The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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No surprise they have hokie's support

USAID was a viper’s nest of radical-left marxists who hate America https://t.co/0xKxmN5Pss

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 2, 2025

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I don't have an issue with auditing USAID, and I think it's a good idea to fold it into the State Department. However, I don't think the program should be stopped, because of the concern about Russia and China, which is what Elon Musk is promoting. That, is where I think the bad idea is at.

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MAGA: "Durp! All foreign aid is totally a Marxist conspiracy and must be killed!"

Also MAGA: "Durp! What's up with this massive migrant caravan heading our way from South America? Why won't they stay in their own countries?!"

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Because of the corruption in the South American governments is rampant therefore very little aid actually gets to the people in those countries. You really need to get out more and experience more.

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Lol, that's funny. I actually spent 6 months in Venezuela. I've driven through the West Bank. The day you actually express an "experienced" thought that didn't come out of Tucker Carlson's butt I'll definitely take notes.

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

I like this one...

All the Democrats crying about avocado and tomatoes look really stupid right about now pic.twitter.com/lcG2lUARSW

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 3, 2025

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caryking said:

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The following is what I'm rooting for:

Trade balances
Drug smuggling to stop
34T debt - figure out a way to slow, then stop adding to it
1.7T yearly deficit - balance it and ultimately get a surplus
Sound dollar

The following is what I don't care about:

Stock Market (its over-valued)
Investment bankers (they've gotten filthy rich from 0% interest rates - easy money)

So, Lets just see how this really affects people as it matures...

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There don't seem to be many economists or people in industry that think tariffs are the way to achieve any of these things but I like your list as aspirational goals. We should all agree that these would be beneficial outcomes for the US.

What about inflation?

The price of eggs and gas was all we heard about in here for months leading up to the election.

What about the housing crisis?

Housing unaffordablity was a huge problem before actions that will undoubtedly make houses even more expensive to build and more expensive to finance.

What about humanitarian objectives for impoverished nations? What's our responsibility and ability to bring the weight of the biggest economy in the world to bear on issues like famine, disease control, and economic opportunity for developing nations? Beyond ethical considerations, what are the national security benefits of doing so?

What about our obligations to our allies and trade partners, including those obligations made by Trump during his first term? Should we not honor those and pursue win-win outcomes?

What about the constitutionality of fake government officials with insufficient security credentials vastly overstepping their authority to monitor and influence Treasury policy intrude on and shape federal offices?

This devil-may-care attitude the administration is taking with multiple issues of key domestic and global importance is completely unnecessary and counterproductive, at best.

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Civ, all your points will be addressed at some point; however, I'm confident, the actions that are being taken will start to have an effect on a ton of stuff. For now, stay focused on the things happening and quit the Whatabout stuff...

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caryking said:

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The following is what I'm rooting for:

Trade balances
Drug smuggling to stop
34T debt - figure out a way to slow, then stop adding to it
1.7T yearly deficit - balance it and ultimately get a surplus
Sound dollar

The following is what I don't care about:

Stock Market (its over-valued)
Investment bankers (they've gotten filthy rich from 0% interest rates - easy money)

So, Lets just see how this really affects people as it matures...

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There don't seem to be many economists or people in industry that think tariffs are the way to achieve any of these things but I like your list as aspirational goals. We should all agree that these would be beneficial outcomes for the US.

What about inflation?

The price of eggs and gas was all we heard about in here for months leading up to the election.

What about the housing crisis?

Housing unaffordablity was a huge problem before actions that will undoubtedly make houses even more expensive to build and more expensive to finance.

What about humanitarian objectives for impoverished nations? What's our responsibility and ability to bring the weight of the biggest economy in the world to bear on issues like famine, disease control, and economic opportunity for developing nations? Beyond ethical considerations, what are the national security benefits of doing so?

What about our obligations to our allies and trade partners, including those obligations made by Trump during his first term? Should we not honor those and pursue win-win outcomes?

What about the constitutionality of fake government officials with insufficient security credentials vastly overstepping their authority to monitor and influence Treasury policy intrude on and shape federal offices?

This devil-may-care attitude the administration is taking with multiple issues of key domestic and global importance is completely unnecessary and counterproductive, at best.

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No wonder housing is so expensive with guys like #daSieve typing out manifestos of "what if's" on the Water Cooler. Don't you have any real work to do today, Sieve? :-)

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

"DOGE HAS JUST GAINED ACCESS TO THE US TREASURY SYSTEM

THE PREVIOUS TREASURY SECRETARY JANET YELLEN WAS BRIBED BY WALL STREET, MAKING OVER $7 MILLION IN "SPEAKING FEES"

SHE ALSO OPENLY WORKED TO USE US TAXPAYER FUNDS TO BUILD CHINA'S ECONOMY

DOGE IS GOING TO FIND SOME INSANE CORRUPTION."

