Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

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Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

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We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

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I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

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Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

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We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

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I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

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And I'd argue that such precedent has as much validity as that of the Dred Scott decision, and should be set aside.

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I'm sure OldSoldier is on this. :-)

Gold, silver reverse losses and soar to session highs as rest of the world implodes. Transition from fiat to non-fiat accelerating. pic.twitter.com/ugpfNtG5l8

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) April 7, 2025

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But the dip where gold is concerned, not so sure about silver.

BREAKING 🚨 Kevin O’Leary said the 104% Tariffs with China is NOT enough. He wants it to be 400%

“It's time to squeeze Chinese heads into the wall”

I AGREE, HOLD THE LINE NOW 🔥 pic.twitter.com/XJ0qXuWhhV

— MAGA Voice (@MAGAVoice) April 9, 2025

Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

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Hey, I've read the constitution and studied the damn thing probably more than anyone here. Hell, I keep one in my car (crazy huh?).

Now, I still think there is enough ambiguity and/or interpretation that doesn't make this conclusive. Yes, I think those people could call for a habeas petition and get a hearing; however, I'm not 100% convinced that what was done is illegal, yet!

Now, I was reading this article from my favorite site, on this subject in the constitution…. This does support the illegality of the actions, by the Trump admin.

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/07/25/the-full-scope-of-the-fifth-amendments-due-process-clause/

Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

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Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

---

We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

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I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

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And I'd argue that such precedent has as much validity as that of the Dred Scott decision, and should be set aside.

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Or Roe v Wade

IseWolf22 said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

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I'm sorry you hate the word illegal

Gulfstream4 said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

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I'm sorry you hate the word illegal

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Go read the article I posted above, or you get it here.

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/07/25/the-full-scope-of-the-fifth-amendments-due-process-clause/

We definitely are in an area that presents some clarity issues. Additional reading that supports Trump is here:

https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/alien-enemies-act-1798

BTW, the Trump admin is using the reasoning, in the above article to support their actions. Now, for anybody that's stating definitive opinions are really espousing their thoughts, nothing more.

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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The stock market is a proxy for expected future economic productivity. It's the best early signal for how proposed policies will affect the economy long term. It's not a perfect measure but it reflects the sentiment of investors and business.

Denying the stock market matters has long been a talking point on the left. Trump was literally campaigning on how the stock market would be so much better under him right up until election day. He embraced it as a perfect measure right until the narrative changed.

Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

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Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

---

Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

---

We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

---

I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

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And I'd argue that such precedent has as much validity as that of the Dred Scott decision, and should be set aside.

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So basically you want to set aside all precedent, new and old alike, which goes against the very foundations of our legal/judicial system, for what reason exactly?

ETA: And the irony is rich that you want to set aside well-supported precedents due to their antiquity to clear the way for the administration to use a very questionably applicable Act from 1798.

Gulfstream4 said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

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You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

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I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

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I'm sorry you hate the word illegal

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Yes I prefer to not waste tax payer money to deport non-violent immigrants to a foreign prison where they can be brutalized.

Idk, maybe I'm built different

IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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The stock market is a proxy for expected future economic productivity. It's the best early signal for how proposed policies will affect the economy long term. It's not a perfect measure but it reflects the sentiment of investors and business.

Denying the stock market matters has long been a talking point on the left. Trump was literally campaigning on how the stock market would be so much better under him right up until election day. He embraced it as a perfect measure right until the narrative changed.

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I'm minimally in the stock market. I haven't cared about the market in 25 years. None of it makes any sense, to me. Too much fluctuation and the idea of shorting the market keeps me out.

Now, your post was an attempt at educating me; rather, you didn't comment on the data in Reich's post. I'm starting to see data, other than Reich's that supports his sentiment. In fact, if you listen to Trump, outside of the normal media talking points, his whole premise is based on this wealth gap.

The question is: how did we get here?

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

---

You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

---

You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

---

Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

---

Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

---

We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

---

I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

---

And I'd argue that such precedent has as much validity as that of the Dred Scott decision, and should be set aside.

