Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

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Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

packgrad said:

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Normalizing the mental disorder that is transgenderism is a Democrat priority.

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Predictable and unsurprising that trans-bashing was where this was headed.

And drag queens aren't the same as trans people. Most aren't trans.

These loons down in Texas making a terrible parenting decision and taking their kids to a sexualized drag performance has as much to do with transgender rights as parents in the early 70's taking their kids to a strip club would have had to do with the women's lib movement.

They're not at all related. It's a bad parenting decision by a handful of loons, not a representation of broader coalition support for such questionable parenting decisions.

hokiewolf said:

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I continue to get confirmation everyday that what you see on Twitter and what is shown as news because of Twitter represents an extremely small amount of the population that is extended too much of the news and opinion on cable news shows.

The fact that you guys continue to harangue everyone around here with the opinion that what is reported as news opinion is also anyone else's opinion who doesn't fall in line with the 4-5 dominant posters here makes every disagreement in policy arduous because the rebuttal is always "well what about this extreme position, that's your position too!" You're a MARXIST! etc

If you guys would stop rebutting with the dumb extremes, this place would be a whole lot more pleasant

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What's the fun in that Hokie?

Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

Oldsouljer said:

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Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

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the college student loan program is popular with liberal white woman and rich people. That makes it unpopular with the other 85-90% of the country. But if all you did was read Twitter and watch political opinion shows, you would think otherwise.

hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

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the college student loan program is popular with liberal white woman and rich people. That makes it unpopular with the other 85-90% of the country. But if all you did was read Twitter and watch political opinion shows, you would think otherwise.

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That's the problem currently, the media focuses on the issues of the few because it creates the biggest reactions and moves the needle.

Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

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Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

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Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

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Articles aren't stating the opposite of my post historically, because that's fairly inarguable. There's no doubt Republicans have long been more ideologically consistent than Dems.

They may be talking about recent MAGA vs. RINO schisms, but even those sorts of schisms aren't new, and they don't dictate the actual political issues at play.

Poll the Pub tent and the Dem tent on the issues - economy, unions, abortion, religion, social safety net programs, criminal justice, LGBTQ rights, etc. For decades (and still) there is much more coherence within the self-identified Republican ranks than amongst the philosophically looser Dem coalition.

hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

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the college student loan program is popular with liberal white woman and rich people. That makes it unpopular with the other 85-90% of the country. But if all you did was read Twitter and watch political opinion shows, you would think otherwise.

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Interesting. There's a young white woman in my neighborhood who is struggling under the weight of her college debt, or at least that's the excuse she used to argue against raising HOA dues. I suppose she's not liberal. As for Twitter, I don't know anything about that, do you have to open an account to read Twitter?

Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

Articles aren't stating the opposite of my post historically, because that's fairly inarguable. There's no doubt Republicans have long been more ideologically consistent than Dems.

They may be talking about recent MAGA vs. RINO schisms, but even those sorts of schisms aren't new, and they don't dictate the actual political issues at play.

Poll the Pub tent and the Dem tent on the issues - economy, unions, abortion, religion, social safety net programs, criminal justice, LGBTQ rights, etc. For decades (and still) there is much more coherence within the self-identified Republican ranks than amongst the philosophically looser Dem coalition.

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Of course they don't if you don't look at them.

See no evil... hear no evil!

Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

---

For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

Articles aren't stating the opposite of my post historically, because that's fairly inarguable. There's no doubt Republicans have long been more ideologically consistent than Dems.

They may be talking about recent MAGA vs. RINO schisms, but even those sorts of schisms aren't new, and they don't dictate the actual political issues at play.

Poll the Pub tent and the Dem tent on the issues - economy, unions, abortion, religion, social safety net programs, criminal justice, LGBTQ rights, etc. For decades (and still) there is much more coherence within the self-identified Republican ranks than amongst the philosophically looser Dem coalition.

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Of course they don't if you don't look at them.

See no evil... hear no evil!

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Post them, let's look at them.

Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

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the college student loan program is popular with liberal white woman and rich people. That makes it unpopular with the other 85-90% of the country. But if all you did was read Twitter and watch political opinion shows, you would think otherwise.

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That's the problem currently, the media focuses on the issues of the few because it creates the biggest reactions and moves the needle.

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no, the media focus on the few because most of the media is on Twitter and they think that's a representation of America and it aint

Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

---

For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

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Thank you for pointing this out and I think that this statement is a large part of the issue in this country.

