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caryking
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SmaptyWolf said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.

Coming from a 100% Marxist Communist, that's rich…
hokiewolf
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

Do you project much?

This is a forum littered with conspiracy theories and you're worried about my opinion? alrighty
hokiewolf
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Werewolf said:



SmaptyWolf
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caryking said:

SmaptyWolf said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.

Coming from a 100% Marxist Communist, that's rich…

Lol, BBW, is it you?

To you dim bulbs anyone who said a nice thing about Social Security that one time is OMG 100% MARXIST COMMUNIST!
hokiewolf
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So you all can refute my numbers, current tariff related costs have increased project costs in commercial construction around 5.21% with the main contributors being steel, aluminum, copper, sheet metal, lumber, and glass.

Here are the sources:

[ol]
  • https://www.bea.gov/industry/input-output-accounts-data
  • https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-tariffs-tracker/
  • https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/uvicecon103/chapter/4-7-tariffs/
  • https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/tariffs-are-coming-how-trade-dynamics-will-shape-aggregate-demand-and-inflation
  • https://www.trade.gov/report/tradestats-express-national-and-state-trade-data
  • [/ol]
    Civilized
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    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.
    caryking
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    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    Tariffs, the cure for everything!

    You've got to start somewhere….

    it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


    Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

    The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

    Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

    Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

    Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

    Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

    Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

    Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

    Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



    Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

    Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

    That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

    That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

    "In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

    What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

    What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

    If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

    Do you project much?

    This is a forum littered with conspiracy theories and you're worried about my opinion? alrighty

    Worry?? I didn't say anything like that. What I said is that I believe you are projecting…
    caryking
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    SmaptyWolf said:

    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    Tariffs, the cure for everything!

    You've got to start somewhere….

    it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


    Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

    The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

    Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

    Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

    Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

    Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

    Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

    Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

    Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



    Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

    Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

    That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

    That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

    "In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

    What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

    What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

    If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

    It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.

    Coming from a 100% Marxist Communist, that's rich…

    Lol, BBW, is it you?

    To you dim bulbs anyone who said a nice thing about Social Security that one time is OMG 100% MARXIST COMMUNIST!

    Yes!! I believe you come from a Marxist and/or Communist ideology.
    caryking
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    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.

    We will see…. Impoundment is next, hopefully.
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    hokiewolf said:

    So you all can refute my numbers, current tariff related costs have increased project costs in commercial construction around 5.21% with the main contributors being steel, aluminum, copper, sheet metal, lumber, and glass.

    Here are the sources:

    [ol]
  • https://www.bea.gov/industry/input-output-accounts-data
  • https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-tariffs-tracker/
  • https://pressbooks.bccampus.ca/uvicecon103/chapter/4-7-tariffs/
  • https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/tariffs-are-coming-how-trade-dynamics-will-shape-aggregate-demand-and-inflation
  • https://www.trade.gov/report/tradestats-express-national-and-state-trade-data
  • [/ol]



    Just had our third supplier today bemoan increased tariff costs that they're having to pass through. 20%-30% increases on Drutex aluminum windows (Polish manufacturer of high-end commercial-style windows for residential applications) due to aluminum and glass tariffs.

    Will cost our client an additional $35k on that $120k window and door package or he can settle on a lower-quality Marvin or Pella clad product that doesn't have the desired tilt/casement operation.

    How is reducing consumer choice and driving up prices helping consumers again?

    ETA If Cthepack would solicit Drutex as a client and help them cut their costs by 30% so that our US window and door prices don't increase that would be a lot of winning in the Water Cooler!!
    Werewolf
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    I'd love to be the guy that gets to pull the rope to drop this POS through the trap door.
    FlossyDFlynt
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    Im going to continue on my harp about Democrats being completely awful at messaging



    Please fire whoever is in charge of this account. They are doing you no favors whatsoever
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    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    Tariffs, the cure for everything!

    You've got to start somewhere….

    it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


    Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

    The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

    Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

    Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

    Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

    Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

    Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

    Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

    Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



    Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

    Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

    That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

    That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

    "In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

    What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

    What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

    If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

    It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.

    Coming from a 100% Marxist Communist, that's rich…

    Lol, BBW, is it you?

    To you dim bulbs anyone who said a nice thing about Social Security that one time is OMG 100% MARXIST COMMUNIST!

    Yes!! I believe you come from a Marxist and/or Communist ideology.

