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Oldsouljer said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.



You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.

Well, I hope it's not actually a real skeleton.


Haha, I don't think so but I have noticed in life people who point fingers or judge others are often times complete hypocrites.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.



You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.

Well, I hope it's not actually a real skeleton.


Haha, I don't think so but I have noticed in life people who point fingers or judge others are often times complete hypocrites.
oh, you mean like BBW and packgrad?
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.



You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.

Well, I hope it's not actually a real skeleton.


Haha, I don't think so but I have noticed in life people who point fingers or judge others are often times complete hypocrites.
oh, you mean like BBW and packgrad?


Definitely like you.
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I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks
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Gulfstream4
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hokiewolf said:

I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks


Canadians with their "bacon"deserve it along with any Yankee and people who call a grill a BBQ.
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hokiewolf said:

I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks

I told myself yesterday I was going to stay out of this but brining up your lack of grilling expertise needed to be pointed out.

Just because you do not know how to grill does not mean others do not. Reverse sear is a fantastic way to grill steaks.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.



You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.

Well, I hope it's not actually a real skeleton.


Haha, I don't think so but I have noticed in life people who point fingers or judge others are often times complete hypocrites.

It's pretty hard not to judge your stunning lack of self-awareness. Literally all you perpetually persecuted snowflakes have ever done on here is point fingers and judge others. Did I mention the IPS staff won't even set foot in here? You really are the worst.

Have a nice day!

Werewolf
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Bolton had to wait in his driveway in his underpants with the search underway. This little weasel needs to be perp walked, 1st opportunity.
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks


Canadians with their "bacon"deserve it along with any Yankee and people who call a grill a BBQ.

P.S. Trump is literally the most obnoxious Yankee who has ever existed, and you worship him. Go figure.
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Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.




You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.


LOLOL

Y'all are being oddly sensitive about what I've said on here.

What does my closet have to do with anything I've ever said?

I've got takes on political and other leaders and their actions and inactions, as we all do.

Who exactly have I pointed fingers at on here? Are we still talking about me calling someone's take "shortsighted" or are we talking about my exchange with Souljer?

I'm never on here calling posters names or talking about them personally, or making up their views and arguing against made-up stances like many folks on here do.

I've got political takes on a political topic.

Souljer literally said...

Quote:

...much of the animus towards [Trump] has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way


and I responded...

Quote:

Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?


It's a direct response to what Souljer said, and that's it. I was questioning why in the world we're looking for mystical reasons that there's animus towards Trump, when his behavior alone is obviously very sufficient explanation for the animus.
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"I've got political takes on a political topic."

Yes, you certainly do, LOL. Gonna be the whole kit n kaboodle for you in the not so distant future. Tar, feathers, crow.......the whole bit. And you'll still deny the truth.

So F'n brainwashed you haven't a clue what's underway right before your eyes.
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RIght in front of ya, it's coming.

What does "assume we using the same channels?" actually mean?

By the way, Obama was born in Vancouver, BC not in Kenya. You heard it here, 1st!
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.



You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.

Well, I hope it's not actually a real skeleton.


Haha, I don't think so but I have noticed in life people who point fingers or judge others are often times complete hypocrites.

It's pretty hard not to judge your stunning lack of self-awareness. Literally all you perpetually persecuted snowflakes have ever done on here is point fingers and judge others. Did I mention the IPS staff won't even set foot in here? You really are the worst.

Have a nice day!




I wonder what your like in real life and if you would talk to people the way you do here. I would like to meet you and give you the chance.
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks


Canadians with their "bacon"deserve it along with any Yankee and people who call a grill a BBQ.

P.S. Trump is literally the most obnoxious Yankee who has ever existed, and you worship him. Go figure.


I don't worship anyone but my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I just need your President Trump to put a stop to your far left nonsense. So far he's doing that and I enjoy your daily tears and outrage.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

I don't know how history will regard DJT. But much of the animus towards him has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way. First guy since Eisenhower to go to the White House without holding prior office.


Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?

This isn't a mellow, likable, professional chap like John Kasich suddenly becoming a pariah for reasons unclear. It's someone who behaves extraordinarily poorly and who represents the Presidency and our country in ways never before seen catching heat commensurately with his behavior.