The founders of this country created a representative republic for this very reason. A true democracy ends up being two wolfs and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. The sheep is going to get eaten every time. Are representative republic is designed to protect the rights of the minority and not let a slim majority run wild. If things in the constitution or bill of rights need to be changed, there is a very specific way that takes a huge majority of the country to be in agreement on before passing anything to change the original law of the land.

The problem is that politicians and certain groups are trying to move away from this, and unfortunately are having success doing it. The electoral college was designed to not allow one or two extremely populous drive the entire country, which is what would happen if we got rid of it. You may say that the filibuster wasn't included in the constitution, and you would be correct, but neither was direct election of senators.

We have also abandoned the original intent of the executive action. It was originally designed to allow a president to help clean up a law if there was an unforeseen issue, not to do whatever a president wants to do on immigration, taxes, or emissions. Unfortunately we have presidents ruling be executive fiat, and then the next guy just changing it again.

Next we have unelected bureaucracies such as the department of energy making all kinds of laws and regulations that have not been voted on by the people we actually elected to represent us. That is not how it should work. Our representatives should actually have to vote on the regulations that are being passed, not have some group people that no one knows sitting in some back room making regulations that all of us have to follow.

Finally we are experiencing judicial supremacy like we have never seen before in this country, from the local courts all the way to the supreme court. Courts are supposed to follow the written law of the land, not ruling on their political beliefs, or how they think things should be. It happened right here with our elections. Our state constitution says that the legislature gets to draw the maps, but the left leaning state supreme court said that the legislature drew the districts based on politics, and that doing that was illegal. The issue is that its not illegal, and it doesn't say that in the state constitution. The board of elections also changed how long ballots could be received. No one elected those people and that goes directly against what our state constitution says in terms of how election laws are decided.

I say all of this to say that the the reason we are where we are is because we as a country are trying to move away from the way of governance that worked for 200 years where people were forced to work together and compromise and more towards how Russia works, where they have courts and legislatures, but only one person who is "elected" drives everything.

I don't know how we get back from this...but this is where we are right now

Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

---

For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

Articles aren't stating the opposite of my post historically, because that's fairly inarguable. There's no doubt Republicans have long been more ideologically consistent than Dems.

They may be talking about recent MAGA vs. RINO schisms, but even those sorts of schisms aren't new, and they don't dictate the actual political issues at play.

Poll the Pub tent and the Dem tent on the issues - economy, unions, abortion, religion, social safety net programs, criminal justice, LGBTQ rights, etc. For decades (and still) there is much more coherence within the self-identified Republican ranks than amongst the philosophically looser Dem coalition.

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Of course they don't if you don't look at them.

See no evil... hear no evil!

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Post them, let's look at them.

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https://constitutevoice.com/2019/01/08/perdue-romney-growing-divide-republican-party/

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/05/takeaways-on-americans-growing-partisan-divide-over-political-values/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/15/politics/us-political-party-split-history/index.html

https://www.stevegruber.com/2021/01/the-roots-of-the-gop-divide/

Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

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this idea that "RINOS" want corruption is just not true. You guys think the real fight is between populists (the majority of the right leaning posters here) and elitists.

It's not. It's populist and elitist vs pluralists whose basis of thought is on the very idea that society is composed of different individuals and groups.

What's interesting to me is you guys constantly accuse others here of demagogic, emotional and opportunistic thought, but that's the very definition of what you support.

Trump, love him or hate him, really didn't change anything in his 4 years in office, but it sure made for a great slogan!

hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Dem policies WERE more popular, the college student loan program for example. Now, however, people are waking up to the fact that Dem policies simply aren't affordable. And those who took advantage of the student loan program have come to realize that they are modern day debt-peons, in many cases, still paying off those loans as they approach their retirement years. Sooner or later all that government spending was going to result in runaway inflation, and that particular wake-up call is well underway.

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the college student loan program is popular with liberal white woman and rich people. That makes it unpopular with the other 85-90% of the country. But if all you did was read Twitter and watch political opinion shows, you would think otherwise.

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That's the problem currently, the media focuses on the issues of the few because it creates the biggest reactions and moves the needle.

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no, the media focus on the few because most of the media is on Twitter and they think that's a representation of America and it aint

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Exactly! I was agreeing with you.

hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

this idea that "RINOS" want corruption is just not true. You guys think the real fight is between populists (the majority of the right leaning posters here) and elitists.

