packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being someone that tries to explain why it's ok for mentally Ill men to shower with women against their wishes. civ, the pretindependent, is now in the radical left column. Sheer lunacy.

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No need to imagine. This became military policy over two years ago.

Although I'm sure it was framed to soldiers a hell of a lot more accurately than "you'll regularly be showering with mentally ill men."

What's been the result of the policy over the last two years?

There are 21 countries around the world that have allowed openly trans soldiers, dating back to 1974. Very likely their policies and procedures were studied prior to the DOD implementing these procedures back in 2021 to govern trans soldier logistics.

If there were evidence that these policies created a coercive, harmful, or abusive environment for female soldiers there's a fair likelihood the DOD would have gone in a different direction.

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Disagree. I don't think female soldiers have a voice in these policies. Biden and the military don't give a damn about biological women's rights.

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You don't think any female military brass weighed in?

Even if motivated by their own self-interests, you don't think the military policymakers (male or female) have an interest in retaining and attracting female soldiers, avoiding female soldier attrition, avoiding things that inhibit female soldier morale, and avoiding litigation from female soldiers, any or all of which could stem from bad or imprudent trans soldier policy negatively impacting cis female soldiers?

NM

Define "woman" Civ...

Your mouthing off and ignoring my posts.. .and we both know why you chicken **** lefty...

Just another coincidence? Or a HIT JOB on the Biden family?

#IRS #Whistleblower hunts #HunterBiden before joint #Congressional #Committees, felony class whistle blowing loud and clear. Fate loves irony. #Felony Tax Evasion #hookers #cocaine #pimps #trafficking #meth #crystal https://t.co/RDZgH8siLW

— Pat Jack (@Pat__Jack) July 19, 2023

That group of 129 would be a good start towards identification of House members not compromised in some way

And only 129 members of Congress want to know the plan. What a shame. pic.twitter.com/pG2Wzcw1Bd

— Warren Davidson 🇺🇸 (@WarrenDavidson) July 14, 2023

In case you thought this was a partisan investigation:
The unmasked IRS whistleblower, Mr. Ziegler , is a gay Democrat who was simply doing the right thing. No one should be above the law… even if you’re a Biden. 💡 pic.twitter.com/Vo6Lu4fSXT

— Anna Paulina Luna (@realannapaulina) July 19, 2023

......Joe who?.......a subtle intro.

My amendment to NDAA requiring a defined (and classified) strategy failed 129-301. Biden refuses to define a plan, and Congress refuses to hold him accountable for a plan while supplying an open checkbook. Sad. pic.twitter.com/JUNC3n9q5B

— Warren Davidson 🇺🇸 (@WarrenDavidson) July 17, 2023

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packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being someone that tries to explain why it's ok for mentally Ill men to shower with women against their wishes. civ, the pretindependent, is now in the radical left column. Sheer lunacy.

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No need to imagine. This became military policy over two years ago.

Although I'm sure it was framed to soldiers a hell of a lot more accurately than "you'll regularly be showering with mentally ill men."

What's been the result of the policy over the last two years?

There are 21 countries around the world that have allowed openly trans soldiers, dating back to 1974. Very likely their policies and procedures were studied prior to the DOD implementing these procedures back in 2021 to govern trans soldier logistics.

If there were evidence that these policies created a coercive, harmful, or abusive environment for female soldiers there's a fair likelihood the DOD would have gone in a different direction.

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Disagree. I don't think female soldiers have a voice in these policies. Biden and the military don't give a damn about biological women's rights.

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You don't think any female military brass weighed in?

Even if motivated by their own self-interests, you don't think the military policymakers (male or female) have an interest in retaining and attracting female soldiers, avoiding female soldier attrition, avoiding things that inhibit female soldier morale, and avoiding litigation from female soldiers, any or all of which could stem from bad or imprudent trans soldier policy negatively impacting cis female soldiers?

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No, I don't believe they care about impacts to biological women. The Biden administration definitely doesn't and I do believe it trickles down into the military ranks.

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I love how this hot take almost always comes from conservative men. Like you somehow know better than women who is looking out for women.

Biological women make up way over half of the Biden administration's voting base. They make up over half of their constituency. They are their wives, mothers, daughters.

Trans women make up a microscopic portion of their base and constituency, relatively speaking.

That hot take makes zero political or practical sense.

Women will tell us if the Biden administration isn't looking out for them.

