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caryking said:

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Gotta say...never really understood the "No Kings" theme. The USA was formed based on the notion, weve fought multiple wars over it. No matter how you feel about Trump, he was democratically elected, won every single swing state, and won the popular vote.

Maybe pick up a history book before creating idiotic themes

Jonah Goldberg nails it here.


Yea...I have no idea where this comes from. I dont know a single right winger that feels this way about Trump.

Also, what is the goal of this protest? What outcome are they looking to achieve?


Not sure what you mean about "where it comes from." If you mean the source, Goldberg is the founder of the right-center Dispatch, and whose bona fides WRT his conservative stances on all manners of topics are well-established.

If you're saying his opinions don't align with most Republicans that's not in dispute. His opinions are well-reasoned though, and there's obviously a subset of the right/center and a very high proportion of the left that feels the way he does.

As far as what the protests hope to achieve, same as any other protest I'm sure - raise awareness around the level of concern across the country for the lack of apparent democratic accountability in the Trump administration.

Political leaders have a harder time ignoring grievances if they believe there may be an electoral price to pay for their actions or inactions.

Where are the Pubs that want Trump to do whatever he wants? Please provide an actual example.

I do think most want him to govern without interference, particularly from the legislative branch. I dont think we are at the judicial tyranny some are screeching about, but I dont think you can argue that there are plenty of judges who have made some...lets call them questionable injunctions against Trump.

I do find your last two lines to be a bit ironic. Maybe if the Dems would have a bit of self reflection, they might understand why they got demolished in the 2024 election, but instead they seem hell bent on doubling down. Screeching about accountability when the last administration was led by a dude who doesnt have a clue what day of the week it is.


Where are the Pubs publicly criticizing or reigning in any of the quite possibly unconstitutional or illegal or non-normative acts so far this term?

The Republican Party has been captured by the cult. We literally have our President sending out videos of him dumping **** all over Americans becuase he doesn't like their opinions, and Press Secretaries telling snide Yo Mama jokes directed towards the press corps in response to normal questions because there is zero apparent accountability from anyone in the Administration towards the American people.

Tariffs
Birthright citizenship
Creation of DOGE and usurping of related powers normally reserved for Congress
Targeting law firms and attorneys via executive order
Blackmailing universities by witholding federal funding from universities unless they align politically with his goals
Extrajudicial killings of assumed drug runners in international waters
Impounding of funds allocated by Congress
Ignoring or defying immigration and other court orders
Blatant violations of the Hatch smearing Democrats in official White House and federal government correspondences and communications
Bailing out Argentina to the tune of tens of billions, all while China shifts more of its soybean purchasing to Argentina, which in turn necessitates propping up American soybean farmers even more
Completely transparent direction of his AG to pursue vindictive prosecution of Trump's political enemies
Governing by meme, and violating innumerable norms relating to the requisite professionalism and propriety of the office, including his most recent AI video of him literally dumping **** all over the heads of Americans, all while prices continue going up (due in no small part to his pointless tariffs) and America gets mired further in economic uncertainty and strife

And these are just the ones that are top of mind after thinking about it for two seconds. He literally does and says wild, potentially illegal, and certainly improper **** every day.

Any one analagous action to these from Obama or Biden would have been the source of neverending Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax coverage, along with calls for impeachment. With this Republican congress? Crickets.

There is no indication of a desire by Congressional Republicans other than, completely crazily, MTG, to speak up about any of this mess.

Protests like this remind our leaders that a sizeable fraction of America is in stark disagreement with these and other behaviors and actions and inactions. It's the only thing the public can do until the next election. It's literally the only power the people have.

Which is what makes the ridiculous attacks on the protests from Trump and Mike Johnson on down (including on social media and on here) as "hate America" protests or full of old people, or betas, or whatever, so childish and immature and unAmerican.

Tens of millions of Americans are unhappy. What would you have them do? Which is more likely effective, tweeting about it into the void, or millions of Americans mobilizing and protesting in a way that leaders see and will find harder to dismiss?