Not much of what you've said, logically connects to anything I said, thus I really can't respond except perhaps to say that a significant majority of the American people decided that was what should be elected. No one for or against him can claim they didn't know what they were getting in electing him.




You know, I sometimes wonder what the liberals are like in real life while riding their high horse on the internet? What skeletons does Civ have in his closet but yet he wants to point fingers at someone.


LOLOL

Y'all are being oddly sensitive about what I've said on here.

What does my closet have to do with anything I've ever said?

I've got takes on political and other leaders and their actions and inactions, as we all do.

Who exactly have I pointed fingers at on here? Are we still talking about me calling someone's take "shortsighted" or are we talking about my exchange with Souljer?

I'm never on here calling posters names or talking about them personally, or making up their views and arguing against made-up stances like many folks on here do.

I've got political takes on a political topic.

Souljer literally said...

Quote:

...much of the animus towards [Trump] has to do with the fact that he "didn't pay his dues", I.e., come up through successive levels of office, becoming corrupted, and therefore controllable, along the way


and I responded...

Quote:

Fascinating that given his mountain of trashy, abusive, norm-violating, Jan-6'ing, illegal behavior that you and others want to ascribe "much of the animus" towards him to some nebulous sense of him not having paid political dues.

Isn't a vastly more likely explanation for the animus towards him simply that his bad behavior warrants most of the animus?


It's a direct response to what Souljer said, and that's it. I was questioning why in the world we're looking for mystical reasons that there's animus towards Trump, when his behavior alone is obviously very sufficient explanation for the animus.


It's not just you and I sincerely apologize. I was not trying to single you out. I guess my point, perhaps I did not make, was my liberal friends who judge Trump and their fellow Americans knowing good and well they too are not perfect. It's easy to talk the talk, it's hard to walk the walk (myself included)
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"I'm never on here calling posters names or talking about them personally, or making up their views and arguing against made-up stances like many folks on here do."

100% untrue. Crazy how comfortable the guys that like to play victim are with lying.

Also, notice how civ and hokie are fine with smapty's daily name calling? It aligns with their politics though.
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hokiewolf
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I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.
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Cthepack said:

hokiewolf said:

I only judge Canadians and people who reverse sear their steaks

I told myself yesterday I was going to stay out of this but brining up your lack of grilling expertise needed to be pointed out.

Just because you do not know how to grill does not mean others do not. Reverse sear is a fantastic way to grill steaks.
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hokiewolf said:

I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.


Yes, we are all aware you want to hold others to standards that you yourself don't meet.
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hokiewolf
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.


Yes, we are all aware you want to hold others to standards that you yourself don't meet.

Ok, I'll say this differently. What standard would you like and I would be happy to stick to it.
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packgrad
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.


Yes, we are all aware you want to hold others to standards that you yourself don't meet.

Ok, I'll say this differently. What standard would you like and I would be happy to stick to it.


OK. I'll say this differently. Practice what you preach.
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hokiewolf
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Sure thing. I will be happy to not insult people, just as I've done for years here.
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At this point, I'm just here for the daily meltdowns. Quite entertaining.

And...

"I'm going to take my ball and go home"

Then 3 days later I'm back again...

"No, this time I really mean it"

I hardly even pay any attention to Civ anymore... he's never going to admit that he is wrong about anything. Or even consider that he might be. Even though time and time again, he is. At least when it comes to what he talks about on this board anyway.
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.


Yes, we are all aware you want to hold others to standards that you yourself don't meet.


Yes, please, go quote all the times hokie has called people mentally ill sheep, or worse.

Show us all those times he failed to live up to the same standard he holds others to.


packgrad
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Civilized said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

I don't think we should have any name calling, but you guys set the discourse here, so when you stop, I'm sure others will stop too.


Yes, we are all aware you want to hold others to standards that you yourself don't meet.


Yes, please, go quote all the times hokie has called people mentally ill sheep, or worse.

Show us all those times he failed to live up to the same standard he holds others to.





Lol. No.


That said, I think we could just use your posting history and assume that what you're saying is not true.
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