It's not. It's populist and elitist vs pluralists whose basis of thought is on the very idea that society is composed of different individuals and groups.

What's interesting to me is you guys constantly accuse others here of demagogic, emotional and opportunistic thought, but that's the very definition of what you support.

Trump, love him or hate him, really didn't change anything in his 4 years in office, but it sure made for a great slogan!

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Who said that Trump changed anything? All I've said is that he opened a lot of eyes about it. I also don't hold Trump as a demogogue. You're making a lot of inferences here.

cowboypack02 said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

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Thank you for pointing this out and I think that this statement is a large part of the issue in this country.

The founders of this country created a representative republic for this very reason. A true democracy ends up being two wolfs and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. The sheep is going to get eaten every time. Are representative republic is designed to protect the rights of the minority and not let a slim majority run wild. If things in the constitution or bill of rights need to be changed, there is a very specific way that takes a huge majority of the country to be in agreement on before passing anything to change the original law of the land.

The problem is that politicians and certain groups are trying to move away from this, and unfortunately are having success doing it. The electoral college was designed to not allow one or two extremely populous drive the entire country, which is what would happen if we got rid of it. You may say that the filibuster wasn't included in the constitution, and you would be correct, but neither was direct election of senators.

We have also abandoned the original intent of the executive action. It was originally designed to allow a president to help clean up a law if there was an unforeseen issue, not to do whatever a president wants to do on immigration, taxes, or emissions. Unfortunately we have presidents ruling be executive fiat, and then the next guy just changing it again.

Next we have unelected bureaucracies such as the department of energy making all kinds of laws and regulations that have not been voted on by the people we actually elected to represent us. That is not how it should work. Our representatives should actually have to vote on the regulations that are being passed, not have some group people that no one knows sitting in some back room making regulations that all of us have to follow.

Finally we are experiencing judicial supremacy like we have never seen before in this country, from the local courts all the way to the supreme court. Courts are supposed to follow the written law of the land, not ruling on their political beliefs, or how they think things should be. It happened right here with our elections. Our state constitution says that the legislature gets to draw the maps, but the left leaning state supreme court said that the legislature drew the districts based on politics, and that doing that was illegal. The issue is that its not illegal, and it doesn't say that in the state constitution. The board of elections also changed how long ballots could be received. No one elected those people and that goes directly against what our state constitution says in terms of how election laws are decided.

I say all of this to say that the the reason we are where we are is because we as a country are trying to move away from the way of governance that worked for 200 years where people were forced to work together and compromise and more towards how Russia works, where they have courts and legislatures, but only one person who is "elected" drives everything.

I don't know how we get back from this...but this is where we are right now

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Agree with Cowboy 100%.

Regarding the last sentence ......how we get back from this ......from where we are now ...........we must 1st identify the real enemy. The real enemy is not 'the other party', per se. The real enemy is certainly "amongst us with nearly full control of our federal govt. The real enemy is much bigger than Biden, Clinton, Obama, Romney or Bush. The enemy is bigger than its minion Soros. I've posted before that the enemy controls both sides. This enemy is at war with the American people and we face great hardship over the coming months as this enemy continues its attack from all sides.

Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

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Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

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Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

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this idea that "RINOS" want corruption is just not true. You guys think the real fight is between populists (the majority of the right leaning posters here) and elitists.

It's not. It's populist and elitist vs pluralists whose basis of thought is on the very idea that society is composed of different individuals and groups.

What's interesting to me is you guys constantly accuse others here of demagogic, emotional and opportunistic thought, but that's the very definition of what you support.

Trump, love him or hate him, really didn't change anything in his 4 years in office, but it sure made for a great slogan!

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Who said that Trump changed anything? All I've said is that he opened a lot of eyes about it. I also don't hold Trump as a demogogue. You're making a lot of inferences here.

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Ha Ha!! I quit engaging with him weeks ago. All he does is piss and moan about the use of the term MARXIST when that is exactly what the party he supports wants this country to be.

Funny how the ones that complain the most about being called out for what they are never once defend the facts, articles, videos showing exactly what is being said about them is the absolute truth. You know, don't believe your lying eyes.

As far as Hokie goes, he said he didn't like the way President Trump treated people..... that tells you all you need to know about him in a sentence or less. Policies be damned...... he hurt his precious little "feewlings..."