Who knows what changes, if anything, but I guarantee you more Congressional Republicans are talking about No Kings issues behind closed doors than they would have, had the protest marches not occurred.

Civ, I'll put aside your vitriolic rant and try to deal with your points… atleast the ones I'm familiar with…

Tariffs - Tariffs have been used by many administrations either by initiating them or doing nothing about them. If your team was so worried about the tariffs, why didn't they get rid of the initial tariffs Trump did, in his first term. Also, as you typically say, let it playin the courts.

Birthright Citizenship - Executive order that will be tested in the courts. You know we do have people with disagreements on this subject.

DOGE - I think this one has no merit either. I really don't remember how this was created and what rules the WH used to justify this action. So, I'll need to do more research.

Targeting Law firms - these law firms have made a mint off the Federal Government, representing it for various means. Additionally, they are puppets of the left wing world. So, to get them to do pro bono work, based on the historical amounts of money, they've made, well, it's just part of the game. Otherwise, cut them off completely. They don't have a right to the work, you know…

Blackmailing Universities - If they receive funds from the Federal Government and they are in violation of an Executive order, well, hold the money. Universities do not have a right to funding.

Extrajudicial Killings - These people were attempting to illegally enter our waters with Drugs. Get them in international or US waters. Protecting the US is goal number 1 for the Federal Government.

Impounding of Funds - Funds not used should go where?

Ignoring court orders - which one specifically?

Violation of Hatch - You really want to use that? Wow!! That one is rich!!

Bailing out Argentina - Policy difference, that's ok…

The AG works for the President - Galrland never did that…

Governing by memes - you just don't like his style. That's called TDS.


Thanks Cary but clearly vitriol doesn't mean what you think it means. There was zero vitriol in my post.

Clearly you're in full support of all or virtually all of Trump's actions, which is certainly your prerogative.

The tone and content of this Administration is quite objectionable to tens of millions of Americans though (I obviously think largely justifiably so), and that's their prerogative too.

I just think "why would anyone protest this Administration?" is a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior, legality, Constitutionality, and decency with so many of their actions.

You may be perfectly fine with them doing so, but it's also perfectly clear why many people who have a contrary opinion would disagree strongly, and why many of those people would protest.
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s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?
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Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?

Pre populism:

WE DONT WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DICTATING WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!! PARENTS KNOWS BETTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Post populism:

WE NEED TO USE THE POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! GOVERNMENT KNOWS BETTER THAN THE PARENTS TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Now, we shouldn't be having drag shows and LGBT events in schools without op-outs for parents who don't want their children to be involved, wouldn't want my child to be involved, but at what point are we going to stop using kids as political agenda pawns and just educate them?
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hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?

Pre populism:

WE DONT WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DICTATING WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!! PARENTS KNOWS BETTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Post populism:

WE NEED TO USE THE POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! GOVERNMENT KNOWS BETTER THAN THE PARENTS TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Now, we shouldn't be having drag shows and LGBT events in schools without op-outs for parents who don't want their children to be involved, wouldn't want my child to be involved, but at what point are we going to stop using kids as political agenda pawns and just educate them?


Lol at the stupid populism take in regards to trannies in school. Godalmighty.

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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Gotta say...never really understood the "No Kings" theme. The USA was formed based on the notion, weve fought multiple wars over it. No matter how you feel about Trump, he was democratically elected, won every single swing state, and won the popular vote.

Maybe pick up a history book before creating idiotic themes

Jonah Goldberg nails it here.


Yea...I have no idea where this comes from. I dont know a single right winger that feels this way about Trump.

Also, what is the goal of this protest? What outcome are they looking to achieve?


Not sure what you mean about "where it comes from." If you mean the source, Goldberg is the founder of the right-center Dispatch, and whose bona fides WRT his conservative stances on all manners of topics are well-established.

If you're saying his opinions don't align with most Republicans that's not in dispute. His opinions are well-reasoned though, and there's obviously a subset of the right/center and a very high proportion of the left that feels the way he does.

As far as what the protests hope to achieve, same as any other protest I'm sure - raise awareness around the level of concern across the country for the lack of apparent democratic accountability in the Trump administration.

