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In reply to Civilized • 9:25p, 2/3/25
Civilized said:
What a colossal bull**** artist.

He's a standup philosopher.
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9:27p, 2/3/25
Good move here for the nationalists, who cares about other people in the world. Maybe we'll just offer prayers on Sunday.

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In reply to hokiewolf • 9:32p, 2/3/25
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Good move here for the nationalists, who cares about other people in the world. Maybe we'll just offer prayers on Sunday.



You won't. Praying on Sunday won't get you attention on a message board.
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9:37p, 2/3/25
LOLOL

Ingraham not impressed.

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4:48a, 2/4/25
https://apnews.com/article/china-tariffs-us-trump-150fab3a44ec055845e47c82bde544c2

China to slap us with a tariff.
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6:29a
#Sieve, this is called winning. Sieve, I'm not tired of it yet, either. How bout u?
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6:32a
The Sieve's, the Gobbler's and the Nappy's of the world are too blind to see this.

Actually, they turn into 3 blind mice and wanna whine about something else.

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7:29a
Learn and evolve.

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In reply to Civilized • 8:03a
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
TVPack said:
The tariffs are looking like one of these typical Trump things where he announces some massive policy change, extracts some mostly symbolic concessions, then declares victory.

I will give the devil his due: he's very good at creating these distractions from the real work behind the scenes, viz., the illegal firings of career civil servants, Musk and his 20 year old henchmen infiltrating / disrupting government agencies without any legal basis, etc.

Exactly.



I'll ask again do think 8 million illegals will flood the border and do you think the cartels will get as much drugs across the the border this time?

8 million? If we're making up numbers why don't we just say a kagillion?

Nobody that's not a quack thinks that there were 8 million crossers under Biden.

"Not get as much drugs across the border" isn't the right question to ask.

The question to ask is "will there be consequentially less fentanyl in the US as a result of Trump's fake tough guy act that definitely embarrasses the United States amongst our allies and may well have significant negative economic impacts for our country?"

That answer is almost assuredly 'no'.

Given that almkst 90% of the fentanyl that comes in is smuggled in by US citizens, even a significant reduction in fentanyl smuggled in by illegals will likely only reduce the fentanyl supply in the US by very low single digit amounts - 2% or 3% of the overall supply, tops.

There are much more effective ways to combat fentanyl OD's than this, they just don't get you all frothy.


Okay I'll ask do you think just as many illegals will flood Trumps border as they did Biden's border? Yes or no?

Do you think more or less fentanyl will enter the U.S. under Trump as did with Biden?

I think we all know the answer but you will talk in circles to not say it.

What are your recommendations on combating fentanyl OD's? Would reducing the amount crossing the border not be a good start?
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8:33a
Democrat representatives are very upset about DOGE digging in to USAID. Crazy how their minions are so upset as well. I guess it's party before country.

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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 8:52a
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
TVPack said:
The tariffs are looking like one of these typical Trump things where he announces some massive policy change, extracts some mostly symbolic concessions, then declares victory.

I will give the devil his due: he's very good at creating these distractions from the real work behind the scenes, viz., the illegal firings of career civil servants, Musk and his 20 year old henchmen infiltrating / disrupting government agencies without any legal basis, etc.

Exactly.



I'll ask again do think 8 million illegals will flood the border and do you think the cartels will get as much drugs across the the border this time?

8 million? If we're making up numbers why don't we just say a kagillion?

Nobody that's not a quack thinks that there were 8 million crossers under Biden.

"Not get as much drugs across the border" isn't the right question to ask.

The question to ask is "will there be consequentially less fentanyl in the US as a result of Trump's fake tough guy act that definitely embarrasses the United States amongst our allies and may well have significant negative economic impacts for our country?"

That answer is almost assuredly 'no'.

Given that almkst 90% of the fentanyl that comes in is smuggled in by US citizens, even a significant reduction in fentanyl smuggled in by illegals will likely only reduce the fentanyl supply in the US by very low single digit amounts - 2% or 3% of the overall supply, tops.

There are much more effective ways to combat fentanyl OD's than this, they just don't get you all frothy.


Okay I'll ask do you think just as many illegals will flood Trumps border as they did Biden's border? Yes or no?

Do you think more or less fentanyl will enter the U.S. under Trump as did with Biden?

I think we all know the answer but you will talk in circles to not say it.

What are your recommendations on combating fentanyl OD's? Would reducing the amount crossing the border not be a good start?
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In reply to packgrad • 9:10a
packgrad said:
Democrat representatives are very upset about DOGE digging in to USAID. Crazy how their minions are so upset as well. I guess it's party before country.



Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE:
$1.5 million to "advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities"
$70,000 for production of a "DEI musical" in Ireland
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$47,000 for a "transgender opera" in Colombia
$32,000 for a "transgender comic book" in Peru
$2 million for sex changes and "LGBT activism" in Guatemala
$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt

https://www.whitehouse.gov/uncategorized/2025/02/at-usaid-waste-and-abuse-runs-deep/
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I understand why democrats are crying. These are just a few very important programs.
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In reply to Civilized • 9:12a
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
TVPack said:
The tariffs are looking like one of these typical Trump things where he announces some massive policy change, extracts some mostly symbolic concessions, then declares victory.

I will give the devil his due: he's very good at creating these distractions from the real work behind the scenes, viz., the illegal firings of career civil servants, Musk and his 20 year old henchmen infiltrating / disrupting government agencies without any legal basis, etc.

Exactly.



I'll ask again do think 8 million illegals will flood the border and do you think the cartels will get as much drugs across the the border this time?

8 million? If we're making up numbers why don't we just say a kagillion?

Nobody that's not a quack thinks that there were 8 million crossers under Biden.

"Not get as much drugs across the border" isn't the right question to ask.

The question to ask is "will there be consequentially less fentanyl in the US as a result of Trump's fake tough guy act that definitely embarrasses the United States amongst our allies and may well have significant negative economic impacts for our country?"

That answer is almost assuredly 'no'.

Given that almkst 90% of the fentanyl that comes in is smuggled in by US citizens, even a significant reduction in fentanyl smuggled in by illegals will likely only reduce the fentanyl supply in the US by very low single digit amounts - 2% or 3% of the overall supply, tops.

There are much more effective ways to combat fentanyl OD's than this, they just don't get you all frothy.


Okay I'll ask do you think just as many illegals will flood Trumps border as they did Biden's border? Yes or no?

Do you think more or less fentanyl will enter the U.S. under Trump as did with Biden?

I think we all know the answer but you will talk in circles to not say it.

What are your recommendations on combating fentanyl OD's? Would reducing the amount crossing the border not be a good start?


Translation:
No
No
I got nothing but hot air.

Thanks
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9:21a
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.
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In reply to wolf5 • 9:25a
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 9:31a
Gulfstream4 said:
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
You're expecting that poster to have an ounce of common sense. He/she was traumatized yesterday because the market was SLIGHTLY down and would hurt people's retirements YESTERDAY. And he/she hypocritically speaks about others caring more about "owning" the other party....
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 9:32a
Gulfstream4 said:
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
Don't you realize that Guatemalan sex changes are critical for the US to survive?
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In reply to packgrad • 9:33a
packgrad said:
This is why the minions are so upset at Musk and his 20 year old henchmen. The propaganda machine and gravy train is coming to an end.

MAGA





Republicans control Congress and the Presidency. USAID is established as an independent agency by law. If Republicans want to shut down USAID, then pass a law doing that.

Personally, I'm upset because the world's richest man, with no government position, oversight, or legal authority, is running around unchecked shutting down government agencies he doesn't like. Why anyone is OK with that is beyond me.


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In reply to TVPack • 9:40a
TVPack said:
packgrad said:
This is why the minions are so upset at Musk and his 20 year old henchmen. The propaganda machine and gravy train is coming to an end.

MAGA





Republicans control Congress and the Presidency. USAID is established as an independent agency by law. If Republicans want to shut down USAID, then pass a law doing that.

Personally, I'm upset because the world's richest man, with no government position, oversight, or legal authority, is running around unchecked shutting down government agencies he doesn't like. Why anyone is OK with that is beyond me.


USAID has been put under the direction of Sec of State Rubio. Wasteful democrat pet projects will be terminated.

Your second point isn't grounded in truth. Musk has oversight. Musk has authority. Musk is not running around unchecked. Which part of the waste that Musk and DOGE have uncovered do you think we need to keep funding?

Edit to add.... I do also enjoy the rage about Musk being unchecked and without authority after the last 4 years of Biden where ANYONE with an ounce of integrity is aware that Biden was not running the country. Unchecked and unelected officials, without oversight, were making decisions and shutting down groups they didn't like. And for some reason, plenty were OK with that.
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In reply to TVPack • 9:42a
TVPack said:
packgrad said:
This is why the minions are so upset at Musk and his 20 year old henchmen. The propaganda machine and gravy train is coming to an end.

