thoughtful.

It's just taking a blowtorch to the system in ways that seem mostly illegal, which is obviously why the courts are stepping in.
I'm sure the irony isn't lost on anyone that the only reason Elon is the richest man on the planet is because of billions of dollars of longshot federal grants and contracts that kept Tesla and SpaceX afloat for years before those businesses made any sense.

He literally only exists because of the very thing he's trying to dismantle. If anyone should understand the importance of this stuff it's him. What a piece of sh**.


If it's just that easy why haven't you done anything with your life? Your every post is how smart you are and how dumb others are. Let us know when you accomplish anything along the lines of Elon.
Lol, whatever you say. And I'm sorry, going forward you will get a participation trophy for having an opinion, even though they're pretty much always catastrophically ignorant.

Case in point: What does anyone else becoming the richest guy on the planet have to do with pointing out that he would have never been given that opportunity without the federal government bankrolling him for years? Doesn't matter how smart he is. If he were Haitian he'd still be running a banana stand.


LOL-whatever that means. Let us know when you accomplish anything like Elon.
Gulfstream4
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TVPack said:

packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.



Werewolf
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TVPack
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packgrad said:

TVPack said:

packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.


MAGA, baby. Elections have consequences.


Oh, there's no question about the consequences.

As for MAGA, let's see how "great" things look in a few years with these people in charge.
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packgrad
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TVPack said:

packgrad said:

TVPack said:

packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.


MAGA, baby. Elections have consequences.


Oh, there's no question about the consequences.

As for MAGA, let's see how "great" things look in a few years with these people in charge.



I think having qualified individuals in these positions will most certainly help. I think the DEI experiment the last administration ran is a thing of the past. The left will have to evolve.
caryking
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Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?
Werewolf
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packgrad said:


I pronounce this post as the post of the 2025 Year so far.
Oldsouljer
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packgrad said:

TVPack said:

packgrad said:

TVPack said:

packgrad said:




Absolutely comical from the administration putting Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi, RFK jr, etc in top roles.


MAGA, baby. Elections have consequences.


Oh, there's no question about the consequences.

As for MAGA, let's see how "great" things look in a few years with these people in charge.



I think having qualified individuals in these positions will most certainly help. I think the DEI experiment the last administration ran is a thing of the past. The left will have to evolve.
Might take awhile. The entire Democrat party is still sorting itself out. The old DLC is trying to reassert sanity back into the party, but that may be a Herculean task.
Gulfstream4
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packgrad said:




Trump Derangement Syndrome is a very powerful emotion.
caryking
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I encourage everyone to watch this Conservative Law Professor's segment, with Steve Bannon. If you are compelled, watch to the end…. For me, the ending point is where we need to get and never do again. Academia has no recovery. It's over, until it gets back to the basics, reduce the number of degrees, and focus on what will make America great again…

https://americasvoice.news/video/zfaAMIv9vlceicT/?related=playlist
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caryking said:

Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?

Respectfully Cary, that's preposterous given the net benefit to our economy and society of investing in high-level medical, tech, and science research, and also given there isn't a developed nation in the world whose government doesn't heavily invest in research. 30%-40% of research around the world is funded by governments.

The right has got to stop forming their opinions of the efficacy or prudence of government institutions and activities based on edge cases that aren't true indicators of value.

Observing the last three weeks, the most frustrating thing is that there is zero indication that there is any actual analysis of value proposition of funding that's getting cut.

Scientific research, consumer protection, and targeted, non-military, humanitarian, and strategic interventions like USAID are some of the highest-ROI activities our government undertakes.

Taking a sledgehammer to research funding, USAID, and the CFPB is colossally shortsighted, stupid, and completely lacking in any sort of underlying thoughtful economic cost/benefit analysis.
packgrad
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packgrad
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?

Respectfully Cary, that's preposterous given the net benefit to our economy and society of investing in high-level medical, tech, and science research, and also given there isn't a developed nation in the world whose government doesn't heavily invest in research. 30%-40% of research around the world is funded by governments.

The right has got to stop forming their opinions of the efficacy or prudence of government institutions and activities based on edge cases that aren't true indicators of value.

Observing the last three weeks, the most frustrating thing is that there is zero indication that there is any actual analysis of value proposition of funding that's getting cut.

Scientific research, consumer protection, and targeted, non-military, humanitarian, and strategic interventions like USAID are some of the highest-ROI activities our government undertakes.

Taking a sledgehammer to research funding, USAID, and the CFPB is colossally shortsighted, stupid, and completely lacking in any sort of underlying thoughtful economic cost/benefit analysis.



The people making the cut decisions are much smarter than those that can't define gender and repeat ridiculously stupid talking points like "weird and America's daddy."

You're a puppet, but you think you're smarter than the ones making the cuts.

Government needs an audit. The people screaming the loudest are the most corrupt. It's quite telling that it's democrats, left wing media, and their mindless minions making all of the noise.

Civ would allow crimes to be committed against him and his family if he didn't like the officers that caught the criminals.

Crazy town.
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packgrad said:

"Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors and trying to make people take less than he had originally agreed to pay them. But it's a rotten way to do business, and a terrible way for the US government to behave."