Political leaders have a harder time ignoring grievances if they believe there may be an electoral price to pay for their actions or inactions.

Where are the Pubs that want Trump to do whatever he wants? Please provide an actual example.

I do think most want him to govern without interference, particularly from the legislative branch. I dont think we are at the judicial tyranny some are screeching about, but I dont think you can argue that there are plenty of judges who have made some...lets call them questionable injunctions against Trump.

I do find your last two lines to be a bit ironic. Maybe if the Dems would have a bit of self reflection, they might understand why they got demolished in the 2024 election, but instead they seem hell bent on doubling down. Screeching about accountability when the last administration was led by a dude who doesnt have a clue what day of the week it is.


Where are the Pubs publicly criticizing or reigning in any of the quite possibly unconstitutional or illegal or non-normative acts so far this term?

The Republican Party has been captured by the cult. We literally have our President sending out videos of him dumping **** all over Americans becuase he doesn't like their opinions, and Press Secretaries telling snide Yo Mama jokes directed towards the press corps in response to normal questions because there is zero apparent accountability from anyone in the Administration towards the American people.

Tariffs
Birthright citizenship
Creation of DOGE and usurping of related powers normally reserved for Congress
Targeting law firms and attorneys via executive order
Blackmailing universities by witholding federal funding from universities unless they align politically with his goals
Extrajudicial killings of assumed drug runners in international waters
Impounding of funds allocated by Congress
Ignoring or defying immigration and other court orders
Blatant violations of the Hatch smearing Democrats in official White House and federal government correspondences and communications
Bailing out Argentina to the tune of tens of billions, all while China shifts more of its soybean purchasing to Argentina, which in turn necessitates propping up American soybean farmers even more
Completely transparent direction of his AG to pursue vindictive prosecution of Trump's political enemies
Governing by meme, and violating innumerable norms relating to the requisite professionalism and propriety of the office, including his most recent AI video of him literally dumping **** all over the heads of Americans, all while prices continue going up (due in no small part to his pointless tariffs) and America gets mired further in economic uncertainty and strife

And these are just the ones that are top of mind after thinking about it for two seconds. He literally does and says wild, potentially illegal, and certainly improper **** every day.

Any one analagous action to these from Obama or Biden would have been the source of neverending Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax coverage, along with calls for impeachment. With this Republican congress? Crickets.

There is no indication of a desire by Congressional Republicans other than, completely crazily, MTG, to speak up about any of this mess.

Protests like this remind our leaders that a sizeable fraction of America is in stark disagreement with these and other behaviors and actions and inactions. It's the only thing the public can do until the next election. It's literally the only power the people have.

Which is what makes the ridiculous attacks on the protests from Trump and Mike Johnson on down (including on social media and on here) as "hate America" protests or full of old people, or betas, or whatever, so childish and immature and unAmerican.

Tens of millions of Americans are unhappy. What would you have them do? Which is more likely effective, tweeting about it into the void, or millions of Americans mobilizing and protesting in a way that leaders see and will find harder to dismiss?

Who knows what changes, if anything, but I guarantee you more Congressional Republicans are talking about No Kings issues behind closed doors than they would have, had the protest marches not occurred.

Civ, I'll put aside your vitriolic rant and try to deal with your points… atleast the ones I'm familiar with…

Tariffs - Tariffs have been used by many administrations either by initiating them or doing nothing about them. If your team was so worried about the tariffs, why didn't they get rid of the initial tariffs Trump did, in his first term. Also, as you typically say, let it playin the courts.

Birthright Citizenship - Executive order that will be tested in the courts. You know we do have people with disagreements on this subject.

DOGE - I think this one has no merit either. I really don't remember how this was created and what rules the WH used to justify this action. So, I'll need to do more research.

Targeting Law firms - these law firms have made a mint off the Federal Government, representing it for various means. Additionally, they are puppets of the left wing world. So, to get them to do pro bono work, based on the historical amounts of money, they've made, well, it's just part of the game. Otherwise, cut them off completely. They don't have a right to the work, you know…

Blackmailing Universities - If they receive funds from the Federal Government and they are in violation of an Executive order, well, hold the money. Universities do not have a right to funding.