MAGA





Republicans control Congress and the Presidency. USAID is established as an independent agency by law. If Republicans want to shut down USAID, then pass a law doing that.

Personally, I'm upset because the world's richest man, with no government position, oversight, or legal authority, is running around unchecked shutting down government agencies he doesn't like. Why anyone is OK with that is beyond me.


Can you point me to the bill from Congress for the creation of the USAID agency?

If you dont want one executive branch undoing what another one has done, maybe Congress should get off their asses and actually do their job.

Im not sure how anyone could look at the last three weeks and not think the executive branch has way too much power at the moment. But it has been enabled by Congress for multiple administrations, so this is now what happens
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 9:48a
I looked it up as well. This is what I found.

USAID was created by EO by JFK in 1961. USAID was established by statute as its own agency by Congress in 1998.
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In reply to packgrad • 10:00a
packgrad said:
I looked it up as well. This is what I found.

USAID was created by EO by JFK in 1961. USAID was established by statute as its own agency by Congress in 1998.
According to what I've read, the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998 clarified that the USAID administrator reports to and is under the direct authority and foreign policy guidance of the secretary of state.

So it seems one question is whether Congress appropriates a lump sum for USAID or if they specify individual programs. If the former, then what's the problem with Rubio directing where the money should go based on the best interests of the US?
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10:18a
It is mindboggling to see what the American taxpayer is paying for around the world! Regardless of your political affiliation, if you are mad because these useless programs to Americans are being eliminated - you need to
question your ability to rationalize the role of government and the drain this puts on you the American taxpayer. It is clear that USAID - started I'm sure with good intentions - has become a "open checkbook" for bureaucrats and politicians. This has to stop. Anyone unable to see that is not being realistic.
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In reply to packgrad • 10:51a
packgrad said:
Gulfstream4 said:
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
You're expecting that poster to have an ounce of common sense. He/she was traumatized yesterday because the market was SLIGHTLY down and would hurt people's retirements YESTERDAY. And he/she hypocritically speaks about others caring more about "owning" the other party....


You keep saying you put me on ignore but then you respond. You're so weird.

Oh the irony of right winger calling someone traumatized is absolutely hilarious. You freak out about trans people ffs.
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In reply to CoachCase • 11:41a
CoachCase said:
It is mindboggling to see what the American taxpayer is paying for around the world! Regardless of your political affiliation, if you are mad because these useless programs to Americans are being eliminated - you need to
question your ability to rationalize the role of government and the drain this puts on you the American taxpayer. It is clear that USAID - started I'm sure with good intentions - has become a "open checkbook" for bureaucrats and politicians. This has to stop. Anyone unable to see that is not being realistic.
They are only mad because it's Trump.
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In reply to TheStorm • 12:41p
TheStorm said:
CoachCase said:
It is mindboggling to see what the American taxpayer is paying for around the world! Regardless of your political affiliation, if you are mad because these useless programs to Americans are being eliminated - you need to
question your ability to rationalize the role of government and the drain this puts on you the American taxpayer. It is clear that USAID - started I'm sure with good intentions - has become a "open checkbook" for bureaucrats and politicians. This has to stop. Anyone unable to see that is not being realistic.
They are only mad because it's Trump.
that's my suspicion as well...
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12:47p
Looks like the Department of Education is the next "dead man walking".
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In reply to El Lobo Loco • 1:00p
El Lobo Loco said:
Gulfstream4 said:
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
Don't you realize that Guatemalan sex changes are critical for the US to survive?


Haha! I can not think of anything more important to this country.
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In reply to El Lobo Loco • 1:08p
El Lobo Loco said:
Gulfstream4 said:
wolf5 said:
The right cares more about owning liberals or the everyday people of America than actually helping this country.


Wouldn't cutting wasteful spending be "helping this country "? I do have to admit your incessant whining makes it even better.
Don't you realize that Guatemalan sex changes are critical for the US to survive?
When a caravan of trans people arrive from Guatemala because it was so repressive there I can guarantee you'll act like it's a national emergency.
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1:59p
Didn't have the votes.

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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 2:00p
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
TVPack said:
The tariffs are looking like one of these typical Trump things where he announces some massive policy change, extracts some mostly symbolic concessions, then declares victory.

I will give the devil his due: he's very good at creating these distractions from the real work behind the scenes, viz., the illegal firings of career civil servants, Musk and his 20 year old henchmen infiltrating / disrupting government agencies without any legal basis, etc.

Exactly.