So
Much
TDS

LOLOLOL

Besides, he's talking about contractors!
BBW12OG
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packgrad said:

"Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors and trying to make people take less than he had originally agreed to pay them. But it's a rotten way to do business, and a terrible way for the US government to behave."


So
Much
TDS

LOLOLOL

LOL... you'd have a laugh if you knew exactly how funny that is coming from him.........
caryking
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?

Respectfully Cary, that's preposterous given the net benefit to our economy and society of investing in high-level medical, tech, and science research, and also given there isn't a developed nation in the world whose government doesn't heavily invest in research. 30%-40% of research around the world is funded by governments.

The right has got to stop forming their opinions of the efficacy or prudence of government institutions and activities based on edge cases that aren't true indicators of value.

Observing the last three weeks, the most frustrating thing is that there is zero indication that there is any actual analysis of value proposition of funding that's getting cut.

Scientific research, consumer protection, and targeted, non-military, humanitarian, and strategic interventions like USAID are some of the highest-ROI activities our government undertakes.

Taking a sledgehammer to research funding, USAID, and the CFPB is colossally shortsighted, stupid, and completely lacking in any sort of underlying thoughtful economic cost/benefit analysis.

Civ, I'm not questioning the research that should be done. I'm saying that the funding should come from the alumni or other sources that support said University.

As far as you believing the right has to quit… fill in the blank. That doesn't surprise me as I "think" you are a government solves a lot of problems the country has, type person.

I am more of a survivalist type person, first. Then, I think you and everyone else, just like I do, could give to the unfortunate from our own pocket. That, instead of government, most likely "my opinion" will be more meaningful to the receiver and the giver, than the current system. I know how helping others makes my heart feel. I also know how helping others makes them feel, by their emotions. It's a very moving thing.

All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.

Now, if you think we shouldn't have scrutiny given to the tax dollars, then, you and I will never get any type of alignment. That's when I will say: elections have consequences…. Work hard to change our government in four years.
Werewolf
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This little #beaut floated up on my LinkedIn account and it wason X too.

Oldsouljer
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Werewolf said:

This little #beaut floated up on my LinkedIn account and it wason X too.


Well, if they can fix this little problem, could trust fund solvency be right around the corner? I'd sure like to think so as I've put off collecting SS to 1) fatten my future monthly check, and 2) I'm still in the work force.
Civilized
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caryking said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?

Respectfully Cary, that's preposterous given the net benefit to our economy and society of investing in high-level medical, tech, and science research, and also given there isn't a developed nation in the world whose government doesn't heavily invest in research. 30%-40% of research around the world is funded by governments.

The right has got to stop forming their opinions of the efficacy or prudence of government institutions and activities based on edge cases that aren't true indicators of value.

Observing the last three weeks, the most frustrating thing is that there is zero indication that there is any actual analysis of value proposition of funding that's getting cut.

Scientific research, consumer protection, and targeted, non-military, humanitarian, and strategic interventions like USAID are some of the highest-ROI activities our government undertakes.

Taking a sledgehammer to research funding, USAID, and the CFPB is colossally shortsighted, stupid, and completely lacking in any sort of underlying thoughtful economic cost/benefit analysis.

Civ, I'm not questioning the research that should be done. I'm saying that the funding should come from the alumni or other sources that support said University.

As far as you believing the right has to quit… fill in the blank. That doesn't surprise me as I "think" you are a government solves a lot of problems the country has, type person.

I am more of a survivalist type person, first. Then, I think you and everyone else, just like I do, could give to the unfortunate from our own pocket. That, instead of government, most likely "my opinion" will be more meaningful to the receiver and the giver, than the current system. I know how helping others makes my heart feel. I also know how helping others makes them feel, by their emotions. It's a very moving thing.

All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.

Now, if you think we shouldn't have scrutiny given to the tax dollars, then, you and I will never get any type of alignment. That's when I will say: elections have consequences…. Work hard to change our government in four years.

Why? That's not the way research is funded anywhere else in the world.

What's so badly broken about the current federal grant system that we need to blowtorch it and try some novel strategy that no one else in the world employs?

Fundamentally, make the case that our government should abandon investing in scientific and medical research in a manner completely contrary to decades of precedent and completely unlike the entire rest of the world.

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caryking said:



All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.


Also, do you consider the blowtorch approach Musk and his acolytes are taking to be "slow but sure change?" Doesn't seem very slow from here.

What we've seen isn't "scrutiny." A lot of folks, including myself, welcome scrutiny.

What we've seen is Ready, Fire, Aim. There's been no good-faith scrutiny. It's just breaking a bunch of **** because you can (or at least, Musk and Trump think they can; courts will likely disabuse them of some of that notion.)
hokiewolf
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Civilized said:

caryking said:



All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.


Also, do you consider the blowtorch approach Musk and his acolytes are taking to be "slow but sure change?" Doesn't seem very slow from here.

What we've seen isn't "scrutiny." A lot of folks, including myself, welcome scrutiny.