Extrajudicial Killings - These people were attempting to illegally enter our waters with Drugs. Get them in international or US waters. Protecting the US is goal number 1 for the Federal Government.

Impounding of Funds - Funds not used should go where?

Ignoring court orders - which one specifically?

Violation of Hatch - You really want to use that? Wow!! That one is rich!!

Bailing out Argentina - Policy difference, that's ok…

The AG works for the President - Galrland never did that…

Governing by memes - you just don't like his style. That's called TDS.


Thanks Cary but clearly vitriol doesn't mean what you think it means. There was zero vitriol in my post.

Clearly you're in full support of all or virtually all of Trump's actions, which is certainly your prerogative.

The tone and content of this Administration is quite objectionable to tens of millions of Americans though (I obviously think largely justifiably so), and that's their prerogative too.

I just think "why would anyone protest this Administration?" is a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior, legality, Constitutionality, and decency with so many of their actions.

You may be perfectly fine with them doing so, but it's also perfectly clear why many people who have a contrary opinion would disagree strongly, and why many of those people would protest.

Perhaps it is stealth vitriol, ha ha. Yes, I think you dodge the dictionary definition of the word, though interestingly, vitriol seems to be a word evolving in a way, such that caryking may be only slightly avant garde in using it, in the case of your most recent post. But given the list of negatives you have mentioned, is it possible that your true objection to Trump's actions is due to the potential for large rollbacks in the progressive agenda, possibly setting that agenda back by at least a quarter century? After all, Trump has shown more forbearance than I would have with respect to these ridiculous lower court injunctions, many of which better bear the title of unlawful/unprecedented/ unconstitutional, than anything Trump is accused of. As for pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior, well, it appears the People decided to elect someone of the non-political class just for that very reason.
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We held elections. Elections ----even when not rigged have consequences. People have spoken we want a return to traditional western values.
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Well said!
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Civ wants the president to lie to him. He doesn't want a president, like Trump, that tells you what he truly feels. Civ wants an Obama that will talk eloquently while bold face lying to you. Or Civ would even take a president that forgets what he's saying, can't read a Teleprompter, stutters, mumbles, and yells if that president has a D beside his name. Its that type of substance that Democrats possess and expect of others.

I love the memes. I especially loved JD Vance's. Knowing that it triggers the mentally ill makes it even better. They have created this situation. Now they have to live with the results.

Yang is here to stay a while.
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Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?
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Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

We could certainly invest more in psychiatric help to get them straightened out.
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Such a nice script, well written, don't you think, #Sieve?

"US appeals court lets Trump send troops to Portland"
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Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?
That takes empathy, which is not allowed in the current tribalism popular movement.
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Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

We could certainly invest more in psychiatric help to get them straightened out.


Civ has tried to normalize transgenderism for years. Hell, even now he's trying to equate it to lesbian gay. He used to cite political health organizations like AAP to justify that transgenderism is not a mental illness. It is.

Nobody is saying you have to be mean to transgender people. But you don't have to give them special treatment because they're transgender either. And it's not wrong to acknowledge it is a mental illness that they should probably try to get treatment for. There's a reason the suicide rate is so high among transgender people, and it's not because people are mean to them like the enablers like to claim.
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Gotta say...never really understood the "No Kings" theme. The USA was formed based on the notion, weve fought multiple wars over it. No matter how you feel about Trump, he was democratically elected, won every single swing state, and won the popular vote.

Maybe pick up a history book before creating idiotic themes

Jonah Goldberg nails it here.


Yea...I have no idea where this comes from. I dont know a single right winger that feels this way about Trump.

Also, what is the goal of this protest? What outcome are they looking to achieve?


Not sure what you mean about "where it comes from." If you mean the source, Goldberg is the founder of the right-center Dispatch, and whose bona fides WRT his conservative stances on all manners of topics are well-established.

If you're saying his opinions don't align with most Republicans that's not in dispute. His opinions are well-reasoned though, and there's obviously a subset of the right/center and a very high proportion of the left that feels the way he does.