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So basically you want to set aside all precedent, new and old alike, which goes against the very foundations of our legal/judicial system, for what reason exactly?

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Yes! I had this debate with a NC Supreme Court Justice. Nothing says that a court has ruled correctly. They typically rule based on their world view of the law and constitution. Every ruling should be open to new interpretations. Example: Roe V Wade.

If you disagree, just go read the dissents on any ruling.

IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

---

You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

---

I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

---

I'm sorry you hate the word illegal

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Yes I prefer to not waste tax payer money to deport non-violent immigrants to a foreign prison where they can be brutalized.

Idk, maybe I'm built different

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Can't you say the same thing about illegals coming here and using the tax payers money for education, health care and so many other services of all levels of government?

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

---

You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

---

You want to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth?!

---

Yes. Yes I do. They are ILLEGALS. Why is that so hard to understand?

---

Why are you asking me?

You're the one having a terrible time understanding the Constitution.

The legal precedents for the Fifth and Fourteenth applying to all persons, not just all citizens, are well-established and clear.

And obviously due process is vital to avoid the exact circumstance we're in now, which is where the wrong people get put on planes.

---

We've reached a point in time when the folly of the Warren and Burger courts is recognized for the insanity of their rulings and it's time to go back to Constitutional original intent for the good of the Republic.

---

I don't know if your comment relates to due process and equal protection being applicable to all people in the US jurisdiction but if so, that precedent predates Warren and Burger courts by nearly a century.

---

And I'd argue that such precedent has as much validity as that of the Dred Scott decision, and should be set aside.

---

So basically you want to set aside all precedent, new and old alike, which goes against the very foundations of our legal/judicial system, for what reason exactly?

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Yes! I had this debate with a NC Supreme Court Justice. Nothing says that a court has ruled correctly. They typically rule based on their world view of the law and constitution. Every ruling should be open to new interpretations. Example: Roe V Wade.

If you disagree, just go read the dissents on any ruling.

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Roe v. Wade was long held up as a legally tenuous ruling and fell quickly by American judicial standards as a result (that, in concert with an unprecedently conservative court).

The applicablity of the Fifth and Fourteenth and due process and equal protection towards all people has enjoyed no such questioning or scrutiny and has been affirmed many times over the last 150 years.

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IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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You want them to stay. Your neighborhood could be a good start since you won't agree to go to the Ukrainian front lines

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No, I believe in due process. If they get their day in court and deemed a terrorist threat, then you can deport them. So, I would like for us to follow the law.

---

You want 20 million ILLEGALS to get "a day in court" ?!

---

I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

---

I'm sorry you hate the word illegal

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Yes I prefer to not waste tax payer money to deport non-violent immigrants to a foreign prison where they can be brutalized.

Idk, maybe I'm built different

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Can't you say the same thing about illegals coming here and using the tax payers money for education, health care and so many other services of all levels of government?

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We are sending people who have no criminal record in the US and roping them in with real gang members and sending them to the worst prison in the Americas. Who gives a rip about what illegals do.

caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

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Cary how dare you buy more than you need. The Trump administration wants you to do with less. They want to dictate what you do as a consumer.

Remember when that top down from the federal government nanny state stuff was rightly frowned upon in these very forums during the last administration? They shouldn't dictate washing machine performance, eliminate natural gas stoves and water heaters, shower flows, dictating from the top how people should spend their money. Now that the Trump administration is doing the same thing and we're all fired up about it.

Crazy.

caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

---

So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

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Smapty, I agree and stated so in a previous post... What is the ultimate goal? I don't think it's clear at all.

Pharma, in my opinion, should be brought back to the Western Hemisphere for manufacturing. That said, I don;t really have clarity on US manufacturing. Now, regarding my 10 TV's, well... I'm in a different tax class than most, so, I can.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

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Cary how dare you buy more than you need. The Trump administration wants you to do with less. They want to dictate what you do as a consumer.

Remember when that top down from the federal government nanny state stuff was rightly frowned upon in these very forums during the last administration? They shouldn't dictate washing machine performance, eliminate natural gas stoves and water heaters, shower flows, dictating from the top how people should spend their money. Now that the Trump administration is doing the same thing and we're all fired up about it.