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

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This is people like Smapty…

Look over here, look over there, look, look, look…. He/she cares more about *****ing than anything else. Do yourself a favor and quit falling for he/she's antics…

Gulfstream4 said:

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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-deploy-10000-troops-us-border-exchange-tariff-pause.amp
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President Trump is flat out getting it done.

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How does this help with the Trade deficit that Trump also said was the issue?

hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-deploy-10000-troops-us-border-exchange-tariff-pause.amp
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President Trump is flat out getting it done.

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How does this help with the Trade deficit that Trump also said was the issue?

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Well it's better than what we've had the last four years and we have to start somewhere. Unless you are okay with the drugs coming over the border?

https://t.co/DB2rvH3vzr pic.twitter.com/PK1V8YklhY

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2025

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SmaptyWolf said:

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wolf5 said:

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

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And then putting on tariff on American goods helps this how?

Wow https://t.co/3rbuMny8pG

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 3, 2025

Because USAID is/was a radical-left political psy op https://t.co/Th10uk7dQe

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 3, 2025

3 weeks, not bad!

2 weeks in:

Mexico caved
Panama caved
Colombia caved
Venezuela caved
Canada panicking
Mass deportations
Hostages are home
DEI programs ended
Bureaucracy slashed
FBI purges are underway
USAID funding cancelled
Gender ideology eliminated
DOGE already saved billions
51 intel…

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) February 3, 2025

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Yeah, I don't believe any of that **** . Otherwise, all that stupidity of Biden / Obama trying to ruin our country in every imagined way possible wouldn't have occurred. You've watched too many Hunger Games movies...

My fault for engaging with you to begin with.

Carry on.

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So you believe Pete Hegseth just threw a fake term out there......Continuity of Govt?

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I actually watched Hegseth's conference live this morning - all of it - and I know exactly what he said, but I listened to the entire thing and not just 3 specific words... maybe that's the difference between you and I, I don't know.

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For the record, my belief: COG started Dec 2016 from this 1st event. The other possible COG date would have occurred when Trump locked down Cheyenne Mtn and a number of other high security NORAD facilities in March 2020 when the COVID pandemic was identified to be a plandemic.

Christopher Steele, a British spya foreign spywhom Hillary Clinton bribed with $10 million. Then, the FBI subsequently offered an additional $1 million to validate his criminal conspiracy.

Additionally, as part of a racketeering operation, Obama's Chief of Staff, John Brennan, under the direct orders of Barack Obama, implemented Project Fulsome. "Reverse target and bump'. The Five Eyes Intelligence AllianceUnited States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdomwas used to spy on the Trump Organization and Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. leading up to the 2016 presidential election, thus attempting to topple the U.S. government.

Meaning, this is collusion. This is a conspiracy. A conspiracy, involving a foreign spy, Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.

Now, extradite the foreign ******* at once. Extradite the foreign spy to the United States for the crime of seditious conspiracy to overthrow the United States government.

JUST IN: USAID to be merged into the State Department with major workforce cuts, per AP

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) February 3, 2025

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-deploy-10000-troops-us-border-exchange-tariff-pause.amp
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President Trump is flat out getting it done.

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How does this help with the Trade deficit that Trump also said was the issue?

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Well it's better than what we've had the last four years and we have to start somewhere. Unless you are okay with the drugs coming over the border?

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no. It's just not going to work, because the cartels will adjust and just sell other products (they already have) and 40+ years of the drug war and enforcement hasn't done squat. I expect the same results.

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-deploy-10000-troops-us-border-exchange-tariff-pause.amp
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President Trump is flat out getting it done.

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How does this help with the Trade deficit that Trump also said was the issue?

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Well it's better than what we've had the last four years and we have to start somewhere. Unless you are okay with the drugs coming over the border?

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no. It's just not going to work, because the cartels will adjust and just sell other products (they already have) and 40+ years of the drug war and enforcement hasn't done squat. I expect the same results.

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Yep.

Clearly these guys haven't seen Traffic or Sicario 2.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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wolf5 said:

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

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And then putting on tariff on American goods helps this how?

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It forces Canada to do SOMETHING to stop it.

Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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wolf5 said:

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

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It's clear you've got a firehose of Kool-Aid blasting down your throat at the moment, but here in the real world that has absolutely nothing to so with why Trump put tariffs on Canada.

The only legal way for Trump to get around congress and issue tariffs unilaterally is for "national security" reasons. So he had to pretend that tariffs are about drugs and immigration (which is currently as low as it was last time he was in office), never mind that Mexico and Canada were already doing about all they possibly can on those two fronts.