As far as what the protests hope to achieve, same as any other protest I'm sure - raise awareness around the level of concern across the country for the lack of apparent democratic accountability in the Trump administration.

Political leaders have a harder time ignoring grievances if they believe there may be an electoral price to pay for their actions or inactions.

Where are the Pubs that want Trump to do whatever he wants? Please provide an actual example.

I do think most want him to govern without interference, particularly from the legislative branch. I dont think we are at the judicial tyranny some are screeching about, but I dont think you can argue that there are plenty of judges who have made some...lets call them questionable injunctions against Trump.

I do find your last two lines to be a bit ironic. Maybe if the Dems would have a bit of self reflection, they might understand why they got demolished in the 2024 election, but instead they seem hell bent on doubling down. Screeching about accountability when the last administration was led by a dude who doesnt have a clue what day of the week it is.


Where are the Pubs publicly criticizing or reigning in any of the quite possibly unconstitutional or illegal or non-normative acts so far this term?

The Republican Party has been captured by the cult. We literally have our President sending out videos of him dumping **** all over Americans becuase he doesn't like their opinions, and Press Secretaries telling snide Yo Mama jokes directed towards the press corps in response to normal questions because there is zero apparent accountability from anyone in the Administration towards the American people.

Tariffs
Birthright citizenship
Creation of DOGE and usurping of related powers normally reserved for Congress
Targeting law firms and attorneys via executive order
Blackmailing universities by witholding federal funding from universities unless they align politically with his goals
Extrajudicial killings of assumed drug runners in international waters
Impounding of funds allocated by Congress
Ignoring or defying immigration and other court orders
Blatant violations of the Hatch smearing Democrats in official White House and federal government correspondences and communications
Bailing out Argentina to the tune of tens of billions, all while China shifts more of its soybean purchasing to Argentina, which in turn necessitates propping up American soybean farmers even more
Completely transparent direction of his AG to pursue vindictive prosecution of Trump's political enemies
Governing by meme, and violating innumerable norms relating to the requisite professionalism and propriety of the office, including his most recent AI video of him literally dumping **** all over the heads of Americans, all while prices continue going up (due in no small part to his pointless tariffs) and America gets mired further in economic uncertainty and strife

And these are just the ones that are top of mind after thinking about it for two seconds. He literally does and says wild, potentially illegal, and certainly improper **** every day.

Any one analagous action to these from Obama or Biden would have been the source of neverending Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax coverage, along with calls for impeachment. With this Republican congress? Crickets.

There is no indication of a desire by Congressional Republicans other than, completely crazily, MTG, to speak up about any of this mess.

Protests like this remind our leaders that a sizeable fraction of America is in stark disagreement with these and other behaviors and actions and inactions. It's the only thing the public can do until the next election. It's literally the only power the people have.

Which is what makes the ridiculous attacks on the protests from Trump and Mike Johnson on down (including on social media and on here) as "hate America" protests or full of old people, or betas, or whatever, so childish and immature and unAmerican.

Tens of millions of Americans are unhappy. What would you have them do? Which is more likely effective, tweeting about it into the void, or millions of Americans mobilizing and protesting in a way that leaders see and will find harder to dismiss?

Who knows what changes, if anything, but I guarantee you more Congressional Republicans are talking about No Kings issues behind closed doors than they would have, had the protest marches not occurred.

Civ, I'll put aside your vitriolic rant and try to deal with your points… atleast the ones I'm familiar with…

Tariffs - Tariffs have been used by many administrations either by initiating them or doing nothing about them. If your team was so worried about the tariffs, why didn't they get rid of the initial tariffs Trump did, in his first term. Also, as you typically say, let it playin the courts.

Birthright Citizenship - Executive order that will be tested in the courts. You know we do have people with disagreements on this subject.

DOGE - I think this one has no merit either. I really don't remember how this was created and what rules the WH used to justify this action. So, I'll need to do more research.