If what you're saying is true then we'll see electoral consequences from the 60% of the Biden voting base that are cis women, right? I mean, if the administration's actions are such an affront to biological women, that will obviously show up at the polls, right?

We sure as hell saw the impact of Dobbs on the 2022 election when women felt like their rights were being tread upon. I'd expect that to happen again if that's how women are feeling about the Biden administration.

packofwolves said:

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Are you saying my take is due to me being a conservative man?

I could say your take is due to being a liberal man. And go a step further and say as a liberal man, you have no clue what biological women feel and think.

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You're right on all accounts.

And I'm not saying I know what women feel and think, I'm saying we can listen and watch how biological women vote in 2024. They'll tell us.

Biological women caused the right to significantly underperform projections in 2022 because they felt their interests weren't represented by Dobbs.

If they feel like the Biden administration is misrepresenting their interests, they'll show us at the polls in 2024.

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packofwolves said:

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being someone that tries to explain why it's ok for mentally Ill men to shower with women against their wishes. civ, the pretindependent, is now in the radical left column. Sheer lunacy.

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No need to imagine. This became military policy over two years ago.

Although I'm sure it was framed to soldiers a hell of a lot more accurately than "you'll regularly be showering with mentally ill men."

What's been the result of the policy over the last two years?

There are 21 countries around the world that have allowed openly trans soldiers, dating back to 1974. Very likely their policies and procedures were studied prior to the DOD implementing these procedures back in 2021 to govern trans soldier logistics.

If there were evidence that these policies created a coercive, harmful, or abusive environment for female soldiers there's a fair likelihood the DOD would have gone in a different direction.

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Disagree. I don't think female soldiers have a voice in these policies. Biden and the military don't give a damn about biological women's rights.

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You don't think any female military brass weighed in?

Even if motivated by their own self-interests, you don't think the military policymakers (male or female) have an interest in retaining and attracting female soldiers, avoiding female soldier attrition, avoiding things that inhibit female soldier morale, and avoiding litigation from female soldiers, any or all of which could stem from bad or imprudent trans soldier policy negatively impacting cis female soldiers?

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You think this administration handles anything ethically? Lol. What a sheep.

The IRS case agent who handled "95%" of the tax evidence in the Hunter Biden investigation told CBS News that he "felt handcuffed" during the five-year probe and blocked from pursuing leads that he thought might implicate President Biden. https://t.co/tqG2S44UTQ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) July 19, 2023

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civ supports canceling someone if they say a "bad word", as determined by his leftist overlords. But women need to toughen up when showering with mentally ill men.

"Grab her by the *****"

P e n i s in the women's locker room.

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Thank you for proving my point.

The right has gotten so twisted that they think the ex-President laughingly describing a sex assault is in the same universe as a trans woman soldier taking a bath.

Y'all are something else.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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civ supports canceling someone if they say a "bad word", as determined by his leftist overlords. But women need to toughen up when showering with mentally ill men.

"Grab her by the *****"

P e n i s in the women's locker room.

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Thank you for proving my point.

The right has gotten so twisted that they think the ex-President laughingly describing a sex assault is in the same universe as a trans woman soldier taking a bath.

Y'all are something else.

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And the left has gotten so creepy they redefined men and women, made up minorities, want men with mental illnesses showering with women and girls, and celebrate mental illness. Thanks for proving my point that you're a radical leftist.

Civilized said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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Imagine being someone that tries to explain why it's ok for mentally Ill men to shower with women against their wishes. civ, the pretindependent, is now in the radical left column. Sheer lunacy.

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No need to imagine. This became military policy over two years ago.

Although I'm sure it was framed to soldiers a hell of a lot more accurately than "you'll regularly be showering with mentally ill men."

What's been the result of the policy over the last two years?

There are 21 countries around the world that have allowed openly trans soldiers, dating back to 1974. Very likely their policies and procedures were studied prior to the DOD implementing these procedures back in 2021 to govern trans soldier logistics.

If there were evidence that these policies created a coercive, harmful, or abusive environment for female soldiers there's a fair likelihood the DOD would have gone in a different direction.

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Disagree. I don't think female soldiers have a voice in these policies. Biden and the military don't give a damn about biological women's rights.

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You don't think any female military brass weighed in?

Even if motivated by their own self-interests, you don't think the military policymakers (male or female) have an interest in retaining and attracting female soldiers, avoiding female soldier attrition, avoiding things that inhibit female soldier morale, and avoiding litigation from female soldiers, any or all of which could stem from bad or imprudent trans soldier policy negatively impacting cis female soldiers?

