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Cthepack
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Werewolf said:

Most all roads lead to the Brits. The so-called Deep State does. The biggest road is the Federal Reserve.....no more 'federal' than Federal Express.

My country without a constitution. Does have a lot of roads. Mostly very crouded or very small.
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Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.

OH, WE'VE REALLY GOT HIM THIS TIME!
Werewolf
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My son in law. a dual citizen w his mother a Brit, took my assertion with a wry smile. Stay tuned, it's going to heat up. When i use the term 'Brit's' it's a reference to the Crown MI6, and it's City within the City.

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Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.


Yeah, why, oh, why would Dems ever be interested in Trump's OMG EPSTEIN WAS DEEP-STATE MURDERED then ELECT ME I'LL RELEASE EVERYTHING then ACTUALLY THERE'S NO LIST then ACTUALLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE ANYTHING then ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT ISN'T REAL MAGA then CONGRESS GO HOME PLEASE SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON RELEASING ANYTHING crazed yo-yo-ing.

Literally no one on the left is concerned about Obama. Trump dropping Obama's name is a completely transparent smokescreen to distract from his own self-inflicted wounds.
Werewolf
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.....and of course, we can skin a cat a number of ways.
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….
it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.


Yeah, why, oh, why would Dems ever be interested in Trump's OMG EPSTEIN WAS DEEP-STATE MURDERED then ELECT ME I'LL RELEASE EVERYTHING then ACTUALLY THERE'S NO LIST then ACTUALLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE ANYTHING then ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT ISN'T REAL MAGA then CONGRESS GO HOME PLEASE SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON RELEASING ANYTHING crazed yo-yo-ing.

Literally no one on the left is concerned about Obama. Trump dropping Obama's name is a completely transparent smokescreen to distract from his own self-inflicted wounds.



You didn't give a * about Epstein all four years of the Biden administration. Now you have been instructed to do so and here you are with the oUtRaGE!!1 GET TRUMP!!11

No one on the left is EVER considered with the Obama crime syndicate. You don't dare question Obama or you're labeled a racist.

You are not fooling anyone
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….
it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…
The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.
Werewolf
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#Sieve, #whistleblowers are flooding out of the Obama Administration.

Q: when does a bird sing? ;-)

Werewolf
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Coming for the FED and its handlers.
Werewolf
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The process of extinguishing the propaganda arm of the Marxists.
Werewolf
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Extinguishing the propaganda. Trying to lend a helping hand to #daSieve. There must be hope for #Sieve!
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Werewolf
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Numerous fronts to this war, this may be the biggest. An enemy buried deep within............
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.


Yeah, why, oh, why would Dems ever be interested in Trump's OMG EPSTEIN WAS DEEP-STATE MURDERED then ELECT ME I'LL RELEASE EVERYTHING then ACTUALLY THERE'S NO LIST then ACTUALLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE ANYTHING then ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT ISN'T REAL MAGA then CONGRESS GO HOME PLEASE SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON RELEASING ANYTHING crazed yo-yo-ing.

Literally no one on the left is concerned about Obama. Trump dropping Obama's name is a completely transparent smokescreen to distract from his own self-inflicted wounds.



You didn't give a * about Epstein all four years of the Biden administration. Now you have been instructed to do so and here you are with the oUtRaGE!!1 GET TRUMP!!11

No one on the left is EVER considered with the Obama crime syndicate. You don't dare question Obama or you're labeled a racist.

You are not fooling anyone

Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.


Yeah, why, oh, why would Dems ever be interested in Trump's OMG EPSTEIN WAS DEEP-STATE MURDERED then ELECT ME I'LL RELEASE EVERYTHING then ACTUALLY THERE'S NO LIST then ACTUALLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE ANYTHING then ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT ISN'T REAL MAGA then CONGRESS GO HOME PLEASE SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON RELEASING ANYTHING crazed yo-yo-ing.

Literally no one on the left is concerned about Obama. Trump dropping Obama's name is a completely transparent smokescreen to distract from his own self-inflicted wounds.



You didn't give a * about Epstein all four years of the Biden administration. Now you have been instructed to do so and here you are with the oUtRaGE!!1 GET TRUMP!!11

No one on the left is EVER considered with the Obama crime syndicate. You don't dare question Obama or you're labeled a racist.

You are not fooling anyone


I don't give a **** about Epstein now. Do you see me on here clamoring over Epstein? Most of this Epstein pressure is coming from inside the Republican Party and from Trump's base. The left is definitely laughing at it though.

Mainly it's hilarious to watch your DeEp STaTe cONsPirAcY nonsense fall apart concurrently with Trump lying in the bed he made, selling his worshipers on the idea of him draining the conspiracy swamp and then having to backtrack that there really wasn't a conspiracy with Epstein and also, oh yeah by the way, he was actually super-duper close with Epstein.

No one has ever been concerned about Obama because there's never been evidence of anything scandalous about Obama other than in Trump's fake-news birther-ism. That's why no one is concerned. Go list the top 10 things Obama is credibly accused of, and then do the same with Trump and compare the two lists. There's your answer.