    That's cool! I believe you were severely lead poisoned as a kid.
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    LOLOL

    Fully expect Powell to have a horse's head in his bed after this, but Trump needs more people around him like this that don't just fellate him and enable his non-stop blathering.
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    FlossyDFlynt said:

    Im going to continue on my harp about Democrats being completely awful at messaging



    Please fire whoever is in charge of this account. They are doing you no favors whatsoever


    Lol. They deleted it.

    Idiots.
    SmaptyWolf
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    Trump's guy racing over to chat with Ghislaine just before Congress calls her in for a hearing. Totally normal!


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    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1
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    SmaptyWolf said:

    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    caryking said:

    hokiewolf said:

    Tariffs, the cure for everything!

    You've got to start somewhere….

    it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


    Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

    The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

    Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

    Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

    Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

    Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

    Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

    Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

    Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



    Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

    Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

    That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

    That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

    "In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

    What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

    What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

    If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

    It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.

    Coming from a 100% Marxist Communist, that's rich…

    Lol, BBW, is it you?

    To you dim bulbs anyone who said a nice thing about Social Security that one time is OMG 100% MARXIST COMMUNIST!

    Yes!! I believe you come from a Marxist and/or Communist ideology.

    That's cool! I believe you were severely lead poisoned as a kid.

    LOL…. Ok, I'll give you that one…. That's funny.
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    SmaptyWolf said:

    Trump's guy racing over to chat with Ghislaine just before Congress calls her in for a hearing. Totally normal!




    And… you all make fun of my sources.. the onion? Really? That's as far left of a propaganda rag as you can find.
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    packgrad said:

    FlossyDFlynt said:

    Im going to continue on my harp about Democrats being completely awful at messaging



    Please fire whoever is in charge of this account. They are doing you no favors whatsoever


    Lol. They deleted it.

    Idiots.

    But the internet never forgets
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    Big picture, here's the choice.
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    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1
    Yep, and I didn't even mention the most egregiously conflicted and unethical act of starting a ****coin while in office so he can make tens or hundreds of millions grifting off the world and being bribed tracelessly by any unsavory nation or character that wants to. That's also definitely a totally normal and healthy behavior by an American president.

    I seem to remember a day when Cary was on here bemoaning Biden making money from - get this - writing a book after he left office as VP and questioning how he had significant equity in his house after owning it for a few decades. Seems downright Pleasantville-ish by comparison doesn't it?

    But let's gaslight instead, way more fun!
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    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1

    These are the sentiments of those who decry dictatorship….unless it's their dictatorship.
    CALS grad
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    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1
    Yep, and I didn't even mention the most egregiously conflicted and unethical act of starting a ****coin while in office so he can make tens or hundreds of millions grifting off the world and being bribed tracelessly by any unsavory nation or character that wants to. That's also definitely a totally normal and healthy behavior by an American president.

    I seem to remember a day when Cary was on here bemoaning Biden making money from - get this - writing a book after he left office as VP and questioning how he had significant equity in his house after owning it for a few decades. Seems downright Pleasantville-ish by comparison doesn't it?

    But let's gaslight instead, way more fun!


    Yeah-yeah, we get it. Trump bad. Trump real bad. Trump real real bad…
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    Oldsouljer said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1

    These are the sentiments of those who decry dictatorship….unless it's their dictatorship.


    Mean while Obama does everything he can to undermine Trumps first term all while democrats cry "threat to our democracy"!!!
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    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Trump's guy racing over to chat with Ghislaine just before Congress calls her in for a hearing. Totally normal!




    And… you all make fun of my sources.. the onion? Really? That's as far left of a propaganda rag as you can find.

    The Onion isn't a "source", it's satire. The fact that you can't tell the difference definitely explains your "sources".
    Civilized
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    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1

    Yep, and I didn't even mention the most egregiously conflicted and unethical act of starting a ****coin while in office so he can make tens or hundreds of millions grifting off the world and being bribed tracelessly by any unsavory nation or character that wants to. That's also definitely a totally normal and healthy behavior by an American president.

    I seem to remember a day when Cary was on here bemoaning Biden making money from - get this - writing a book after he left office as VP and questioning how he had significant equity in his house after owning it for a few decades. Seems downright Pleasantville-ish by comparison doesn't it?

    But let's gaslight instead, way more fun!


    Yeah-yeah, we get it. Trump bad. Trump real bad. Trump real real bad…


    Have you noticed you (along with a few others on here) never argue the topic at hand and instead either insult the poster, or deflect and change the subject?

    The only people in the world that don't think Trump having a ****coin is completely unethical, imprudent, and generally just terrible for the US are some Republicans, and Trump's oligarch buddies around the world.

