hokiewolf said:
SmaptyWolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Should we go after Bill Clinton for paying Paula Jones $800,000 to keep quiet before he ran for President?
Did Clinton break any state laws when he paid her the $850,000 OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENT after a 4 year very public court battle? The question sounds unbelievably stupid when you ask it out loud, but I get it, you guys are grasping for anything, so by all means go after him.
Lets get some things straight.
- The jury who found Trump guilty on all counts did it's job, and did it well. They did their civic duty and should not be harassed or blamed.
- This case was ill-conceived, unjustified mess that shouldn't have been brought forward in the first place
- The judge in this case did donate money - $35 to a pro Biden, anti-Trump operation that the judge earmarked the funds for "resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trumps radical right-wing legacy" Would you also had been fine with this judge staying on the case if he donated a couple bucks to "Re-elect Donald Trump MAGA forever!"? Absolutely not
- When has a District Attorney ever run for office with the specific political objective, who falsely claimed in his campaign that he had sued Trump over 100 times, and then brought forward a case that pushes the outer boundaries of the law and due process? Are you ok with that?
- The charges against Trump were obscure and unprecedented. No state, anywhere has ever used federal election laws as a direct state crime against anyone for anything. None. Ever. They are and should be misdemeanors under New York law. Which presents a couple of problems for the prosecution - 1. Nobody cares about misdemeanors, and 2. the statue of limitations was 2 years.
- Further, the argument that tied the committing a crime to cover up a crime that violated State election laws and elevated this to a Class E felony was allowed by the judge to only be revealed in closing arguments. So much for the obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of the trail.
- Finally, these charges appear to be crafted specifically and individually for the former president and nobody else. Is that justice? Is that what the judiciary is supposed to be used for?
"No man is above the law" only works if you don't distort the system to find something to trump up (pun intended) to charge a defendant. That's the type of stuff Putin says and has said, particularly when arresting, having a show trial (not claiming the outcome of Trumps trial was predetermined, the process was somewhat followed, but incredibly flawed), and convicting his political rivals to weaken them and most of the time eliminate them.
I urge you to look up Mikhail Khodorkovsky, and see that he was only arrested and charged after challenging the corrupt system in Russia and specifically Putin who was enriching himself over all else.
The law that bumped this up to a felony was also a New York state election law, not a federal law.
So are you arguing that Trump didn't break the law? A jury unanimously just disagreed with you. Or are you arguing that it's unfair that Presidents of the United States are held to a higher level of scrutiny than average people? Maybe Trump could just try not breaking laws.
I'll admit that the other three cases that Trump is facing are FAR more consequential, but this bawling about how Presidents shouldn't be subjected to scrutiny over trivial lawbreaking is comical coming from conservatives. Literally the last 4 decades has been an endless string of just that from you guys.
Starting with Ken Star, who investigated Clinton for years chasing endless conspiracies... Republicans finally "got him" because he lied about a blow job under oath...
technically illegal I guess, but obviously political. Has there been an investigation of Dems since that wasn't trumped up nonsense? Birth certificates! BENGAZEEE!!! A single barely classified document on an email server! Hunter Biden doing
something we can't find evidence for! Remember the "Lock Her Up!!!" chants? Those were good times...
So now suddenly you have a crook for a candidate who is finally getting raked over the coals and NOW you care about prosecuting political rivals and precedent and all that? Honestly guys, cry me a river.