I'll ask again do think 8 million illegals will flood the border and do you think the cartels will get as much drugs across the the border this time?

8 million? If we're making up numbers why don't we just say a kagillion?

Nobody that's not a quack thinks that there were 8 million crossers under Biden.

"Not get as much drugs across the border" isn't the right question to ask.

The question to ask is "will there be consequentially less fentanyl in the US as a result of Trump's fake tough guy act that definitely embarrasses the United States amongst our allies and may well have significant negative economic impacts for our country?"

That answer is almost assuredly 'no'.

Given that almkst 90% of the fentanyl that comes in is smuggled in by US citizens, even a significant reduction in fentanyl smuggled in by illegals will likely only reduce the fentanyl supply in the US by very low single digit amounts - 2% or 3% of the overall supply, tops.

There are much more effective ways to combat fentanyl OD's than this, they just don't get you all frothy.


Okay I'll ask do you think just as many illegals will flood Trumps border as they did Biden's border? Yes or no?

Do you think more or less fentanyl will enter the U.S. under Trump as did with Biden?

I think we all know the answer but you will talk in circles to not say it.

What are your recommendations on combating fentanyl OD's? Would reducing the amount crossing the border not be a good start?


Translation:
No
No
I got nothing but hot air.

Thanks

No, there will be no discernible improvement to the net level of drug supply in this country (fentanyl or otherwise) due to Trump's tariffs/border policy. Too little of the supply is brought in by illegals for border policies governing illegal immigration to move the needle as an effective means to combat addiction and OD deaths. Almost all the illegal drugs that enter this country are brought in by American citizens and nationals.

No, focusing on border policy is not a good start to combat fentanyl OD's. Cutting off drug supply has never been successful in this country as a means to reduce OD's. Again, only a tiny fraction - small single-digit percentages - of fentanyl enters this country via an illegal southern border crossing.

Reducing the fentanyl supply by 1.5% - if that even happens - and expecting that to consequentially reduce deaths won't work because the fentanyl market isn't supply-constrained. Even absent the tiny amount of fentanyl that crosses the southern border, there is still more than enough fentanyl in this country to literally kill every American. You have to reduce demand and/or increase treatment options.

For fentanyl and other opiods, which account for more than 70% of OD deaths in this country, a much more direct way to reduce OD's is to get Narcan in literally as many hands as possible around the country - addicts, their family members and friends, first responders, community members, basically anyone that could come into contact with an OD'ing user. That would have more impact than any drug war measure you could possible dream up.

Regarding immigration policy, migrant encounters at the border were already down over 80% from their peak by the time Biden left office, to around 58k/month.

Do I expect crossings to continue to decline under Trump? Definitely yes given his and his base's extreme focus on the issue. I'm confident he'll drive those numbers down further.

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In reply to CoachCase • 2:10p
CoachCase said:
It is mindboggling to see what the American taxpayer is paying for around the world! Regardless of your political affiliation, if you are mad because these useless programs to Americans are being eliminated - you need to
question your ability to rationalize the role of government and the drain this puts on you the American taxpayer. It is clear that USAID - started I'm sure with good intentions - has become a "open checkbook" for bureaucrats and politicians. This has to stop. Anyone unable to see that is not being realistic.

Go look at USAID's budget. USAID's work makes sense simply as an adjunct to military spending given its strategic benefits, not to speak of the actual, significant humanitarian goals it accomplishes.

The USAID budget is tiny relative to the humanitarian and strategic benefits it provides, and also tiny relative to the massive problem we've got if countries we historically help (and assume some control over) becoming Russian or Chinese pawns, and also tiny relative to other federal departments.

USAID's budget is $30B and wouldn't appear on a top-15 list of federal department budgets; the US Military approaches $900B, a near 30x-multiplier. Medicare is $1T. Social security is $1.3T. DHHS is about the same, well over $1T.

Especially if you can find ways to make it more efficient there's a ton of ROI there. There is zero reason to kill that fly with an axe, especially considering its strategic benefits and the lack of financial meat on the bone.
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In reply to TheStorm • 2:20p
TheStorm said:
CoachCase said:
It is mindboggling to see what the American taxpayer is paying for around the world! Regardless of your political affiliation, if you are mad because these useless programs to Americans are being eliminated - you need to
question your ability to rationalize the role of government and the drain this puts on you the American taxpayer. It is clear that USAID - started I'm sure with good intentions - has become a "open checkbook" for bureaucrats and politicians. This has to stop. Anyone unable to see that is not being realistic.
They are only mad because it's Trump.


Case in point. ^
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