Targeting Law firms - these law firms have made a mint off the Federal Government, representing it for various means. Additionally, they are puppets of the left wing world. So, to get them to do pro bono work, based on the historical amounts of money, they've made, well, it's just part of the game. Otherwise, cut them off completely. They don't have a right to the work, you know…

Blackmailing Universities - If they receive funds from the Federal Government and they are in violation of an Executive order, well, hold the money. Universities do not have a right to funding.

Extrajudicial Killings - These people were attempting to illegally enter our waters with Drugs. Get them in international or US waters. Protecting the US is goal number 1 for the Federal Government.

Impounding of Funds - Funds not used should go where?

Ignoring court orders - which one specifically?

Violation of Hatch - You really want to use that? Wow!! That one is rich!!

Bailing out Argentina - Policy difference, that's ok…

The AG works for the President - Galrland never did that…

Governing by memes - you just don't like his style. That's called TDS.


Thanks Cary but clearly vitriol doesn't mean what you think it means. There was zero vitriol in my post.

Clearly you're in full support of all or virtually all of Trump's actions, which is certainly your prerogative.

The tone and content of this Administration is quite objectionable to tens of millions of Americans though (I obviously think largely justifiably so), and that's their prerogative too.

I just think "why would anyone protest this Administration?" is a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior, legality, Constitutionality, and decency with so many of their actions.

You may be perfectly fine with them doing so, but it's also perfectly clear why many people who have a contrary opinion would disagree strongly, and why many of those people would protest.

Vitriol - bitter criticism

vitriol fits perfectly.

Just so you know, I don't really care too much about those 10's of million of people. Those same people didn't give a damn about the other 10's of millions of people, just last year. I'm perfectly fine with this administration, just like those 10's of million were perfectly fine with the last admin, as well as the beer summit admin.

Just because you and any of the people like you, find this admin, objectionable, well..

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!! Sound familiar?
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Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

My GodSon is gay and married another dude this summer. Brought his husband to our huge family event. We dealt with it, my GodSon is a good man -29ish now - educated - etc. Still, its the wrong direction and we sure as hell shouldn't be pushing this agenda in our schools. Grow up in California and attend an Ivy League school for further brainwashing and you get a gay liberal pulling for Antifa. Yep, my GodSon. Too much damn Soy!
#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
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hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?


Pre populism:

WE DONT WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DICTATING WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!! PARENTS KNOWS BETTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Post populism:

WE NEED TO USE THE POWER OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHATS BEING TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! GOVERNMENT KNOWS BETTER THAN THE PARENTS TO DECIDE WHAT AND WHAT ISNT TAUGHT TO THEIR KIDS!!!

Now, we shouldn't be having drag shows and LGBT events in schools without op-outs for parents who don't want their children to be involved, wouldn't want my child to be involved, but at what point are we going to stop using kids as political agenda pawns and just educate them?

Hokie, that's the least thought out post in sometime.

The post populism characterization is so false. So, you're saying post populism, the people want the federal government to intervene, at the same time, the post populists want to shut down the dept of education.

At the same time, you're also suggesting a policy for parental opt-outs? Who are you suggesting should pass this law?
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Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

Suggest a good bible teaching church. It can't hurt…
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Werewolf said:

Civilized said:

Werewolf said:

s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?



I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

My GodSon is gay and married another dude this summer. Brought his husband to our huge family event. We dealt with it, my GodSon is a good man -29ish now - educated - etc. Still, its the wrong direction and we sure as hell shouldn't be pushing this agenda in our schools. Grow up in California and attend an Ivy League school for further brainwashing and you get a gay liberal pulling for Antifa. Yep, my GodSon. Too much damn Soy!

As with all sin, we are called to repent. Ultimately, we are sinners; however, our goal is recognize those sins and do everything to not act on them. That said…

John 8:7 - I paraphrase, he who is without sin can cast the first stone. He then said, go and leave your life of sin.

Again, we are all sinners; however, we don't have to act on our sin.
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And #Sieve, rhe open borders and outrage at killing these drug traffickers does more than fall on deaf ears with me. Families in this country have had enough of you people's bull****; you have no idea what losses others have experienced with your pussified approach to protecting our children and grandchildren....you have no ****ing idea!
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