People who vote like that get what they deserve in the end. And they will. Higher taxes, higher costs of living, higher crime, lower educational standards and most of all, ridicule from those of us that are/were smart enough not to buy into the leftwing BS.

Here's the lefty posters' in a single photo....

BBW12OG said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

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Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

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Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

this idea that "RINOS" want corruption is just not true. You guys think the real fight is between populists (the majority of the right leaning posters here) and elitists.

It's not. It's populist and elitist vs pluralists whose basis of thought is on the very idea that society is composed of different individuals and groups.

What's interesting to me is you guys constantly accuse others here of demagogic, emotional and opportunistic thought, but that's the very definition of what you support.

Trump, love him or hate him, really didn't change anything in his 4 years in office, but it sure made for a great slogan!

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Who said that Trump changed anything? All I've said is that he opened a lot of eyes about it. I also don't hold Trump as a demogogue. You're making a lot of inferences here.

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Ha Ha!! I quit engaging with him weeks ago. All he does is piss and moan about the use of the term MARXIST when that is exactly what the party he supports wants this country to be.

Funny how the ones that complain the most about being called out for what they are never once defend the facts, articles, videos showing exactly what is being said about them is the absolute truth. You know, don't believe your lying eyes.

As far as Hokie goes, he said he didn't like the way President Trump treated people..... that tells you all you need to know about him in a sentence or less. Policies be damned...... he hurt his precious little "feewlings..."

People who vote like that get what they deserve in the end. And they will. Higher taxes, higher costs of living, higher crime, lower educational standards and most of all, ridicule from those of us that are/were smart enough not to buy into the leftwing BS.

Here's the lefty posters' in a single photo....

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$1 to Elizabeth Warren!


I also find it curious that I'm the one with hurt feelings but you're the one who has decided to ignore!

Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Civilized said:

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Steve however you slice it, Republicans have been more unified in their stances and ideology for decades and it's not even close.

There's a mountain of data on this, dating back to the late 1940's. ANES has compiled a massive data sat on this spanning most of the last century.

Democrats' policies are more popular. But Republicans are more ideologically unified.

Quote:

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For as long as political science has had data on this, Republicans have been:

• Twice as likely as Democrats to support their party's ideological policies.
• 50 percent more likely to know that the Republican Party is more conservative than the Democratic Party.
• More than twice as likely to have ideological reasons for supporting their party.
• More than four times less likely to list social reasons for identifying with their party.

---

Republicans today place outsize importance on being victimized by the mostly liberal MSM, but a consistent MSM slant doesn't equal ideological uniformity within the Democratic party.

The Republicans ideological coherence combined with their Electoral College advantage have been what's long allowed them to ram electoral victories and legislation through despite holding a mild minority position in the country electorally.

---

Completely disagree! Republicans are going through a great divide right now between the rinos that want to keep things corrupt and the way they have been, versus the group that wants to get out country back to traditional values. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. A quick Google search finds many articles starting the opposite of your post, including some in the Washington Post website.

We as Americans have gotten lazy over the last 20-30 years when it comes to politics. It's resulted in a more corrupt DC. Trump love him or hate him, opened millions of eyes to this. Now you have more people than ever with an opinion and choosing sides. Many democrats and old school Republicans are fighting for the "power" that they carry with their position in government.

The awakening has awakened the desire to give the power back to the people. That's the divide.

---

this idea that "RINOS" want corruption is just not true. You guys think the real fight is between populists (the majority of the right leaning posters here) and elitists.

It's not. It's populist and elitist vs pluralists whose basis of thought is on the very idea that society is composed of different individuals and groups.

What's interesting to me is you guys constantly accuse others here of demagogic, emotional and opportunistic thought, but that's the very definition of what you support.

Trump, love him or hate him, really didn't change anything in his 4 years in office, but it sure made for a great slogan!

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Who said that Trump changed anything? All I've said is that he opened a lot of eyes about it. I also don't hold Trump as a demogogue. You're making a lot of inferences here.

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I guess my question if the eyes were opened so much, why didn't he get re-elected in a landslide?

Gas prices through the roof, inflation out of control, and soon no one will be able to even afford rent or buy a house.

Deliberately shutting down pipelines and oil/gas production in order to cause the "great transition" away from fossil fuels, to "save the world" from the climate change global warming hoax.

But none of that is a true crisis, because the communist Democrats squeal and whine that ~450 deaths per year using rifles is the "true national crisis", so now the "number one priority" for our nation is that we need to destroy the Second Amendment.