One assumes his real goal for tariffs was the nonsense he spewed nonstop about getting rid of taxes and replacing them with with tariffs. Or maybe just fleecing the American people so he can fund another tax cut for Elon? Who knows?

hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-deploy-10000-troops-us-border-exchange-tariff-pause.amp
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President Trump is flat out getting it done.

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How does this help with the Trade deficit that Trump also said was the issue?

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Well it's better than what we've had the last four years and we have to start somewhere. Unless you are okay with the drugs coming over the border?

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no. It's just not going to work, because the cartels will adjust and just sell other products (they already have) and 40+ years of the drug war and enforcement hasn't done squat. I expect the same results.

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Oh well. Let's just give up and try again. hokie says it's not going to and that good enough for me.

Werewolf said:

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3 weeks, not bad!

2 weeks in:

Mexico caved
Panama caved
Colombia caved
Venezuela caved
Canada panicking
Mass deportations
Hostages are home
DEI programs ended
Bureaucracy slashed
FBI purges are underway
USAID funding cancelled
Gender ideology eliminated
DOGE already saved billions
51 intel…

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) February 3, 2025

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Ummm. 2 weeks - and only one half of a day into Week 3.

Civ - why haven't the grocery prices started falling yet!?!?! (only 14 1/2 days in, but yet Civs posts were the most predictable event since the inauguration)

All these remaining Dem administration puppets in the Treasury Department are next... get rid of all the subversives first that will only try to undermine your policies.

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wolf5 said:

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The right continues to have put out fires. Unbelievable job by Trump this morning to tank the market. Guess what Canada hasn't budged and who knows what happens in a month from now but the right is running around acting like this is a victory. It's nothing more than damage control.

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Exactly. There's been approximately 1 whole pound of fentanyl that's ever crossed the Canadian border, and very few migrants. I wonder what pretend "concessions" the Trump Show will come up with to back out of the stupid Canadian tariffs?

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I'm sure you didn't know this but something like 86% of people on the terror watch list come into the U. S. from Canada. Are you okay with that?

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It's clear you've got a firehose of Kool-Aid blasting down your throat at the moment, but here in the real world that has absolutely nothing to so with why Trump put tariffs on Canada.

The only legal way for Trump to get around congress and issue tariffs unilaterally is for "national security" reasons. So he had to pretend that tariffs are about drugs and immigration (which is currently as low as it was last time he was in office), never mind that Mexico and Canada were already doing about all they possibly can on those two fronts.

One assumes his real goal for tariffs was the nonsense he spewed nonstop about getting rid of taxes ands replacing with with tariffs. Or maybe just fleeing the American people so he can fund another tax cut for Elon? Who knows?

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[sigh] It's not worth it. Have nice day thinking about ElOn!1

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/america-first-largest-steel-producer-us-announces-support-trump-tariffs

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Wow https://t.co/3rbuMny8pG

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 3, 2025

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Mike Benz is an absolute conspiracy nutcase who has made USAID his hobbyhorse for ages. Of course Elon "wow"s him constantly.

What a bunch of anti-American nonsense. Yes, just like every other big country on earth, the U.S. tries to influence countries and outcomes in our national interest all the time. There's nothing "OMG MARXIST" about it. The CIA is often involved, and they probably direct USAID from time to time for those objectives.

Why on Earth wouldn't you want that? Unless of course you're an adversary that doesn't want American influence in the world.

Imagine being so wrecked with mental illness you want to leave the cartels alone so they can continue their drug and human trafficking because you hate Trump.

Some of you guys are just bat**** crazy. Sad to see.

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Imagine being so wrecked with mental illness you want to leave the cartels alone so they can continue their drug and human trafficking because you hate Trump.

Some of you guys are just bat**** crazy. Sad to see.

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Imagine thinking tariffs are going to fix that issue. You must be stupid.

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being so wrecked with mental illness you want to leave the cartels alone so they can continue their drug and human trafficking because you hate Trump.

Some of you guys are just bat**** crazy. Sad to see.

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Imagine thinking tariffs are going to fix that issue. You must be stupid.

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You don't think Mexico agreeing to putting 10,000 soldiers on the border is a good thing? You must be stupid.

Gulfstream4 said:

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wolf5 said:

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being so wrecked with mental illness you want to leave the cartels alone so they can continue their drug and human trafficking because you hate Trump.

Some of you guys are just bat**** crazy. Sad to see.

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Imagine thinking tariffs are going to fix that issue. You must be stupid.

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You don't think Mexico agreeing to putting 10,000 soldiers on the border is a good thing? You must be stupid.

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He can't give Trump credit for anything. Poor fella.