    Literally no one else that studies or appreciates democracy thinks that it's normal, or OK.
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    #Sieve, you sound bitter and you're grasping at straws. It shows that you're subconsciously aware, to certain extent, your side is losing. We have many weeks of exposure ahead, you're going to find out what losing feels like........it will be painful for you. I, for one, hope you wake up.
    Werewolf
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    There should be new information forthcoming as it relates to our elections and 1st thing might actually be initially relative to the 2016 election. We certainly have the 2020 election related info and it will come in Sept/Oct, I understand.

    This guy is former CIA and now some sort of a contracted guy. He discusses Venezuela's Govt (largest criminal organization in the world) and its development of what is now Smartmatic and Dominion voting systems. He discusses the background and development over the last 20+ years up to now where it's housed in servers in Serbia. He ties all of this to Cuban intelligence and the CCP........exactly what I've been sharing for the last 3-4 months.......it is coming. Slam Dunk, baby!
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    SmaptyWolf said:

    caryking said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Trump's guy racing over to chat with Ghislaine just before Congress calls her in for a hearing. Totally normal!




    And… you all make fun of my sources.. the onion? Really? That's as far left of a propaganda rag as you can find.

    The Onion isn't a "source", it's satire. The fact that you can't tell the difference definitely explains your "sources".

    #Nappy shares Obama's strong belief system. Your sons should hang out with gays and you have no allegiance to the United States.

    Obama has an excuse for the 2nd part, he was NOT born here. What's your excuse, #Nappy?


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    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1

    Yep, and I didn't even mention the most egregiously conflicted and unethical act of starting a ****coin while in office so he can make tens or hundreds of millions grifting off the world and being bribed tracelessly by any unsavory nation or character that wants to. That's also definitely a totally normal and healthy behavior by an American president.

    I seem to remember a day when Cary was on here bemoaning Biden making money from - get this - writing a book after he left office as VP and questioning how he had significant equity in his house after owning it for a few decades. Seems downright Pleasantville-ish by comparison doesn't it?

    But let's gaslight instead, way more fun!


    Yeah-yeah, we get it. Trump bad. Trump real bad. Trump real real bad…


    Have you noticed you (along with a few others on here) never argue the topic at hand and instead either insult the poster, or deflect and change the subject?

    The only people in the world that don't think Trump having a ****coin is completely unethical, imprudent, and generally just terrible for the US are some Republicans, and Trump's oligarch buddies around the world.

    Literally no one else that studies or appreciates democracy thinks that it's normal, or OK.


    You live in a bubble of hate and anger for someone you never met. Your great President Trump could cure cancer and you would still hate the guy. Funny thing is you hated Bush, you hate Trump and you'll hate the next person who doesn't have a (D) behind their name.

    So forgive if I don't try to change your mind with each of your unhinged post.
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    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    Gulfstream4 said:

    Civilized said:

    SmaptyWolf said:

    Werewolf said:

    Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


    America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

    We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.


    Not just kiss his ass. Literally bribe him and the federal government.

    Big 5 companies funding his ridiculous inauguration on the order of 2x any past president. Universities paying hundreds of millions to restore (likely illegally witheld) federal funding. Law firms providing up to $1 billion in pro bono legal services to help defend his illegality. That's "billion" with a B.

    We are certainly in unprecedented times.


    LOL-another day, another "unprecedented times"…another threat to our democracy…another oUtrAGe!!1

    Yep, and I didn't even mention the most egregiously conflicted and unethical act of starting a ****coin while in office so he can make tens or hundreds of millions grifting off the world and being bribed tracelessly by any unsavory nation or character that wants to. That's also definitely a totally normal and healthy behavior by an American president.

    I seem to remember a day when Cary was on here bemoaning Biden making money from - get this - writing a book after he left office as VP and questioning how he had significant equity in his house after owning it for a few decades. Seems downright Pleasantville-ish by comparison doesn't it?

    But let's gaslight instead, way more fun!


    Yeah-yeah, we get it. Trump bad. Trump real bad. Trump real real bad…


    Have you noticed you (along with a few others on here) never argue the topic at hand and instead either insult the poster, or deflect and change the subject?

    The only people in the world that don't think Trump having a ****coin is completely unethical, imprudent, and generally just terrible for the US are some Republicans, and Trump's oligarch buddies around the world.

    Literally no one else that studies or appreciates democracy thinks that it's normal, or OK.

    Did you have the same feelings about Hunter Biden's paintings? Or Burisma?

    They are all crooks. Its par for the course in DC
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