Crazy.

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Being that nobody claims to know what the Trump Admin is doing, how can you say that (bolded)?

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

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Cary how dare you buy more than you need. The Trump administration wants you to do with less. They want to dictate what you do as a consumer.

Remember when that top down from the federal government nanny state stuff was rightly frowned upon in these very forums during the last administration? They shouldn't dictate washing machine performance, eliminate natural gas stoves and water heaters, shower flows, dictating from the top how people should spend their money. Now that the Trump administration is doing the same thing and we're all fired up about it.

Crazy.

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That's a long flight Pinocchio… never fail to deliver you lying low life.

caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

---

So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

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Smapty, I agree and stated so in a previous post... What is the ultimate goal? I don't think it's clear at all.

Pharma, in my opinion, should be brought back to the Western Hemisphere for manufacturing. That said, I don;t really have clarity on US manufacturing. Now, regarding my 10 TV's, well... I'm in a different tax class than most, so, I can.

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You agree that all of the stated goals so far would make things worse for the middle class? So you think there's a secret fourth goal that will vindicate what MAGA is doing?

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caryking said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

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Cary how dare you buy more than you need. The Trump administration wants you to do with less. They want to dictate what you do as a consumer.

Remember when that top down from the federal government nanny state stuff was rightly frowned upon in these very forums during the last administration? They shouldn't dictate washing machine performance, eliminate natural gas stoves and water heaters, shower flows, dictating from the top how people should spend their money. Now that the Trump administration is doing the same thing and we're all fired up about it.

Crazy.

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Being that nobody claims to know what the Trump Admin is doing, how can you say that (bolded)?

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Administration has said it multiple times, Lutnick, Miller, Bessemer, as well as some others.

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

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Smapty, I agree and stated so in a previous post... What is the ultimate goal? I don't think it's clear at all.

Pharma, in my opinion, should be brought back to the Western Hemisphere for manufacturing. That said, I don;t really have clarity on US manufacturing. Now, regarding my 10 TV's, well... I'm in a different tax class than most, so, I can.

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You agree that all of the stated goals so far would make things worse for the middle class? So you think there's a secret fourth goal that will vindicate what MAGA is doing?

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What are the stated goals? Let's define what we think are the stated goals and I will give my thoughts..

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Trump continues to be the best evidence of horseshoe theory

GOP in 2010: Stop the socialists!

GOP in 2025: The conveniences of modern life are overrated. We will reorder the economy and redistribute wealth. Your losses are a small sacrifice for the glory of the nation!

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) April 7, 2025

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Hokie, between my two houses, I own 10 flat screen TV's, in use. Yes, that's excessive if I truly look at it from a different perspective, other than I want something.

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Cary how dare you buy more than you need. The Trump administration wants you to do with less. They want to dictate what you do as a consumer.

Remember when that top down from the federal government nanny state stuff was rightly frowned upon in these very forums during the last administration? They shouldn't dictate washing machine performance, eliminate natural gas stoves and water heaters, shower flows, dictating from the top how people should spend their money. Now that the Trump administration is doing the same thing and we're all fired up about it.

Crazy.

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Being that nobody claims to know what the Trump Admin is doing, how can you say that (bolded)?

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Administration has said it multiple times, Lutnick, Miller, Bessemer, as well as some others.

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and... Like I said, that's not going to affect me. The middle class, well... priorities in live, right?

You dumb**** brain dead Qanon/MAGA idiots always have a boogeyman. Thing is whatever cataclysmic, earth shattering bullshattery you predict is right around the corner never actually happens. Meanwhile the rest of us normal people, trying to raise a family, save for retirement, pay for our children's education, etc suffer from your stupidity

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caryking said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

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Smapty, I agree and stated so in a previous post... What is the ultimate goal? I don't think it's clear at all.

Pharma, in my opinion, should be brought back to the Western Hemisphere for manufacturing. That said, I don;t really have clarity on US manufacturing. Now, regarding my 10 TV's, well... I'm in a different tax class than most, so, I can.

