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Not that I don't disagree with you but isn't that what all politicians do?
that's kind of my point, the districts have been so distorted that all you're getting now is extreme right and left, and you're not getting real worked on legislation that is sound
Just not a sound argument! The constitution provides for certain powers at the Federal Government; so, what should be acceptable for a House member, regardless of how extreme they are?
let's take abortion for an example. I'm not for it except in certain rare conditions. A sound legislator would work on legislation that doesn't appease just their base, they would work to get to the halfway point. This all or nothing stuff, all it does is continue the issue for the purposes of fund raising. Do your job and solve the damn issue that 75% of America would most likely live with
Hokie, where in the constitution does the Federal Government have jurisdiction over any law regarding Abortion? Please don't be lazy and say: the federal government makes laws and rules without explicit jurisdiction all the time.
it doesn't, but I'd rather have a national law that ends this debate then the hodge podge of poorly written legislation in the states where dumb stuff like ectopic pregnancies aren't addressed.
Orinstead of a compromise in legislation you get dumb abortion law that doesn't even include the word "woman"
Hokie, taking what I thought about you, that statement is the complete antithesis.
I think you say you're from the conservative flank of the political spectrum. If so, Federalism is what you would want, right? The constitution is explicitly set up with Federalism as its structure. That would take this ruling, in the early 70's, as a bad ruling. So, this would push it back to the States to solve, regardless of how its own law is written.
Conservative, Inc, says things like you said. Conservatives do not!
I think a national law is the only conclusion into which making this issue moot. Therefore I'm all for that. Otherwise politicians will continue to make this a wedge issue.
So, you will throw away the constitution to make an issue moot?
last time I checked, the constitution allowed for congress to pass laws
Yes they can; however, what power, in the constitution, is given to congress for this jurisdiction?
Cary, for this specific issue, I just feel like this is the best way to get to a compromise that would be supported by an overwhelming amount of Americans and once and for all end this charade of outrage on this issue.
You are 100% correct, but what as I said above responding to Civ, you're seeing some really poor state legislation right now in response/preparation of the SC ruling
That is a scary statement by anyone, as far as I'm concerned. Remember, we will have an issue that does not have the constitutional power and made law, that you don't support. I have tried to be very consistent and call out my supporting issues to the states.
The beauty of this country is that Citizens in each state can change their legislatures to mold a bill the way they see fit. Taking your own opinion and applying it to California… they are working on and/or already have legislation to allow any abortion up to the day before birth. That is in counter to "your" federal legislation idea.
So, what do you do then? Fight California and the will of their people? Not a good idea!
All I'm pointing out here is that if you take away the two extreme sides of this issue, there is middle ground that would satisfy an overwhelming majority of Americans. The problem again, with State Legislation on this issue is that it has been rushed and poorly thought out and some of it is going to bring this issue up again through the courts.
So to me, the ONLY way to permanently get rid of this as a political issue is to provide a compromised solution in Congress.
Frankly I'm just tired of all of the shenanigans with Sc Justice fights and the haranguing of new state laws and how "draconian" they are. All you need to worry about is North Carolina or, is it, Virginia?
It's just childish behavior to create a wedge between all Americans for the purposes of filling campaign coffers. It's all theater. I want to eliminate the theater and move on. A federal compromised legislation seems like the only way to do it.
Hokie, here's the way I see your argument…
You are arguing the emotional side of this. Notice, I haven't stated an opinion on abortions; rather, on the jurisdiction of it. The argument that states have a mishmash of legislation is, in my opinion, not based on the rule of law (our constitution).
Sorry man, you're not basing your arguments soundly.
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