Next there will be another "crisis" which requires them to destroy the First Amendment and free speech, and completely censor the internet of all truth.

And the Tee Vee watching braindead dupes will buy it.

Steve Videtich said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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By the way, where are all the communist Leftist dupes who support this senile kid sniffer? Where are the posts defending this braindead puppet fake President?

Where are the posts defending shutting down oi and gas pipelines and production, in order to deliberately cause high fuel prices, in order to transition us away from fossil fuels because "we have to save the world from global warming"?

Maybe this guy didn't actually get "81 million votes" making him the "most popular president ever".

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It can't be defended. So we're left with current events to argue the evil of the right. More PR grenades to come in the next 6 months!

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The purpose of chaos is for those in power to rescue us from the chaos or provide solutions to the chaos. Each rescue or solution will strip us of just a bit more liberty and a bit more justice.

Werewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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By the way, where are all the communist Leftist dupes who support this senile kid sniffer? Where are the posts defending this braindead puppet fake President?

Where are the posts defending shutting down oi and gas pipelines and production, in order to deliberately cause high fuel prices, in order to transition us away from fossil fuels because "we have to save the world from global warming"?

Maybe this guy didn't actually get "81 million votes" making him the "most popular president ever".

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It can't be defended. So we're left with current events to argue the evil of the right. More PR grenades to come in the next 6 months!

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The purpose of chaos is for those in power to rescue us from the chaos or provide solutions to the chaos. Each rescue or solution will strip us of just a bit more liberty and a bit more justice.

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This fantasy of intentional chaos creation only works if you think that politicians and their motivations are completely misaligned with the public's.

People of all stripes respond to incentives, and one major incentive for politicians is to remain in power. Chaos and pain that voters hold them accountable for is badly misaligned with their typical intent to get reelected.

They risk either voters not forgiving them for getting them in a bad spot in the first place (even if they come up with a solution to help get them out), or even worse not being able to fix an intentionally created problem.

If we're speaking in broad generalities, peace and prosperity Is a much more sure-fire way to reelection than intentional chaos creation and then trying to swoop in and be the savior.

Civilized said:

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Werewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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By the way, where are all the communist Leftist dupes who support this senile kid sniffer? Where are the posts defending this braindead puppet fake President?

Where are the posts defending shutting down oi and gas pipelines and production, in order to deliberately cause high fuel prices, in order to transition us away from fossil fuels because "we have to save the world from global warming"?

Maybe this guy didn't actually get "81 million votes" making him the "most popular president ever".

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It can't be defended. So we're left with current events to argue the evil of the right. More PR grenades to come in the next 6 months!

---

The purpose of chaos is for those in power to rescue us from the chaos or provide solutions to the chaos. Each rescue or solution will strip us of just a bit more liberty and a bit more justice.

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This fantasy of intentional chaos creation only works if you think that politicians and their motivations are completely misaligned with the public's.

People of all stripes respond to incentives, and one major incentive for politicians is to remain in power. Chaos and pain that voters hold them accountable for is badly misaligned with their typical intent to get reelected.

They risk either voters not forgiving them for getting them in a bad spot in the first place (even if they come up with a solution to help get them out), or even worse not being able to fix an intentionally created problem.

If we're speaking in broad generalities, peace and prosperity Is a much more sure-fire way to reelection than intentional chaos creation and then trying to swoop in and be the savior.

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The "elections" are rigged. So the puppet politicians (and their masters) don't have to worry about engaging in outrageous levels of criminality, and having the "voters" kick them out of power.

And even if the "elections" themselves weren't rigged with "voting" and "counting" machines that have no accountability (no paper trail or audit), the elite control both major parties and will never allow a threat to their ONE-party rule system to emerge.

And, yes, the puppet politicians (and their "elite" masters) and their motivations are completely misaligned with the public. We are facing a ruling elite that are waging war against the masses. They seek to enslave us, and ultimately to commit mass genocide of the "useless eater" masses (which is what abortion, for instance, is designed to do).

The true fantasy land is one where you think that voting for these communist Leftist Demoncrat scum is actually making your life better -- while they fanatically work to destroy the 1st and 2nd Amendments, destroy our standard of living (eg, inflation, phase out fossil fuels), destroy our national sovereignty (eg, hand it over to the United Nations and WHO) and erase the border and LITERALLY destroy the nation and have us merged into a future "one world community" and government.