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You agree that all of the stated goals so far would make things worse for the middle class? So you think there's a secret fourth goal that will vindicate what MAGA is doing?

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What are the stated goals? Let's define what we think are the stated goals and I will give my thoughts..

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I literally just gave you a bullet point list of their stated goals. Scroll up?

Peter Navarro says he doesn’t care if Vietnam reduces tariffs to zero, the problem is we buy from them.

This isn’t an economic disagreement. This is a crank ideology that has taken over the government. pic.twitter.com/0WIFMjnzpv

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) April 8, 2025

This is the really scary thing.

There is zero evidence the administration's tariffs are grounded in any sort of halfway cogent, rational macroeconomic strategy.

They're literally dragging the world economy into the ****ter for completely made-up, nonsensical reasons either because they actually believe that stupidity or because they want to pass the Trump purity test and throw their support behind whatever crazed idea he comes up with next.

And his ideas ain't exactly 4D chess. I think this fits here.

pic.twitter.com/rKqtFZlf43

— Aes🇺🇸 (@AesPolitics1) April 8, 2025

just fired my maid who’s been cleaning my house for 20 years

because i realized that for all i paid her, she never bought anything from me

no more getting ripped off!

— DCinvestor (@iamDCinvestor) April 9, 2025

Perfect illustration of the stupidity of the trade-deficit-driven tariff calculus...errrr...nonsense.

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Werewolf said:

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Even said by the economist of the left. Good find…

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Reich is a hack and not an Economist.

But it's really funny to see y'all parroting leftist drivel and pretending to be conservatives

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Isle, I know who Reich is (I called him a leftest above); however, his numbers are close, in not actual, fact. That is the problem we have in this country. To much easy and new money has gone to the wealthy that's killed the middle class.

So, yes, I agree that Reich is a hack; however, let's discuss the data…

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So what are the stated goals so far by the Trump admin for these tariffs?

• Bring iPhone or whatever manufacturing to America, TO BE BUILT BY ROBOTS (or probably illegals). No new jobs, but anything you buy will now be more expensive, though, thanks to more expensive inputs.
• Lower the trade deficit, a scary sounding "deficit" word. Of course lowering the trade deficit weakens the dollar, and is like asking a bank to stop charging you low interest rates so that you won't have as much money to spend on stuff. The reason you have 10 TVs and some schmuck in another country doesn't.
• Provide revenue for tax cuts that PRIMARILY BENEFIT THE WEALTHY, with tariffs that PRIMARILY HARM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

So which one of these goals improves the situation you've identified for the middle class? Could it be that the problem is that you keep falling for the same scam over and over and over and over and over?

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Smapty, I agree and stated so in a previous post... What is the ultimate goal? I don't think it's clear at all.

Pharma, in my opinion, should be brought back to the Western Hemisphere for manufacturing. That said, I don;t really have clarity on US manufacturing. Now, regarding my 10 TV's, well... I'm in a different tax class than most, so, I can.

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You agree that all of the stated goals so far would make things worse for the middle class? So you think there's a secret fourth goal that will vindicate what MAGA is doing?

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What are the stated goals? Let's define what we think are the stated goals and I will give my thoughts..

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I literally just gave you a bullet point list of their stated goals. Scroll up?

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No you didn't... You provided your commentary, from your world view, of the goals. That doesn't make them the goal... Learn how to separate your feelings/views from the reality...

Hey cool! Trump just "paused" his unhinged tariffs for 90 days for "reasons?" and dropped everyone down to 10% which seems totally low now. Except for China, who now has a 4 million percent tariff, because they weren't "respectful".

Lol, hoo boy!

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just fired my maid who’s been cleaning my house for 20 years

because i realized that for all i paid her, she never bought anything from me

no more getting ripped off!

— DCinvestor (@iamDCinvestor) April 9, 2025

Perfect illustration of the stupidity of the trade-deficit-driven tariff calculus...errrr...nonsense.

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perfect illustration off a world view that is counter to what's being said.