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No, I don't believe they care about impacts to biological women. The Biden administration definitely doesn't and I do believe it trickles down into the military ranks.

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I love how this hot take almost always comes from conservative men. Like you somehow know better than women who is looking out for women.

Biological women make up way over half of the Biden administration's voting base. They make up over half of their constituency. They are their wives, mothers, daughters.

Trans women make up a microscopic portion of their base and constituency, relatively speaking.

That hot take makes zero political or practical sense.

Women will tell us if the Biden administration isn't looking out for them.

If what you're saying is true then we'll see electoral consequences from the 60% of the Biden voting base that are cis women, right? I mean, if the administration's actions are such an affront to biological women, that will obviously show up at the polls, right?

We sure as hell saw the impact of Dobbs on the 2022 election when women felt like their rights were being tread upon. I'd expect that to happen again if that's how women are feeling about the Biden administration.

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Define a woman Civ....

Why won't you answer that??? You are something else.. damn shame you don't post over on the lefty PP site... you'd fit in better over there with "like minded non-gender"conforming unc-cheat wannabes.

packofwolves said:

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Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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civ supports canceling someone if they say a "bad word", as determined by his leftist overlords. But women need to toughen up when showering with mentally ill men.

"Grab her by the *****"

P e n i s in the women's locker room.

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Thank you for proving my point.

The right has gotten so twisted that they think the ex-President laughingly describing a sex assault is in the same universe as a trans woman soldier taking a bath.

Y'all are something else.

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I don't view transgenders as mentally ill, not at all. I believe they should be able to live their lives as they choose. But the rights of others such as biological women should not be impacted. Don't lump all conservatives in the same bucket.

Civ you also dismiss the issues facing biological women as trivial. Just sit back, shut up and take it ladies, you don't need your safe spaces nor your rights. It's ok if you have to shower naked next to biological males because it's no big deal. Don't speak out about it or you will be berated by liberals, liberal media and labeled a racist.

And a word of advice Civ, don't assume you know everything about those you debate.

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I never said or implied they were trivial.

If I'm saying anything, it's that they're complicated.

I've already said I think transgender women should not be able to compete against biological women in higher-level sports. That's an issue.

Regarding the military showers, this anonymous recruit that complained joined a military that already had these policies in place. She is the only case we've heard of, likely because troops and their CO's quietly figure out workarounds. Commanders have discretion to address privacy needs and concerns of their troops, and I imagine many do in the case of trans female soldiers and it ends up being a non-issue.

Thousands of trans women have been serving since 2014 in the US. Tens of thousands from many of our NATO allies and other countries around the world have been serving for decades. Dating back to 2014 the Pentagon began meeting with allies that allowed transgender soldiers to serve to see what policies they had regarding transgender service, and how those policies worked in practice. I'm confident the issue of showers came up.

Listening to people on here you'd think that the kid-sniffer was the only world leader that supported such policies. The Pentagon and countries around the world that allow trans soldiers have studied this extensively and found that doing so does not impair morale or combat readiness.

Do the administrations in the 23 other countries that allow trans troops to serve not care about women either? Do they think women's rights are trivial?

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And they are second or third rate militaries…..as ours has become. I've soldiered from long before "don't ask, don't tell" episode and what we call a military today is unrecognizable from what the US Military was in the 20th century. Homosexuals were excluded from the ranks because their presence was considered prejudicial to good order and conduct and with good reason. The latter isn't considered important these days and it shows.

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Thank you for your service.

What militaries do you consider to be first rate militaries?

Civilized said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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And they are second or third rate militaries…..as ours has become. I've soldiered from long before "don't ask, don't tell" episode and what we call a military today is unrecognizable from what the US Military was in the 20th century. Homosexuals were excluded from the ranks because their presence was considered prejudicial to good order and conduct and with good reason. The latter isn't considered important these days and it shows.

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Thank you for your service.

What militaries do you consider to be first rate militaries?

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Define a woman Civ.... I see you are dodging the question again.

I guess you are too busy booking trips to see drag queens to answer.

You are pathetic.

Werewolf said:

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Truth or Fiction?

Two sons of US Presidents, only one had his bedroom raided by the FBI. #FJB 🖕🖕🖕 pic.twitter.com/bW9WNOb4BO

— Mary (@worthacomment) July 12, 2023

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Interesting that they skipped over cokehead Don Jr and went with Barron instead.....

See no evil means that I don't have to read no evil.

I love it!