Get out of the Trump mirror funhouse, man.
Werewolf
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#Sieve, thankfully you're a relatively young guy and can have a meltdown without a heart attack. LOL
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

El Lobo Loco said:

Can someone explain to me what happened since January to make the release of the Epstein files so important to Democrats?

They had the files for the previous four years which would have given them ample opportunity to release them. Why are they such a hot topic for them now?


They finally found something to latch on to, Lord knows they need SOMETHING to cheer for. Plus it's a distraction from the Obama crime syndicate.


Yeah, why, oh, why would Dems ever be interested in Trump's OMG EPSTEIN WAS DEEP-STATE MURDERED then ELECT ME I'LL RELEASE EVERYTHING then ACTUALLY THERE'S NO LIST then ACTUALLY WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE ANYTHING then ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT ISN'T REAL MAGA then CONGRESS GO HOME PLEASE SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON RELEASING ANYTHING crazed yo-yo-ing.

Literally no one on the left is concerned about Obama. Trump dropping Obama's name is a completely transparent smokescreen to distract from his own self-inflicted wounds.



Obama/Soros have always been the white whales for them for some reason. Meanwhile taco is in the files. First Robinson and now taco. Man the gop sure knows where to find the scum of the earth.
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Werewolf
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#Sieve, they're lining up.........LOL
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Werewolf
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Darn #Sieve, you got us! The end of MAGA and America First. :-)
hokiewolf
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.


Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



I appreciate the back handed insult though.
Werewolf
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Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!
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Werewolf said:

Tech Boss praises Trump..........no other country has a Trump. You just got 'punked'.


America's great companies now have to publicly kiss Trump's ass in order to get ahead and/or avoid retribution.

We're hurtling toward Banana Republic at light speed.
Werewolf
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The Battle of Lexington, Part II.
hokiewolf
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)
Werewolf
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SmaptyWolf
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

It's even worse than socialism. It's crony socialism. Trump alone decides how the money is spent, so American companies have to kiss his ass to get in on the action.
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)


So this deal is a bad thing?
caryking
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)

Do you project much?
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hokiewolf said:

Tariffs, the cure for everything!

You've got to start somewhere….

it's illegal to use tariffs in this manner


Really? Please quote the statute that says that…

The President doesn't have the authority to administer tariffs, that is the responsibility of Congress. What national security issue does Brazil pose that Trump has applied a 50% tariff? Because helping out someone who he admires because he tried to start a coup against the existing government ain't a good reason

Let's stop pretending you believe in law and order. You don't. You want a centrally controlled industrial policy and a direct government system where laws are dictated by fiat. It's such an illiberal concept it's truly amazing how much people bend themselves on pretzels defending this idiocy.

Anything that Howard Lutnick thinks is great policy is most definitely not.

Since you didn't take the time to quote the Statute, I'll take your words as they are...

Hokie, for me, all of this is inbounds for the President. The powers of the President are being pushed to see where the limits really are. Right now, many people continue to say that the limits are what they think they are; however Article 2 powers continue to be the issue.

Regarding your accusation, whether true or not, about centrally planned... well, those are just words without meaning. Remember Ross Perot say "you're going to hear a big sucking sound" and that would be the jobs in our country. I think he was correct. Now, you believe that the net of all this was good. I don't. Is that very law passed, that provided for the "big sucking sound"... Was that central planning? Central planning passed a law that created this debate, right?

Regarding Howard Lutnick... no offense; however, I believe Howard is as smart as you want to come off as being. You just don't like this movement. That's ok, vote in the next election. you know... Representative Republic. Elections have consequences.

Howard Lutnick - Lolololololololol Cary. Here is Howie, basically selling MAGA on socialism.



Ok, so, the reporter should have asked more questions, that's for sure.

Based on what I am inferring, the Japan Government is giving 500B for the US (my assumption is a private company) to build any type of business we need. In return, the Japan government will take a 10% equity position in those companies.

That said, that is my inference; however, more question absolutely need to be asked!

That's not the way the Japenses have described the way the deal works:

"In return for reduced tariffs, Japan has proposed investing $550bn in the US to enable Japanese firms "to build resilient supply chains in key sectors like pharmaceuticals and semiconductors," Ishiba said."

What Lutnick is saying is that the US Government will own these factories.

What authority is there for Trump to decide what factories to build in the US that would be owned by the Federal Government? That's socialism.

If this trade deal goes through, great, because I can buy a new Toyota or Honda 12% cheaper than a US automaker, so win for me. But the devil is in the details, and it seems like Lutnick and the Priminister of Japan are far apart in what this deal actually is supposed to be. And Lutnick should now better, since he's negotiating it. He's either straight up lying (most plausible), or he doesn't know what he's negotiating (unlikely)


So this deal is a bad thing?

Devil is in the details. We don't know them and won't for a while because there really isn't an actual signed agreement yet. But the way Lutnick explained the deal, yes that makes it a bad deal in my opinion. The US shouldn't be in the business of owning factories.
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