What we've seen is Ready, Fire, Aim. There's been no good-faith scrutiny. It's just breaking a bunch of **** because you can (or at least, Musk and Trump think they can; courts will likely disabuse them of some of that notion.)
Breaking things is easy. Putting it back together is the hard part. So far I've seen no interest from DOGE in the fixing it after they break it. I feel bad for Rubio, he's trying and I think he realizes what an error this is starting to become.
Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
packofwolves
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Unacceptable accounting going on in the Treasury dept. Steps in the right direction -

caryking
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

BBW12OG said:

So.....

This is bad right?

What are they doing?

Who is funding it?

I could have applied for a grant to research homosexuality in prison and the effect condoms have on chickens and gotten approved.

Open honesty seems to bother the left and Pinocchio.....

As soon as the receipts are shown it gets obvious.

You're showing your ignorance again.

Clearly you don't know any major research university professors that actually rely on the incredibly challenging and competitive grant process
to fund their research labs.
I happen to support the whole idea of stopping "all" federal grants to universities. It's time the Universities start going to the donators to support their research. Each university that wants to be in the research game, well.. go raise the money.

Now, for a two for one… the money that the University raises, they can decide to spend it on research or sports. It's their call. What does your University want to be?

Respectfully Cary, that's preposterous given the net benefit to our economy and society of investing in high-level medical, tech, and science research, and also given there isn't a developed nation in the world whose government doesn't heavily invest in research. 30%-40% of research around the world is funded by governments.

The right has got to stop forming their opinions of the efficacy or prudence of government institutions and activities based on edge cases that aren't true indicators of value.

Observing the last three weeks, the most frustrating thing is that there is zero indication that there is any actual analysis of value proposition of funding that's getting cut.

Scientific research, consumer protection, and targeted, non-military, humanitarian, and strategic interventions like USAID are some of the highest-ROI activities our government undertakes.

Taking a sledgehammer to research funding, USAID, and the CFPB is colossally shortsighted, stupid, and completely lacking in any sort of underlying thoughtful economic cost/benefit analysis.

Civ, I'm not questioning the research that should be done. I'm saying that the funding should come from the alumni or other sources that support said University.

As far as you believing the right has to quit… fill in the blank. That doesn't surprise me as I "think" you are a government solves a lot of problems the country has, type person.

I am more of a survivalist type person, first. Then, I think you and everyone else, just like I do, could give to the unfortunate from our own pocket. That, instead of government, most likely "my opinion" will be more meaningful to the receiver and the giver, than the current system. I know how helping others makes my heart feel. I also know how helping others makes them feel, by their emotions. It's a very moving thing.

All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.

Now, if you think we shouldn't have scrutiny given to the tax dollars, then, you and I will never get any type of alignment. That's when I will say: elections have consequences…. Work hard to change our government in four years.

Why? That's not the way research is funded anywhere else in the world.

What's so badly broken about the current federal grant system that we need to blowtorch it and try some novel strategy that no one else in the world employs?

Fundamentally, make the case that our government should abandon investing in scientific and medical research in a manner completely contrary to decades of precedent and completely unlike the entire rest of the world.
Again, you would say that. Civ, the USA is like no other country on earth, and for that matter, ever to exist on this earth. So, trying to compare to other country's is some type of relativism. It just work!

What's so badly broken is a lot. I can get into a real scenario with NC State on this one. I had a periphery view of how academia views things with IP. It was grossly misguided throughout the entire University. The business sense of the academic is void. At NC State, the academics were very protective of their IP, because (and this was stated frequently) they feel as if they were burned by another academic that made a successful business out of a NC State owned IP. I heard it over and over and over.

Regarding me making the case, actually… you've got it backwards. You should be making the case of its constitutionality. Once you are able to do that, then, let's debate the constitutionality of this said funding. If we can get alignment, then, I'll be more than happy to give my thoughts on your final paragraph.
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Civilized said:

caryking said:



All of us have been disconnected from service, because of the system that's been created. It needs changing slowly, but surely.

I believe the research that this country needs and or wants can be funded by the private sector. This can be done by fund raising within a University or a Private Sector PE based business.

As long as these types of funding continue to come out of the Federal Government, you will have, and should have the scrutiny you've seen the last three weeks.


Also, do you consider the blowtorch approach Musk and his acolytes are taking to be "slow but sure change?" Doesn't seem very slow from here.

What we've seen isn't "scrutiny." A lot of folks, including myself, welcome scrutiny.

What we've seen is Ready, Fire, Aim. There's been no good-faith scrutiny. It's just breaking a bunch of **** because you can (or at least, Musk and Trump think they can; courts will likely disabuse them of some of that notion.)
The blowtorch is the deconstruction of the administrative state. Yes, I 100% support it! It's long overdue…

On this, I say… elections have consequences…
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Oldsouljer said:

Werewolf said:

This little #beaut floated up on my LinkedIn account and it wason X too.


Well, if they can fix this little problem, could trust fund solvency be right around the corner? I'd sure like to think so as I've put off collecting SS to 1) fatten my future monthly check, and 2) I'm still in the work force.
How many more years of solvency do we have by just cleaning up the rolls…. Kind of sounds like our voter roll's?
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